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I know there are boundaries, especially for boss stuff and stuff like the ogre ring, but the prices have quite the range to fluctuate in. The OP made it sound like prices never fluctuate, which isn't true. Sure there's an absolute cap to make sure stuff doesn't get unaffordable for people who don't grind 12 hours a day. The ogre ring is an example of that. But like I said, stuff like memory fragments got 10 times more expensive over time (which also means they can get 10 times more cheap again). I'm pretty sure the price of the ogre ring could drop significantly if everyone decided to sell it for minimum price instead of max price. But why would you? If it sells for max price, go for max price. This is how ogre ring and other OP gear reached its (ridiculously high) cap. So yeah you are right I neglected to take into account the aboslute minimums and maximums, but imo those ranges are more than reasonable.

When rare things are sold out and people start hoarding instead all you have is an inflation in disguise (as was the case with the Eastern Block countries). It has all the same symptoms except the actual currency changing, so no these prices are not reasonable. All they do is pretend there is no problem.

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Regulated markets are the best markets.

In bdo yes because players are greed asf. Played games where prices are stupidly out of controlled because of players greed.

socialism.bmp

Yeah bdo economy is more capitalism then other. Prices have a cap because players like running monopolies >.>

Thats like quoting a racist on foreign policy.

wtf does that even mean do you even know who Winston Churchill. Because i have a funny felling you don't know maybe you should google his name and educated yourself.

Alright you might be okay with whales being able to Monopole items. And while that is stupid, sure if you say no problem I will just grind more that's fine. But I assure you that the vast majority does NOT want that. Imagine how soon new players would leave the game when they see that all the high demand items they want are monopoled at ridiculous prices by the richest players. No one wants to play a game where they are completely at mercy of the richest players that were already there before them. And if you say "well tough shit for them, better grind some more money to earn the item" that is as cool and dandy but most people won't do that. Most people especially new players will say "----- that shit" and leave and you won't have a population to play this game with anymore. Oh and last not least imagine if the richest people monopole items that are MANDATORY like livertos or basic gear. And please don't start again with abolishing the market and letting npc's sell everything because that is some of the most idiotic shit I have read in a while. I have no idea how your thought process goes "we don't have player trading? Well in that case we do not need a marketplace either!" 

Players are greed I prefer bdo economy to other games out there.

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And what can do new players now? Do you realise the new player can not jump to the top right now? And barrier is not skill and ability to grind but RNG - something completly out of control and something what can not be work around exactly because of this communist market.

If bdo economy was communist there would be nothing on the mp at all.

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In bdo yes because players are greed asf. Played games where prices are stupidly out of controlled because of players greed.

Yeah bdo economy is more capitalism then other. Prices have a cap because players like running monopolies >.>

wtf does that even mean do you even know who Winston Churchill. Because i have a funny felling you don't know maybe you should google his name and educated yourself.

Players are greed I prefer bdo economy to other games out there.

If bdo economy was communist there would be nothing on the mp at all.

Regulation is communism to these people. They don't know what communism is, nor do they have any understanding of economics.

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Regulation is communism to these people. They don't know what communism is, nor do they have any understanding of economics.

Without those regulations we would need 20k pearl gifts just to buy liverto.

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Fun Fact: Highest Preorder doesn't do shit ... you can pre order min price and have the same chance like preordering 100m over market... i guess its the same system like boss drops. High bet pool and low bet pool

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Because I don't want to deal with cancerous gambling BS so I want to buy everything is that too much to ask for? I still have to grind and work hard to earn my silvers. Anything that has no RNG is good for me.

No with how much money I have I would be more like 270AP lol. And most ppl are still 230AP or less. I'm already over 240AP closing on 250.

You can only earn so much silver per month, 3 billion if you what ur doin and plays efficiently, most ppl don't even earn 1 billion per month.

Silver is not a valid wealth indicator in the game in my opinion considering how easy they are to acquire. So in order to prevent currency inflation (happened in WOW), using a regulated marketplace instead of a free-for-all auction house is the crucial act to keep the economy alive, otherwise game would be dead long time ago with how little content it has as a grind fest.

I just read the one year infographic, less than 50 PEN items on the entire server proves that it is not something you can easily acquire with money.

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In bdo yes because players are greed asf. Played games where prices are stupidly out of controlled because of players greed.

Yeah bdo economy is more capitalism then other. Prices have a cap because players like running monopolies >.>

wtf does that even mean do you even know who Winston Churchill. Because i have a funny felling you don't know maybe you should google his name and educated yourself.

Players are greed I prefer bdo economy to other games out there.

If bdo economy was communist there would be nothing on the mp at all.

Omg where to even start. I guess nowhere. Because you are in dire need of following your "own" advice. But googling unfortunately isnt enough you will have to try understanding too, even tho it may be hard for you. Good luck to you.

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there is a huge difference with socialism though, you guys can go the ----- outta here whenever you want if you don't like the system.

 

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RNG is the ultimate unfairness, some1 gets everything some1 gets nothing... for NO REASON BUT F00KING RNG!

Anyone who thinks RNG is good for n00bs should really think again.

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So a system that treats EVERY player fairly not matter how much silver they have is broken, but a system that rewards the players with the most silver only isn't broken? Darwin would be turning in his grave...

Then implement both systems, because I completely agree with OP. BDO is already heavily RNG based enough, now the market itself? At least give a method to outbid eachother, like seriously.

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Omg where to even start. I guess nowhere. Because you are in dire need of following your "own" advice. But googling unfortunately isnt enough you will have to try understanding too, even tho it may be hard for you. Good luck to you.

Cool story bro 

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PLZ introduce an auction system and let players outbid each other instead of retarded RNG BS. Or fix the price setting(just raise the upper limit price you can set) it's absurd to have a communist economy even in a MMORPG these days.

 

RNG is the ultimate unfairness. What's the point of grinding for silver if the system doesn't reward you for having more silver than others? 

I'll give you a simple example. If the market was open like WoW for instance. I would do the same thing i did there,I would buy out all of one category and raise
the prices to double or triple. So would most with money. Or i would even buy many of the pens/tets that are worth,and every dande i could get my hands on,Would i re sell them? No. Why then? just to keep in storage so that's one less person getting more gear.

This may sound odd to you. But to me and people i know this is what we would all do in one form or another. it is the goal of the higher geared to keep the lower geared in that lower gear. Why? Less competition = Easier to win node wars for my guild = more constant cash for us. No feelings involved just simple efficiency .

And before you go responding saying that BDO would be the exception to the rule of people buying out categories and relisting for profits. History repeats itself.And all of the mmorpg's before this that have allowed a open market with no set prices have been abused in this way.Hell if you let me bid on an item infinitely i would bid up worthwhile item beyond necessity just to force people to pay more. This again would be in my favor. You pay more,You gear slower.

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Um no

You'd be crazy if you think you can monopolize in this game. Trust me nobody's capable of doing that unless you can earn like 100 billion silver per month.

If you think you can do it then go ahead do it I ain't holding you back, good luck.

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Um no

You'd be crazy if you think you can monopolize in this game. Trust me nobody's capable of doing that unless you can earn like 100 billion silver per month.

If you think you can do it then go ahead do it I ain't holding you back, good luck.

Can't monopolize this game? I could buy out every timber category every day all day long and because of my over 300 energy and over 320 cp. so via my weekly income

i wouldn't even lose money. You can easily make over 100m a day with 180+ ap. That's 700m every 7 days.  A person who saves up long enough can actually very easily control whatever part of the market they want barring a few. I have over 47b in assets for instance (not gold bars) but assets. I could sell most of it off and control all of current top items on the market for instance. I would make alot more however turning those mats over. So it's currently not worth it. I also bought out most of the Red nose armors that were on the market still after the price dropped out. I will have a nice return soon from those aswell. You underestimate some of the peoples buying power in this game..

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Cool story bro 

Yeah i thought it would be too hard a challenge for you. Better luck next time.

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Yeah i thought it would be too hard a challenge for you. Better luck next time.

I don't think anyone that can read really understood what Dal said.. So it's okay you aren't hallucinating he really did type that.

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PLZ introduce an auction system and let players outbid each other instead of retarded RNG BS. Or fix the price setting(just raise the upper limit price you can set) it's absurd to have a communist economy even in a MMORPG these days.

Suck it like everyone else or quit.

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The most annoying aspect of this AH imo : "Please buy the cheapest item". Then someone else snipes it so you try the next and someone posts another effing cheaper item and u get that error.
THAT RIGHT THERE CAN FLIP OFF A CLIFF.

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Can't monopolize this game? I could buy out every timber category every day all day long and because of my over 300 energy and over 320 cp. so via my weekly income

i wouldn't even lose money. You can easily make over 100m a day with 180+ ap. That's 700m every 7 days.  A person who saves up long enough can actually very easily control whatever part of the market they want barring a few. I have over 47b in assets for instance (not gold bars) but assets. I could sell most of it off and control all of current top items on the market for instance. I would make alot more however turning those mats over. So it's currently not worth it. I also bought out most of the Red nose armors that were on the market still after the price dropped out. I will have a nice return soon from those aswell. You underestimate some of the peoples buying power in this game..

Go ahead do it, I have 100k+ timbers each kind in my warehouse, and I'm damn sure there are at least 1000+ ppl like me out there. So go ahead try buying everything out, the reality is u can't.

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Then implement both systems, because I completely agree with OP. BDO is already heavily RNG based enough, now the market itself? At least give a method to outbid eachother, like seriously.

Such a system already exists.  If you pre-order and the items goes to a pre-order, it goes to the highest bidder.  If it doesn't go to pre-order and multiple people bid on it, it is RNG. 

The most annoying aspect of this AH imo : "Please buy the cheapest item". Then someone else snipes it so you try the next and someone posts another effing cheaper item and u get that error.
THAT RIGHT THERE CAN FLIP OFF A CLIFF.

This has been changed in KR where you now can buy any item within a certain range of the minimum. It should be coming to our version soon, hopefully.

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Such a system already exists.  If you pre-order and the items goes to a pre-order, it goes to the highest bidder.  If it doesn't go to pre-order and multiple people bid on it, it is RNG. 

This has been changed in KR where you now can buy any item within a certain range of the minimum. It should be coming to our version soon, hopefully.

You see buddy there's no f00king way to avoid RNG when you want to upgrade your gear, which makes me so f00king sick.

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The bidding system sucks as it is not very informative

I make a bid, I wait, I click to see results and it ALWAYS asks me if I want to buy the item giving the impression I've won, go buy and get "already sold"

It's a horrible system

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Go ahead do it, I have 100k+ timbers each kind in my warehouse, and I'm damn sure there are at least 1000+ ppl like me out there. So go ahead try buying everything out, the reality is u can't.

First of all people barely post anywhere from 20-50k of each timber a day on average that i have noticed(You can watch the total sales move every day). 2ndly i could buy hundreds of thousands a day and never lose money. I currently have an average of 500k of each form of timber. I don't think you realize how cheap many materials actually are.

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You see buddy there's no f00king way to avoid RNG when you want to upgrade your gear, which makes me so f00king sick.

I agree on that. But the OP was talking about marketplace RNG.

I don't enchant anything other than tools, and those I force most of the time. I will just be patient and buy my gear.

As for RNG, the way I explain this game to my friends is that everything has 3 layers of RNG. And that's not an exaggeration unfortunately.

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Grinding RNG is fine, it's in games like Diablo3 as well, but since you kill so many mobs you are gonna get your sh1t sooner or later. Probability converges as you give more tries.

For upgrading and market RNG it's not fine cuz you have only so few attempts at them, if RNG screws you then it's GG.

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