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Maehwa (Lethal Skills) Uncut Duels VS Sorc (SeyMyname) @1440p


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By now I have had a lot of practice fighting sorcs. SeyMyName is one of the most challenging sorcs I have fought, and the first sorc I've made a video fighting, when I am no longer learning the match-up. Sey runs a high evasion hard hitting build that compliments an aggressive playstyle. I haven't been lucky enough to make any gains in the last 2 months, so I am still 220AP with Kutum offhand.

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Post the one where I'm in it! Wandering aimlessly in the arena watching!

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Great stuff as always Lethal. Is Drill > Bloom > Moonrise > Pillar > Iceberg always your go to? or is that just what works best against Sorc?

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He's just using it as an initator. 

Throughout the whole video he attempts to utilize almost all his kit to initate:

- Stigma

- Royal Rage

- Petal Bloom

- Petal Drill

- December

- Oppression

It just happens that the best possible combo after is moonrise into Frost pillars/tip. 

Good stuff Lethal. Come fight Gyenn now.

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He's just using it as an initator. 

Throughout the whole video he attempts to utilize almost all his kit to initate:

- Stigma

- Royal Rage

- Petal Bloom

- Petal Drill

- December

- Oppression

It just happens that the best possible combo after is moonrise into Frost pillars/tip. 

Good stuff Lethal. Come fight Gyenn now.

Thanks

 

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The damage seems low on both of you. Are you guys using evasion offhands? (Not trolling)

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Why not use cloud stab when you are low hp to regen hp when you knock the soc down? Seems like she has a lot of evasion/dp so the usual bread and butter Frost pillar -> Tip of Iceberg wouldn't have done enough to kill her.

If you use ur w+lmb to float you usually won't have time to use your combo and follow up with a  petal bloom at the end. There were instances where she was low enough for you to finish her off with a tenacious -> New year's eve which is faster than Petal bloom and does decent damage. She rolled out of your petal bloom several times.

Just some suggestions c:

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Why not use cloud stab when you are low hp to regen hp when you knock the soc down? Seems like she has a lot of evasion/dp so the usual bread and butter Frost pillar -> Tip of Iceberg wouldn't have done enough to kill her.

If you use ur w+lmb to float you usually won't have time to use your combo and follow up with a  petal bloom at the end. There were instances where she was low enough for you to finish her off with a tenacious -> New year's eve which is faster than Petal bloom and does decent damage. She rolled out of your petal bloom several times.

Just some suggestions c:

tenacious-> New Year's could leave me in a bad place should the sorc rolled to my back during the animation that is not going CC I target that is knocked over. So even if the sorc takes some extra damage she can still counter me and kill me for being greedy. However, if I land the Pedal Bloom on a knocked down target then the enemy is cc'd further through down damage and I follow with the flow that is super armor immediately after, which allows me to move away or follow the direction my target rolled to. 

Have to understand these are not no pot duels where I can rely on finishing a target off based on current health or using skills to generate a few extra hundred health. These duels were against, HP Pots, Villa buffs, and a very tanky, high damage sorc. If I allow myself to get countered and hit in the back I mine as well cancel Christmas. I don't plan for every Petal Bloom to land, I am keeping pressure on my target and forcing him to move or die.

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tenacious-> New Year's could leave me in a bad place should the sorc rolled to my back during the animation that is not going CC I target that is knocked over. So even if the sorc takes some extra damage she can still counter me and kill me for being greedy. However, if I land the Pedal Bloom on a knocked down target then the enemy is cc'd further through down damage and I follow with the flow that is super armor immediately after, which allows me to move away or follow the direction my target rolled to. 

Have to understand these are not no pot duels where I can rely on finishing a target off based on current health or using skills to generate a few extra hundred health. These duels were against, HP Pots, Villa buffs, and a very tanky, high damage sorc. If I allow myself to get countered and hit in the back I mine as well cancel Christmas. I don't plan for every Petal Bloom to land, I am keeping pressure on my target and forcing him to move or die.

If you cancel your tenacious edge right into your New Year's she will not have even completed her rolling animation (no point using the whole animation of Tenacious edge ofc). Basically before you even do more than 2 stabs use new year's eve to cancel the rest. It takes less than a second and you can immediately chase into your SA, this will also prevent people from being able to just spam grab once they get up, since the distance you cover to get away with chase is much greater than lunar dash especially since the range of lunar dash has been nerfed.

Well my advice was not to just stop using petal bloom all together. If they are low enough health it's better to go for the finish of Tenacious+new year's eve rather than using petal bloom and not killing them which can give them a chance to counter attack. Just a suggestion not enforcing anything on u c:

It's ok to use lunar dash from petal bloom sometimes since it's SA, but if your opponent has a grab and they just rolled it can put you in a very awkward and easy position to be grabbed since you are quite vulnerable to grabs.

Wait Christmas? u mean December?

Yes I can see it's not no pot duels and you are running all the buffs, that's why you should consider using Cloud stab. It does decent damage and being able to regen hp means you will be able to put a lot of pressure on the enemy as they are potting.

NOTE: I'm not trying to discredit your skills or judgements just discussion will help everyone get better so why not c:

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If you cancel your tenacious edge right into your New Year's she will not have even completed her rolling animation (no point using the whole animation of Tenacious edge ofc). Basically before you even do more than 2 stabs use new year's eve to cancel the rest. It takes less than a second and you can immediately chase into your SA, this will also prevent people from being able to just spam grab once they get up, since the distance you cover to get away with chase is much greater than lunar dash especially since the range of lunar dash has been nerfed.

Well my advice was not to just stop using petal bloom all together. If they are low enough health it's better to go for the finish of Tenacious+new year's eve rather than using petal bloom and not killing them which can give them a chance to counter attack. Just a suggestion not enforcing anything on u c:

It's ok to use lunar dash from petal bloom sometimes since it's SA, but if your opponent has a grab and they just rolled it can put you in a very awkward and easy position to be grabbed since you are quite vulnerable to grabs.

Wait Christmas? u mean December?

Yes I can see it's not no pot duels and you are running all the buffs, that's why you should consider using Cloud stab. It does decent damage and being able to regen hp means you will be able to put a lot of pressure on the enemy as they are potting.

NOTE: I'm not trying to discredit your skills or judgements just discussion will help everyone get better so why not c:

I am always game to discuss strategy.

"Cancel Christmas" is a phrase , not a skill ha.

From my experience the flow from Petal never left me vulnerable against sorcs which is why I use it as a stam free super armor get away for people dodging petalD or follow up depending on if I trying to follow where my target rolls.

Sorcs don't have grabs.

I can see adding the tenacious/NY cancel working to finish off a low health opponent and I can also see myself getting countered for the attempt. Risk versus reward kind of situation. However, I am overdue on the combo video guide some friends have asked me to make. I'll try this on a an opponent that is actively trying to get away/counter me and if it works I will include it in the video.

 

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I am always game to discuss strategy.

"Cancel Christmas" is a phrase , not a skill ha.

From my experience the flow from Petal never left me vulnerable against sorcs which is why I use it as a stam free super armor get away for people dodging petalD or follow up depending on if I trying to follow where my target rolls.

Sorcs don't have grabs.

I can see adding the tenacious/NY cancel working to finish off a low health opponent and I can also see myself getting countered for the attempt. Risk versus reward kind of situation. However, I am overdue on the combo video guide some friends have asked me to make. I'll try this on a an opponent that is actively trying to get away/counter me and if it works I will include it in the video.

 

very excited about that video

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