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Devs, you need to fix Tamer approach SA/iframe because...

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...we're going to be facing an absolute rush of DKs who can jump backwards faster & traverse sideways better than most classes can dash forward which doesn't use stamina/mana, while dealing damage, magic damage, at range with massive potless health and mana sustain:

 

 

Are you actually going to address the issues with Tamers? Ever?

 

 

I appreciate you might not have an idea how to fix the issues Tamers face because you thought making a squishy melee character with a complex pet & sub-par SA/iframes was a good idea so, while I guess we need to accept that we're ruled out in the long-term for end-game pvp content, you could at least do us a favour and make us top dog for pve? Give us triple pull, massively boost roaring pve damage, increase heilangs pve damage, increase our add-on sustains skills by 100%, delete Heilang: Howling and instead make our Awakening passive an ap/evasion buff when Heilang is summoned etc.

The backlash against witchards was bad enough. I'm starting to think you're making each new class massively OP in order to drive inventory/LT/outfit purchases....oh, wait, the penny dropped :/

 

 

 

 

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Tamers OP is enough, learn your class more. and yes DK is against every class here

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All games do this and is annoying af.

Remeber when they introduced a new class in Tera. It would be the most op shit ever both in pvp and pve and every1 was playing it. 

They do it in mobas too. New hero thats op af and every1 wants to play it.

Wish they would come up with somthing smarter that would atract new players and increase their cash shop sales than this gamebreaking shit.

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learn your class, tamer is god tier at 1v1.

 

only reason why tamers fall off in siege is because they are too squishy and their damage type is sustain which doesn't work in gvg.

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Wot 

 

tamer is the most mobile class and i frames for days 

 

of all the things to complain about

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Tamer op.

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What's the deal with Tamers always being so whiny and obnoxious?

Even players that plays weaker classes are not even close to crying this much, please just keep this crap to your subforum so you can circlejerk about how weak your class is.

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trolling about "tamer OP" wont change the reality tho.

But yeah, really fix the tamer would be more than nice >.>

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What's the deal with Tamers always being so whiny and obnoxious?

Even players that plays weaker classes are not even close to crying this much, please just keep this crap to your subforum so you can circlejerk about how weak your class is.

Tamers have a lot of wonky illogical skills both in main and awakening. This is due to the developers kinda forgetting to  QA properly when over the development cycle and advance the "rules of  engagement" Well that happens with every class, but Tamers have a few long time grudges.

So when DK comes along that is basically a superior version of all that the current meta is (because it's a class designed with the latest and greatest battle data) well...you see this a bit. It also doesn't help DK controls very close to Tamers (even though they work differently).

But DK was made to fight awaken classes, so who knows when the whole package finally comes together.

But make no mistake Tamers can still put out some serious serious OPness despite it's massive short comings. You won't feel it till the end game with high gear, but it almost feel boring when my tamer grabs any-non tank class and triple tap echo pierce (This is one strong move if used properly) and they splatter...

It goes for all classes but tamers feel it a bit more, gone are the days of complicated but rewarding long chains of stun combos that tamers loved, now a days, just have enough AP, get a KD and tap that skill so the other side dies.

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Remove tamer pet cc and iframe rolling then we can talk about how buggy your class is until then shut it

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Tamer is the most OP 1vs1 class it can one combo everything 100-0

 

PS: the only problem is that combo is long and its not suitable for GVG

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Remove tamer pet cc and iframe rolling then we can talk about how buggy your class is until then shut it

The i frame rolling that you get hit right in the middle of all the time? And so many awaken skills have SA on them..when are you getting cc'd by heilang? 

Go pvp in rbf or siege as a tamer or shut it ;3

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Right... and only tamer will have issues with DK. The other classes can go and ----- themselves, right?

I'm not a DK fan, and i completely hate that it's sorc v2, but i think this requires a git gud... so git gud.

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Tamer is the most OP 1vs1 class it can one combo everything 100-0

 

PS: the only problem is that combo is long and its not suitable for GVG

Umm no? What long combos? Maybe it's the lack of AP. While you can make up the lack of AP with extended combos it's totally unnecessary, Tamers have a generously easy time to output raw burst damage, and having a grab to pick up from KD.

It's not grim reapers judgement or Ninja's Drastic measure, but 100-0 is amazingly easy on Tamer (though people don't see it till lvl60 I guess?)

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Umm no? What long combos? Maybe it's the lack of AP. While you can make up the lack of AP with extended combos it's totally unnecessary, Tamers have a generously easy time to output raw burst damage, and having a grab to pick up from KD.

It's not grim reapers judgement or Ninja's Drastic measure, but 100-0 is amazingly easy on Tamer (though people don't see it till lvl60 I guess?)

i mean it can kill a zerker with 350dp and 4500 HP

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I'm starting to think you're making each new class massively OP in order to drive inventory/LT/outfit purchases....oh, wait, the penny dropped :/

I'd do the same when there are enough idiots that jump the OP train each month :)

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Tamers OP is enough, learn your class more. and yes DK is against every class here

Does OP mean have most of our superarmours not working? Cos damn that means tamers are very OP :D

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Right... and only tamer will have issues with DK. The other classes can go and ----- themselves, right?

I'm not a DK fan, and i completely hate that it's sorc v2, but i think this requires a git gud... so git gud.

Tamer has specific issues with any magic damage-dealing enemy and, considering the sheer number of Witchards and DKs you see out and about, Tamers will be especially hit hardest when they are already a small population.

I tried hopping on the Witchard train but jesus they are boring to use. I don't want to re-roll to a class I don't enjoy. I want Tamer to be the best it can be not this half-lamed ignored mess the devs are determined to make it.

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"The opponent will not stun from the skill Heilang: Void Lightning during the skill cool down."

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Does OP mean have most of our superarmours not working? Cos damn that means tamers are very OP :D

I've yet to see any statistics on this. The only person constantly whining about tamers is Lemon, (@irrelevant) and since he can't even keep his typing aligned that isn't much to believe at all.

You're welcome to come and prove me wrong ofcourse but stating tamers are in a weak spot is silly.

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I've yet to see any statistics on this. The only person constantly whining about tamers is Lemon, (@irrelevant) and since he can't even keep his typing aligned that isn't much to believe at all.

You're welcome to come and prove me wrong ofcourse but stating tamers are in a weak spot is silly.

Anecdotes from a large amount of tamers in the bug report thread in the OP's post make statistics not required here. Watch tamers PVPing in twitch streams it happens all the time, including me as well. There are a lot more tamers 'whining' as you put it apart from lemon, he's the only one that actually starts posts and brings the issues to light. 

I don't think stating tamer is weak is silly at all, when pretty much every single other class can get into top tier siege guild easily as long as they have the gear but tamers are instantly rejected because everyone with experience knows the slot can be taken up by any other more useful class.

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I've yet to see any statistics on this. The only person constantly whining about tamers is Lemon, (@irrelevant) and since he can't even keep his typing aligned that isn't much to believe at all.

You're welcome to come and prove me wrong ofcourse but stating tamers are in a weak spot is silly.

There are no statistics because it is blatantly obvious when using a Tamer. When performing certain skills the SA doesn't cover the full length of the move OR it activates with a small delay meaning you get easily knocked out of the move by long multi-hit cc skills from other classes.

Name another non-shortsword class that gets kicked out of guilds or can't join guilds because they know they are a weak link in nodewars.

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There are no statistics because it is blatantly obvious when using a Tamer. When performing certain skills the SA doesn't cover the full length of the move OR it activates with a small delay meaning you get easily knocked out of the move by long multi-hit cc skills from other classes.

Name another non-shortsword class that gets kicked out of guilds or can't join guilds because they know they are a weak link in nodewars.

Never even heard of such a guild in EU, I swear these are just horror stories you tamers make up to try to justify why you want changes.
On a serious note though, Tamer is a class that is not super hard to master, it requires near to none AP to be able to blast someone into space.
I can completely understand it's a bit annoying that you aren't as good in sieges, I am in the same position myself, however Tamer is not the only class that has "bugged" abilities.

And for the super armor etc abilities, there is soooo many others that don't have super armor through the entire ability, or iframes that only last a split second within the respective abilities.

Sometimes, it's just how it works, and for a specialist type group Tamer is not bad off. And of course will still be god tier in 1v1.

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Never even heard of such a guild in EU, I swear these are just horror stories you tamers make up to try to justify why you want changes.
On a serious note though, Tamer is a class that is not super hard to master, it requires near to none AP to be able to blast someone into space.
I can completely understand it's a bit annoying that you aren't as good in sieges, I am in the same position myself, however Tamer is not the only class that has "bugged" abilities.

And for the super armor etc abilities, there is soooo many others that don't have super armor through the entire ability, or iframes that only last a split second within the respective abilities.

Sometimes, it's just how it works, and for a specialist type group Tamer is not bad off. And of course will still be god tier in 1v1.

Such as sorc....

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