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Can I ask a question?

Why does KDR matter in siege?

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damage control all you want... No one but iconic is going to look at that scoreboard and see anything but shitters being carried.

 the ultimate irony here is that the iconic players who claim they aren't fodder are posting on alt accounts... Let's see who you actually are on the scoreboard.  Wait, paladin told you guys to stay off the forums didn't he.. : thinking:

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Do you have any recent links from Gravity siege scores when FML was in your guild?  Wasn't the same polar opposite true of FML being many of the top 20 in Gravity's total K/D?  If that was the case, why are you bashing the heck out of the people who joined your team when your team was performing like Iconic before FML left and basically forced Gravity's ultimate death? 

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Maybe you really are just that dumb. 

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Can I ask a question?

Why does KDR matter in siege?

Exactly what I wanted to ask these Gravity players who seem to know it all and be gods of War in BDO :) it matters some but not be all end all as said before.

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So I don't know how to play BDO?  I wonder how bad that makes people below me then in your eyes, guess you think nobody but you knows how to play BDO - altho you know it so well you didn't even need to participate eh. :D (and I fully know you don't mean just me, but I am included in the 'you' you're talking about) 

 

I am actually surprised you even resorted posting scores.. this Siege definetly but thanks I guess even tho I hate to toot my horn. :$

BRO you literally asked me to post them because you implied I was hiding something... Smh dude I can't even believe this is a real conversation with an actual human being.

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BRO you literally asked me to post them because you implied I was hiding something... Smh dude I can't even believe this is a real conversation with an actual human being.

It was your choice to start showing scores and what your scoreboard pics showed was nice progression for iconic players there and personal progress for myself I am too abashed to mention except to say shame on you for posting our private scores to public and still losing your end of the argument.

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All this fighting over a dead guild

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guys, im better. stop arguing over me please

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Tbh, with all the bragging/arguing going on about who performed better based on top kills (which is irrelevant/silly in an objective based pvp scenario), both gravity and iconic had pretty shit k/d ratios overall. 

Also, I don't think anyone really views siege guilds as "pvp" guilds. 

Anyhow, y'all keep bickering. At the end of the day you lost as a team, it happens, there's no shame in losing. How you react to the loss is another matter entirely...

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Tbh, with all the bragging/arguing going on about who performed better based on top kills (which is irrelevant/silly in an objective based pvp scenario), both gravity and iconic had pretty shit k/d ratios overall. 

Also, I don't think anyone really views siege guilds as "pvp" guilds. 

Anyhow, y'all keep bickering. At the end of the day you lost as a team, it happens, there's no shame in losing. How you react to the loss is another matter entirely...

There is only one side that is overtly concerned about kills or k/d ratios.. and how that side reacted to the loss was to pull out the merger and go ride in the coattails of ManUp. Also being a "Siege guild" does not exclude one from doing Node Wars.. if that is your definition of "pvp" guild.. for me they're equally true "pvp" guilds.. difference being Siege guild takes part in ALL pvp warring to be had (with secondary guild to Node War while they have a region). 

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Tbh, with all the bragging/arguing going on about who performed better based on top kills (which is irrelevant/silly in an objective based pvp scenario), both gravity and iconic had pretty shit k/d ratios overall. 

Also, I don't think anyone really views siege guilds as "pvp" guilds. 

Anyhow, y'all keep bickering. At the end of the day you lost as a team, it happens, there's no shame in losing. How you react to the loss is another matter entirely...

You are right, taking siege scores and attendance over a period of time and monitoring them to gain an overall perspective on how player(s) are performing compared to their peers while accounting for gear and other static criteria is silly/irrelevant.  Man what happened to the competitive nature that used to exist at the outset of this game.. what happened to the glory days of EDAN?  What metrics do you suggest guilds use to monitor player performance.. personality/honor/kindness/integrity?  Oh wait.. ORWEN.. nvm.

 

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You are right, taking siege scores and attendance over a period of time and monitoring them to gain an overall perspective on how player(s) are performing compared to their peers while accounting for gear and other static criteria is silly/irrelevant.  Man what happened to the competitive nature that used to exist at the outset of this game.. what happened to the glory days of EDAN?  What metrics do you suggest guilds use to monitor player performance.. personality/honor/kindness/integrity?  Oh wait.. ORWEN.. nvm.

 

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cika dude you're getting blasted in here, just quit already lol, and are you seriously making fun of arke? I am pretty sure he is a better player than you and he is from the RP server :^)

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@Arke    

#Worth

(inside joke)

;)

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cika dude you're getting blasted in here, just quit already lol, and are you seriously making fun of arke? I am pretty sure he is a better player than you and he is from the RP server :^)

What I know about Arke

Player from a hyped siege guild on orwen whom, once servers merged, lost and left his guild to do node wars against undergeared C tier players.  This player claims siege scores are a poor metric for basing membership worth in a competitive environment.  I would love to hear what he criteria he thinks players should be evaluated on.

You think the iconic circle jerk phases me?

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Arke, a player from a hyped siege guild on orwen whom, once servers merged, lost and left his guild to do node wars against undergeared C tier players.  You think the iconic circle jerk phases me?

I mean I don't know about any of that, I don't really care what guild arke or you are/were in, I am just saying that, as far as I have experienced he is a better player

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You are right, taking siege scores and attendance over a period of time and monitoring them to gain an overall perspective on how player(s) are performing compared to their peers while accounting for gear and other static criteria is silly/irrelevant.  Man what happened to the competitive nature that used to exist at the outset of this game.. what happened to the glory days of EDAN?  What metrics do you suggest guilds use to monitor player performance.. personality/honor/kindness/integrity?  Oh wait.. ORWEN.. nvm.

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you also state that both of those scores were taken from the "1st Node war" and the "1st Siege"? How is that "taking siege scores and attendance over a period of time and monitoring them to gain an overall perspective on how player(s) are performing compared to their peers while accounting for gear and other static criteria.". If they were the first sample then you  have little to no comparisons and therefore it sounds as though some people jumped to conclusions/action too quickly..

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you also state that both of those scores were taken from the "1st Node war" and the "1st Siege"? How is that "taking siege scores and attendance over a period of time and monitoring them to gain an overall perspective on how player(s) are performing compared to their peers while accounting for gear and other static criteria.". If they were the first sample then you  have little to no comparisons and therefore it sounds as though some people jumped to conclusions/action too quickly..

For evaluating new recruits a system as described above would be used, I was simply stating how it is not silly or irrelevant to use siege scores as a metric.  This scenario was not a "new recruit" scenario.  The iconic players were hand chosen players for this merger, these are players of the best siege guild on orwen.  Now when using this as a baseline and knowing their gear one can look at players of the same class and gear and look at their performances to gleam information.  The information from the scores was so staggering that all of our members decided it wasn't going to work at the same time.

A new recruit you monitor over time to see if they are improving...are you telling me players from Iconic need to be subjected to constant monitoring over time to see if they improve?  The game has been out a year... and these are players from the #1 guild on an entire server who have held multiple regions at the same time... should we have held class workshops?  You aren't understand the competitive mentality of our players, we weren't going into this merger expecting to have to teach 40 players how to play their characters.. this is why we left and for some reason people have a real hard time understanding this.

When things do not live up to expectations people are unhappy.  Gravity's expectations for the merger were unsatisfied so they left.  Iconic was not up to to gravity's standards... gravity did not go into this merger expecting a fixer-up job it was envisioned as a merger of two strong siege guilds who were on their last leg.   You may disagree but this is the reality of it.

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For evaluating new recruits a system as described above would be used, I was simply stating how it is not silly or irrelevant to use siege scores as a metric.  This scenario was not a "new recruit" scenario.  The iconic players were hand chosen players for this merger, these are players of the best siege guild on orwen.  Now when using this as a baseline and knowing their gear one can look at players of the same class and gear and look at their performances to gleam information.  The information from the scores was so staggering that all of our members decided it wasn't going to work at the same time.

A new recruit you monitor over time to see if they are improving...are you telling me players from Iconic need to be subjected to constant monitoring over time to see if they improve?  The game has been out a year... and these are players from the #1 guild on an entire server who have held multiple regions at the same time... should we have held class workshops?  You aren't understand the competitive mentality of our players, we weren't going into this merger expecting to have to teach 40 players how to play their characters.. this is why we left and for some reason people have a real hard time understanding this.

When things do not live up to expectations people are unhappy.  Gravity's expectations for the merger were unsatisfied so they left.  Iconic was not up to to gravity's standards... gravity did not go into this merger expecting a fixer-up job it was envisioned as a merger of two strong siege guilds who were on their last leg.   You may disagree but this is the reality of it.

This is why people don't like seige guilds.  You don't want to fight and get better, you want shit easy all the time.  

 

Good luck Iconic on the rebuild guys. 

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For evaluating new recruits a system as described above would be used, I was simply stating how it is not silly or irrelevant to use siege scores as a metric.  This scenario was not a "new recruit" scenario.  The iconic players were hand chosen players for this merger, these are players of the best siege guild on orwen.  Now when using this as a baseline and knowing their gear one can look at players of the same class and gear and look at their performances to gleam information.  The information from the scores was so staggering that all of our members decided it wasn't going to work at the same time.

A new recruit you monitor over time to see if they are improving...are you telling me players from Iconic need to be subjected to constant monitoring over time to see if they improve?  The game has been out a year... and these are players from the #1 guild on an entire server who have held multiple regions at the same time... should we have held class workshops?  You aren't understand the competitive mentality of our players, we weren't going into this merger expecting to have to teach 40 players how to play their characters.. this is why we left and for some reason people have a real hard time understanding this.

When things do not live up to expectations people are unhappy.  Gravity's expectations for the merger were unsatisfied so they left.  Iconic was not up to to gravity's standards... gravity did not go into this merger expecting a fixer-up job it was envisioned as a merger of two strong siege guilds who were on their last leg.   You may disagree but this is the reality of it.

Not sure whats more dumb, arguing kda metrics after 1 week, or gravity thinking iconic had strong players left 

Gravity so competitive they called it quits and joined man up

Kevin Durant dat u?

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I can understand your dissatisfaction given the expectations, and no one can really change what's already been done so there really isn't a point to this "Debate" I just feel most people have the opinion of "Give things time to get good before pulling out" I mean it's pretty hard to expect complete synergy on 2 runs when you have two different minds coming together, but again... it's kinda pointless to argue what's already done.

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I mean I don't know about any of that, I don't really care what guild arke or you are/were in, I am just saying that, as far as I have experienced he is a better player

how's his ----- taste tho

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how's his ----- taste tho

10/10

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^Cold

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that's cool and all but you guys aren't even getting blasted by anyone from iconic on the forums right now, I think, what's the point? this thread is basically two dead guilds arguing over nothing, all this screenshot does is let everyone know that the valencian sun god is gonna make gravity's core leave another guild they merge into, n i c e d a m a g e c o n t r o l

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