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PLZ introduce an auction system and let players outbid each other instead of retarded RNG BS. Or fix the price setting(just raise the upper limit price you can set) it's absurd to have a communist economy even in a MMORPG these days.

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let players outbid each other 

So a system that treats EVERY player fairly not matter how much silver they have is broken, but a system that rewards the players with the most silver only isn't broken? Darwin would be turning in his grave...

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RNG is the ultimate unfairness. What's the point of grinding for silver if the system doesn't reward you for having more silver than others? 

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RNG is the ultimate unfairness. What's the point of grinding for silver if the system doesn't reward you for having more silver than others? 

Oh but it does. Just pre-order the item. If it's a boss item try night vendor. Or you know be patient. 

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But pre-order and night vendor are both f00king RNG lol. For pre-order you only get 10-20% chance of landing the item even when you are the highest bidder, plus you have to wait for a long time for the some1 to actually post the sh1t.

There's no way of avoiding RNG in this retarded Korean gambling addict system. Money buys everything in the real world(well, practically everything) so why should BDO be any different? Just let NPCs sell everything at market price.

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But pre-order and night vendor are both f00king RNG lol. For pre-order you only get 10-20% chance of landing the item even when you are the highest bidder, plus you have to wait for a long time for the some1 to actually post the sh1t.

There's no way of avoiding RNG in this retarded Korean gambling addict system. Money buys everything in the real world(well, practically everything) so why should BDO be any different? Just let NPCs sell everything at market price.

You are basically complaining that end game items are hard to get. If npc's would sell everything at market price then why have a marketplace? Why have life-skills if there is no marketplace? Oh also the items you drop while grinding, what is the point of them if you can just buy them from a vendor? If you can buy boss items from now reliably you can  just remove world bosses. To sum it up: if you let everyone buy everything even end game items at npc's you can just scrap the whole game and the same is the case if there were no market place restrictions. Trust me you do NOT want to play an MMO where the richest person can outbid everyone. 

 

The rng bid system is as fair as it can be because it gives everyone the same chance while you are also still able to throw more money at the screen per pre-order. Seriously if you have a high enough pre-order you will get the item very fast even boss items except dande maybe. Again you saying that it can take a while for boss items to be listed is basically complaining that best in slot items are hard to get which is retarded. They should be hard to get instead of every jock being able to buy them from an npc because their lose their special unique feeling otherwise. Can this system be frustrating? Sure. Are others less frustrating? Nope, surprise buddy you won't get everything handed on a silver plater in life. 

 

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There is abusolutely no meaning of having a market system cuz we cannot trade with each other and the price are fixed. No I'm not complaining the end game items are hard to get they are fine but I'm complaining that you should be able to buy at market price if you are only allowed to sell it at market price. Everything should go both ways, not just one way around.

 

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There is abusolutely no meaning of having a market system cuz we cannot trade with each other and the price are fixed. No I'm not complaining the end game items are hard to get they are fine but I'm complaining that you should be able to buy at market price if you are only allowed to sell it at market price. Everything should go both ways, not just one way around.

 

That... That just made like actually no sense at all. We have no trade system... So we don't need a marketplace so that there is actually NO WAY of transferring items between players? Who would want to play a MMO without a marketplace? As I said in my previous comment it would make half the systems and mechanics in the game useless if not more. 

 

And you still don't get it. The reason why items have a maximum price is to protect the buyer, that is the ONLY reason, so that everyone can have a shot at getting boss armor from the market and not just people who can cash out 3 billion. And so that people don't get stupidly rich off rng dropping the items and selling them. It's also there to not devalue certain items and force you to get them yourselves. Like for example if you could set the price infinitely high, logs and rough stones would be sky high. But then everyone would go get them to make money and the market gets inflated while there is less demand and we are back to 0 if not worse. Oh and since you seem to ignore the arguments I make once more: you can just put up a high enough pre order and you will get your item soon enough. I see at least one boss item get sold through pre order a day so even you should be patient enough for that. 

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1. We cannot trade item with each other

2. We cannot determine the price of item, system tells you how much your sh1t is worth, and there is no way you can change that

Then I don't see a point of benefit that we should be running a market. If you want to sell something and the price is fixed just click on NPC boom sold, if you want to buy something and the price is fixed buy it off an NPC. Why waste your time buying and selling I'd rather use that time to do something meaningful like grinding.

And as for your argument that the maximum price setting is protecting the buyers, it's not really correct, yes it is protecting the buyers, but at the cost of the SELLERs. If there's no seller then there's no buyer. The reason a market exist in real world is because it is a compromise that benefits both sellers and buyers, if the market in BDO only benefits the buyer and not the seller then it's BROKEN.

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Regulated markets are the best markets.

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So a system that treats EVERY player fairly not matter how much silver they have is broken, but a system that rewards the players with the most silver only isn't broken? Darwin would be turning in his grave...

How would the theory of evolution and survival of the fittest pertain to every player fairly getting a chance? o.O

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1. We cannot trade item with each other

2. We cannot determine the price of item, system tells you how much your sh1t is worth, and there is no way you can change that

Then I don't see a point of benefit that we should be running a market. If you want to sell something and the price is fixed just click on NPC boom sold, if you want to buy something and the price is fixed buy it off an NPC. Why waste your time buying and selling I'd rather use that time to do something meaningful like grinding.

And as for your argument that the maximum price setting is protecting the buyers, it's not really correct, yes it is protecting the buyers, but at the cost of the SELLERs. If there's no seller then there's no buyer. The reason a market exist in real world is because it is a compromise that benefits both sellers and buyers, if the market in BDO only benefits the buyer and not the seller then it's BROKEN.

how does it not benefit the buyer? most of the people who can afford the boss gear got there money from selling stuff on the ah

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For example I have a TET dande greatsword, I want to reroll to witch so I want to sell my TET dande so I can buy another TET dande, does that work? Well no cuz you only get around 800-900 million of silver if u sell ur TET dande, but the price to pre-order another TET dande is easily over 2 billion.(besides you have to wait for weeks if not for months)

You see my point? The game's not fair at all, it doesn't benefit the sellers, so most ppl just save up their sh1t even if they have no use of it, because selling it on market doesn't benefit them at all.

What we need is either an auction system where the highest bidder wins and the seller gets the full sold price, or buy/sell everything with NPCs since a market is not a market if you can't even set your own price.

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For example I have a TET dande greatsword, I want to reroll to witch so I want to sell my TET dande so I can buy another TET dande, does that work? Well no cuz you only get around 800-900 million of silver if u sell ur TET dande, but the price to pre-order another TET dande is easily over 2 billion.(besides you have to wait for weeks if not for months)

You see my point? The game's not fair at all, it doesn't benefit the sellers, so most ppl just save up their sh1t even if they have no use of it, because selling it on market doesn't benefit them at all.

What we need is either an auction system where the highest bidder wins and the seller gets the full sold price, or buy/sell everything with NPCs since a market is not a market if you can't even set your own price.

that sounds like the buyer getting ripped off not the seller, and the reason why so much gold gets deleted is to counter inflation of every mob just giving you thousands of silver

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No it's the sellers that are getting ripped off. There are ppl who would pay 2billion for my TET dande, but my dande only sells for 900million due to retarded cap price and tax. If I sell my TET dande for 900million I would need 2billion or possible far more than that to buy it back. Do you think this sh1t system is justifiable?

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No it's the sellers that are getting ripped off. There are ppl who would pay 2billion for my TET dande, but my dande only sells for 900million due to retarded cap price and tax. If I sell my TET dande for 900million I would need 2billion or possible far more than that to buy it back. Do you think this sh1t system is justifiable?

im just gonna assume you dropped out of high school and not reply to this thready anymore. It is clear you dont understand the english language or basic logic

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Sorry dude but I have a master degree in engineering. Yeah my English is not very good it's not my first language so forgive me for that.

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So a system that treats EVERY player fairly not matter how much silver they have is broken, but a system that rewards the players with the most silver only isn't broken? Darwin would be turning in his grave...

What? Why would Darwin of all people turn in his grave? Try a little harder next time?

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Sounds like this guy is mad because he actually has to earn his gear himself 

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Just pretend this is a single player console game, oh wait, you dont have to pretend.

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OP same as you I was upset when I first start playing BDO & saw for the first time ever although I play MMORPGs for over 15 years the online market to have fixed MIN/MAX prices, I wasn't used to that & it seem very weird to me because I was certain at that time that it will harm me & this will lead to me loosing money from selling stuff I earn either via crafting or some rare drop during grinding, the previous game I had play before BDO was ArcheAge & while playing this game I saw what whales can do to the market & how they are able to manipulate everything to their own advantage, they were able for example to buy whole batches of one single item that had great demand at the time & literally dry the market of it & then resell them little by little but with much increased price & very few people was able to pay that amount of money & everyone else was excluded as it was impossible for them to keep up with whales & heavy grinders who ofc had the most money, so although I was against it in the start now I understand how right they were for doing that as it keep a must needed balance in the game between whales/hardcore grinders & everyone else, an MMORPG need this kind of balance because that way more people can reach a competitive level & participate in the various PvP activities the game have, else the game will be fun for just a few hundreds hardcore players & everyone else who can't keep up will get bored fast & give up & that won't be good for the game don't you think? I suggest you to accept it for the greater good as I did & move on.

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Regulated markets are the best markets.

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Lol dude are you trolling or something?

This game doesn't have much content in it especially when it's about gear and stuff, so everything upgradable is very valuable.

You want Yuria? Easy cheap stuff there you go. What's better than Yuria? A liverto, yeah grind for a bit got one no problem. Then? Zarka, holy crap isn't that expensive, yes it is but what's better than that thing? None.

Since you used real life examples, let's apply this into the real world. You want a bike, go get one at Walmart. Want a Mustang? Gotta work for it but it's not impossible. What about a 5 million Koenigsegg CCXR Trevita? dude you can't buy that sh1t from Walmart or Ford dealership 15 miles away from your home.

If everyone gets the bis from vendor npcs, trust me you won't be happy either, because you'll have that 250AP 330DP but no where to show off.

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Sounds like this guy is mad because he actually has to earn his gear himself 

Because I don't want to deal with cancerous gambling BS so I want to buy everything is that too much to ask for? I still have to grind and work hard to earn my silvers. Anything that has no RNG is good for me.

Lol dude are you trolling or something?

This game doesn't have much content in it especially when it's about gear and stuff, so everything upgradable is very valuable.

You want Yuria? Easy cheap stuff there you go. What's better than Yuria? A liverto, yeah grind for a bit got one no problem. Then? Zarka, holy crap isn't that expensive, yes it is but what's better than that thing? None.

Since you used real life examples, let's apply this into the real world. You want a bike, go get one at Walmart. Want a Mustang? Gotta work for it but it's not impossible. What about a 5 million Koenigsegg CCXR Trevita? dude you can't buy that sh1t from Walmart or Ford dealership 15 miles away from your home.

If everyone gets the bis from vendor npcs, trust me you won't be happy either, because you'll have that 250AP 330DP but no where to show off.

No with how much money I have I would be more like 270AP lol. And most ppl are still 230AP or less. I'm already over 240AP closing on 250.

You can only earn so much silver per month, 3 billion if you what ur doin and plays efficiently, most ppl don't even earn 1 billion per month.

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This way of using the market isnt the most fun, but it has to be like like this. 

If people can decide their own prices or you just get the highest bid, this game will be done within 6 months. 

Why do you think prices is in the real world are regulated. 

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