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nouver or kutum??

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so I've been grinding it out for a while now prepping for awakening.. currently 180/256 with a tri liverto and tri kutum.. working on some last minute changes.. not sure if I should keep the red corals and so on.. but my big question is kutum or swap to nouver.. this class after awakening is clearly a sniper/glass cannon.. do I feed into this and stack the ap necessary to break the 200s or do I stick with the dp/acc from kutum.. we have acc in talent tree and I have 2 duo corals and bhegs.. would love some opinions here especially from those who have played her awak on KR ty for info

-Raevun

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Tl;dr Nouver is better till 230 ap, kutum is better if you have 230 ap with kutum, kutum is better for extremely hard pvp area's like kamasylve or aakmans, and its accuracy is pve only.

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Tl;dr Nouver is better till 230 ap, kutum is better if you have 230 ap with kutum, kutum is better for extremely hard pvp area's like kamasylve or aakmans, and its accuracy is pve only.

Why is the accuracy only for pve? Curious.

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Why is the accuracy only for pve? Curious.

We don't know why, all we know is the accuracy doesn't work in pvp

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We don't know why, all we know is the accuracy doesn't work in pvp

I'm highly interested by your source, because some mates noticed a real difference when they equiped Kutum &/or TRI Red Coral earrings against Nouver &/or TRI Witch.

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Just wanna add that you will probably need 90-100+ ap on your accessorys alone to get the 230 ap for Kutum which is generally hard to do, so Nouver will be the choice of many.

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Tl;dr Nouver is better till 230 ap, kutum is better if you have 230 ap with kutum, kutum is better for extremely hard pvp area's like kamasylve or aakmans, and its accuracy is pve only.

You say accuracy is for pve only...

Well when I tested Sayer vs Oros knot on pvp there was a big difference.

Try putting 4% accuracy buff on Unveiled Dagger and using Wheel of Fortune while having accuracy gear on you

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You say accuracy is for pve only...

Well when I tested Sayer vs Oros knot on pvp there was a big difference.

Try putting 4% accuracy buff on Unveiled Dagger and using Wheel of Fortune while having accuracy gear on you

He's clearly saying that kutum the item itself not any other item just kutum.

The accuracy from kutum doesn't apply too pvp. So your test with Saiyor/Oros has nothing to do with kutum.

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Tl;dr Nouver is better till 230 ap, kutum is better if you have 230 ap with kutum, kutum is better for extremely hard pvp area's

Are you talking about strictly for pve?  Or are you saying that once you get to a certain AP level, more ap is less valuable than having more dp

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Are you talking about strictly for pve?  Or are you saying that once you get to a certain AP level, more ap is less valuable than having more dp

For pvp once you break 230 ap WITH kutum, the dp becomes more valuable than 1 shotting people harder

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Tl;dr Nouver is better till 230 ap, kutum is better if you have 230 ap with kutum, kutum is better for extremely hard pvp area's like kamasylve or aakmans, and its accuracy is pve only.

This is false.  The reason Kutum is out damaging nouver in pve is not accuracy.  It's hidden monster AP.  And the difference between Nouver and Kutum is actually quite large in pve.  For PvP you will want Nouver for AP because the hidden Kutum mob damage doesn't apply to players.

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everything so hidden theses days ....

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Waiting on source...

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Is it really that hard to figure out? Nouver when you feel you need more AP for PvP, Kutum when you feel you need more DP for PvP, and Kutum for PvE. 

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Kutum should give acc on pvp, I see a ton of difference in damage variations between nouver and kutum on my maehwa. DK has some pretty meh acc so hatd to say how much that kutum helps if anything.

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Kutum should give acc on pvp, I see a ton of difference in damage variations between nouver and kutum on my maehwa. DK has some pretty meh acc so hatd to say how much that kutum helps if anything.

It does give acc in pvp. We have a lot of mindless players that just parrot information that they heard from a non-credible source or some retard streamer. Then we have the crazy theory crafters that come up with bogus constraints on when and where you should use an offhand. Try it out yourself and then educate others is my motto..

Nouver provides lots of AP. Kutum provides a little less AP and definitely provides acc with an ignore resist bonus. I think the answer is clear on what you should use in all cases... I'm not even sure why nouver exists at this point. 

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i prefer nouver for sheer ap over anything else.

 

call me silly orr stupid dont care. :3 my game ill play how i like thanks.

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i prefer nouver for sheer ap over anything else.

 

call me silly orr stupid dont care. :3 my game ill play how i like thanks.

Thats fine.  Gimping yourself on your pve grind thats all.  It's proven that Kutum does 20-30% more damage in pve.  Due to hidden AP for mobs.  Which is why you use nouver for pvp, and kutum for pve.  

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Thats fine.  Gimping yourself on your pve grind thats all.  It's proven that Kutum does 20-30% more damage in pve.  Due to hidden AP for mobs.  Which is why you use nouver for pvp, and kutum for pve.  

Not if he has bheg's glove :)

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Kutum is better, period. Please stop snipping my Nouvers :(

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Not if he has bheg's glove :)

Kutums advantage is not accuracy but hidden PvE damage like he said many times already. I would argue that the difference is much smaller than 20-30% in a realistic scenario but its still stronger than nouver.

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Not if he has bheg's glove :)

It doesn't matter this has nothing to do with accuracy lol..... IT HAS HIDDEN MOB AP AP

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My friend and i are both level 56 Dk,  him With zarka and nouver (215AP),  i With liverto and kutum (200ap),  we both have tri bhegs and duo tree belt (so same acc, exept he have zarka thats gives more than liv). 

I still do more dmg to our level 60war everytime we try. 

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My friend and i are both level 56 Dk,  him With zarka and nouver (215AP),  i With liverto and kutum (200ap),  we both have tri bhegs and duo tree belt (so same acc, exept he have zarka thats gives more than liv). 

I still do more dmg to our level 60war everytime we try. 

so what, you're implying it has hidden pvp damage on top of hidden mob damage now? Every one of your accessories are the same, every skill is the same? Infinite mastery, all passive ap and accuracy identical? No AP or accuracy gems differ?

 

I mean what you're saying makes no sense really. You imply kutum is so good it outshines the advantage of kzarka over liverto and an additional 15 AP with all else being equal. I'm not buying that all else is equal (which is what you're implying here, since your claim is irrelevant otherwise..). Best case scenario, your sample size is too tiny for that claim. Or there's some confirmation bias. Most likely it's some of all the above..

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so what, you're implying it has hidden pvp damage on top of hidden mob damage now? Every one of your accessories are the same, every skill is the same? Infinite mastery, all passive ap and accuracy identical? No AP or accuracy gems differ?

 

I mean what you're saying makes no sense really. You imply kutum is so good it outshines the advantage of kzarka over liverto and an additional 15 AP with all else being equal. I'm not buying that all else is equal (which is what you're implying here, since your claim is irrelevant otherwise..). Best case scenario, your sample size is too tiny for that claim. Or there's some confirmation bias. Most likely it's some of all the above..

Plot twist and only logical answer to solve this problem: Liverto has hidden pvp dmg.

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