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when is the kamasilve update NA


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mmm... because errāre hūmānum est ?

Don't get me wrong, you can blame them all you want, but forgiving is also a human trait.

Let me see...

Kuno release was delayed

Nouver realease was delayed for months and nothing was explained by kashkow

Class awakening was suppose to release all at once said by kashkow then they changed their plan at the last min and release the awakening every 2 weeks 

And now the kamasilve and DK awakening... how many more times should we forgive them?

If they told us "Sorry we will have to delay the content by xxx more weeks due to xxx reason" then I'm fine, and I believe most people on the forum will understand.

But they just told us "oh there is some miscommunication and the info on the trailer was wrong" ...THAT'S IT!?!? THAT DIDN'T EXPLAINED ANYTHING! SO INSTEAD OF THE WRONG INFORMATION, WHAT IS THE RIGHT INFORMATION?????

I can forgive them for one time, two time, even three... but now I start to believe there will be fifth, sixth and so more in the future 

that's not kamasylvia tho

U can't get DK awakening before kamasilve... now we dont even have kamasilve, how long do you think we have to wait for dk awakening

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U can't get DK awakening before kamasilve... now we dont even have kamasilve, how long do you think we have to wait for dk awakening

DK awakening was, iirc, moved to Behr in Korea, and only requires assets from Kamasylve. So in theory, we could see the DK awakening any day now.

We won't, of course, but we could.

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DK awakening was, iirc, moved to Behr in Korea, and only requires assets from Kamasylve. So in theory, we could see the DK awakening any day now.

We won't, of course, but we could.

And they rush the something voice customize thing instead... that made me even more angry 

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Let me see...

Kuno release was delayed

Nouver realease was delayed for months and nothing was explained by kashkow

Class awakening was suppose to release all at once said by kashkow then they changed their plan at the last min and release the awakening every 2 weeks 

And now the kamasilve and DK awakening... how many more times should we forgive them?

If they told us "Sorry we will have to delay the content by xxx more weeks due to xxx reason" then I'm fine, and I believe most people on the forum will understand.

But they just told us "oh there is some miscommunication and the info on the trailer was wrong" ...THAT'S IT!?!? THAT DIDN'T EXPLAINED ANYTHING! SO INSTEAD OF THE WRONG INFORMATION, WHAT IS THE RIGHT INFORMATION?????

I can forgive them for one time, two time, even three... but now I start to believe there will be fifth, sixth and so more in the future 

Maybe it's my time working with kids or the story from managing that made me impervious to it, but... It doesn't really bother me that something they though prove to be wrong (that and the fact that PA could decide one day to ditch Kakao completely).

And they rush the something voice customize thing instead... that made me even more angry 

Voice customization is only a couple of voice files and a bit of config options. Not really a lot of data compared to Kamasylvia.

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And they rush the something voice customize thing instead... that made me even more angry 

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to anger you :(

Kakao EU employees sure, maybe angering them would provoke a proper response for a change. But not you :(

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to anger you :(

Kakao EU employees sure, maybe angering them would provoke a proper response for a change. But not you :(

fun fact, PA doesn't care about Kakao employees and would probably threaten contract termination instead of wanting to help.

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fun fact, PA doesn't care about Kakao employees and would probably threaten contract termination instead of wanting to help.

Not only is this blatantly false since Kakao EU are the ones who receive our money and send off a portion to Pearl Abyss, I'm not actually looking for a response from Pearl Abyss cause they're not the ones with the constant -----ups.

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Not only is this blatantly false since Kakao EU are the ones who receive our money and send off a portion to Pearl Abyss, I'm not actually looking for a response from Pearl Abyss cause they're not the ones with the constant -----ups.

Explain to me how a portion of their revenue that is smaller than what they earn in KR could influence their choice?

Also, the constant ----- ups, are you talking about patch not coming? because that's PA side -----ing up, not Kakao.

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Kamasylve or riot! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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Explain to me how a portion of their revenue that is smaller than what they earn in KR could influence their choice?

 Source? And remember, BDO earnings. Not hair saloon earnings.

Also, the constant ----- ups, are you talking about patch not coming? because that's PA side -----ing up, not Kakao.

Pearl Abyss does literally zero communication with the EU/NA region. So no, it's 100% on Kakao EU.

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I think that after an announcement in public (like youtube) about an update then the customers maybe want another announcement in public about the correction ? (regardless the reason)

Maybe it looks like a stealthy correction (like "whoops maybe no one noticed ! " ) and the customers feel fooled because they have to ask on the forum first ...

... not directly CM Aethon's fault but maybe it's the collective responsibility of the staff ...

... not wanting to sound impolite btw, sorry, thanks for keeping everyone always updated deco_d_pastel_02.gif

 

this 100% why not give us a actual date and if you truly don't know communicate with the devs as this is kinda a big deal due to dark knight is only class without awakening and it kinda needs this majorly to be fair.

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[...]communicate with the devs[...]

NOT

HAPPENING

PA refuse and will forever refuse.

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no Karmasilve and dark knight awakening no pearl from me

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Greetings All,

I just had a quick meeting with the team regarding the release of Kamasylvia, it looks as though there may have been a miscommunication as to when the content would be released. This information was corrected a short while later and most sources updated accordingly, I'm not able to share any details regarding a release date at this time. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused and as always keep an eye out for the most up to date information in our Patch Notes and News & Announcements section of the forums.

Most people wont survive Kamalsyve anyway... So it doesnt matter... But craftable items are what we need!  :D

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But they just told us "oh there is some miscommunication and the info on the trailer was wrong" ...THAT'S IT!?!? THAT DIDN'T EXPLAINED ANYTHING! SO INSTEAD OF THE WRONG INFORMATION, WHAT IS THE RIGHT INFORMATION?????

Thats exacly where i got super disapointed, when i saw CM replied and started reading i thought, oh damn they had misscommunication, ok so whats the new plan....and nothing at all, zero info.

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Most people wont survive Kamalsyve anyway... So it doesnt matter... But craftable items are what we need!  :D

except a lot of us are waiting for dk awakening, and kamasylve is needed for that, so it does.

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except a lot of us are waiting for dk awakening, and kamasylve is needed for that, so it does.

*sigh*

DK awakening was, iirc, moved to Behr in Korea, and only requires assets from Kamasylve. So in theory, we could see the DK awakening any day now.

We won't, of course, but we could.

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Its painfully obvious that this game is not run by gamers, this sucks, KAKAO wants money, thats cool, the conflict of interest comes in the form that they don't understand what they have, what the medium is, and that they are sitting on a potential gold mine.  BDO is a stellar game despite its flaws, and they are simply mismanaging it.

With some community involvement, the right attitude and push for awareness the game could be fantastic, clearly the community is passionate...  how they don't see this is beyond me.  Instead of fighting it they should be embracing and encouraging open communication to bring more people to their product.  

In a day and age of social media and connectivity I have no clue who these people are, I don't know what is going on with the game and communication is limited to a couple tweets, posts and GM responses a month.  Bruh... they could be bought out, shut down and move on and we would know about it 2 days in advance if we are lucky.

Just hire on a full time community coordinator and talk to us, its just that simple, the community wants to know what is happening in a game/product they have invested 100's of  dollars and thousands of hours in... potentially more... talk to the people paying the bills, IT MATTERS!

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Its painfully obvious that this game is not run by gamers, this sucks, KAKAO wants money, thats cool, the conflict of interest comes in the form that they don't understand what they have, what the medium is, and that they are sitting on a potential gold mine.  BDO is a stellar game despite its flaws, and they are simply mismanaging it.

With some community involvement, the right attitude and push for awareness the game could be fantastic, clearly the community is passionate...  how they don't see this is beyond me.  Instead of fighting it they should be embracing and encouraging open communication to bring more people to their product.  

In a day and age of social media and connectivity I have no clue who these people are, I don't know what is going on with the game and communication is limited to a couple tweets, posts and GM responses a month.  Bruh... they could be bought out, shut down and move on and we would know about it 2 days in advance if we are lucky.

Just hire on a full time community coordinator and talk to us, its just that simple, the community wants to know what is happening in a game/product they have invested 100's of  dollars and thousands of hours in... potentially more... talk to the people paying the bills, IT MATTERS!

Since there is Jouska in charge on our side, we can expect at least some pressure in the right direction onto PA... Thing is koreans suck as developers and they screw more things than they fix... Its already surprising how well BDO turned out to be... For how long it will stay the same way is another thing...

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Since there is Jouska in charge on our side, we can expect at least some pressure in the right direction onto PA... Thing is koreans suck as developers and they screw more things than they fix... Its already surprising how well BDO turned out to be... For how long it will stay the same way is another thing...

Really?  His last post on the forums was more than a month ago...  is there some secret ritual we have to preform to get some information?  Like what does it take to just get a simple "Hey, this is what we are working on.  This is whats in the future. These are the problems we are facing.  Thank you for your support!"

Boom, done, at least we know something is happening...  I don't need more transparency than that.  Kamasilvia is not happening in March, cool man, 0 problems, do what you gotta do.  

"Sorry, misunderstanding, whoopsie -poopsie *shrug*" is a non-answer.

"Hey, translations are taking longer than expected, the patch will be delayed by x amount of time, we will keep you updated!  Thank you for your understanding."  Whats so hard about that, we aren't savages, just give it to the community straight.

 

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   Whats so hard about that, we aren't savages, just give it to the community straight.

Clearly that perception changed drastically a couple of "shit storms", charge-back waves and DDOS-attacks later. I seem to vaguely remember that the last time this change of direction started to happen was right around the introduction of cash items to MP and value packs if I'm not mistaken, which was the real issue for me, when others were too busy attempting to burn everything else down, grab their pitchforks and march down the beast's castle. 

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Let me see...

Kuno release was delayed

Nouver realease was delayed for months and nothing was explained by kashkow

Class awakening was suppose to release all at once said by kashkow then they changed their plan at the last min and release the awakening every 2 weeks 

And now the kamasilve and DK awakening... how many more times should we forgive them?

If they told us "Sorry we will have to delay the content by xxx more weeks due to xxx reason" then I'm fine, and I believe most people on the forum will understand.

But they just told us "oh there is some miscommunication and the info on the trailer was wrong" ...THAT'S IT!?!? THAT DIDN'T EXPLAINED ANYTHING! SO INSTEAD OF THE WRONG INFORMATION, WHAT IS THE RIGHT INFORMATION?????

I can forgive them for one time, two time, even three... but now I start to believe there will be fifth, sixth and so more in the future 

U can't get DK awakening before kamasilve... now we dont even have kamasilve, how long do you think we have to wait for dk awakening

You missed node wars which were delayed. Castle siege which wad delayed. Sorceress awakening which was delayed, after they lied to us that they'll release all awakening at once. Other awakenings which were delayed (supposed to be weekly/by-weekly -> trsnformed into monthly).

Not to mention the bunch of lies that they said in the past and the best of all "let us make our own version of black desert which will be adapted to the western market" by copying the korean updates with no changes made to fit the western market. And no, they are capable of asking for changes, look at the russian publisher; they just don't do it because they probably have to pay for region specific updates, and they need the money for hookers.

Also mediah which was released without even being announced, and so on and so forth.  

 

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But yea, never expect anything kakao says to be true. Until this date they messed up either the patch or the patchnotes EVERY single week since launch. They are incapable of publishing a game of this scale proprely, probably due to poor team managment and project managment. 

 

Since there is Jouska in charge on our side, we can expect at least some pressure in the right direction onto PA... Thing is koreans suck as developers and they screw more things than they fix... Its already surprising how well BDO turned out to be... For how long it will stay the same way is another thing...

You are SO wrong in this. First of all Jouska has no experience in the field, and is just a temporary replacment. It's why things go as bad as they go. There is no proper Project Mangment and team amnagment. It's VERY -----ing obvious that this is where the issue lies. Just check out how MUCH better the communication was in the past when we had a proeper experienced project manager (which had to take a leave since his wife gave birth).

It has NOTHING to do with PA, and they do not suck. Look at the russian version, where the publisher asks for region specific content, and surprise, they -----ing recive it. You know why? Because they ask and pay for it. Same for TW, where PA publishes the game themselves, they get tons of region specific changes and patches. n NA/EU, nobody asks, nobody pays => obviously no changes, no fixes, bad communication, etc. 

Jouska has no experience and it can be easly seen. Most of the ------ups have him at the core, since HE is the project manager atm, and he is supposed to make the important decisions. The problem is that he doesn't make those decisions, because he is inexperienced, and just follows the same path as the korean version hoping that the players will adapt, instead of adapting the game to the western market.

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oh ok, the only place I can't kill efficiently is at the lava place. But you can keep believing whatever u want.

What lava place?  220AP Witch here, Pila Ku bores the ----- out of me. I havent found a lava place there, or do you mean the circular place with the mobs inside and around?

Theres actually a better spot than that further in where mobs are more gathered up, regardless Pila Ku's mob concentrations are shit and the only reason why anyone would not be able to do it "efficiently" is because you have to run from small mob groups to small mob groups all the time. Eldritch, Sausans and Cadrys probably spoiled me in that regard.

But it adds to the fact that Valencia is a horrible place including Pila Ku. I dont even need to pull up data for this, it is self evident by lack of people there.

But lets get into it anyways, Balenos mobs give 30 karma, Mediah give 100 Karma, what do Valencia mobs give? 30. Good job Pearl Abyss. A++ place. To top it off none of the valencia areas even come close to the Mediah ones in terms of enemy density, which means karma regaining is twice as slow, and so is also money making, going by crap drops alone, Sausans gives 1k per trash item(not gonna get into the 3rd trash drop), you usually get 3+1+1 per mob and theres usually a group of 15-35 mobs on one spot with another spot just like that beside it. Therefore 5k x 15 or x 35 = 75k to 175k per mob group. While if we look at Crescents for example, theres smaller groups of 5-15mobs with 1.3k(?) per trash drop, they drop 1-2 so lets say 1.5. 2.7k x 5 or 15 = 13.5k to 30.5k. Much money such wow, why should I go Valencia?

Thats a lot less than Sausans, Lets not even talk about the exp, Pirates is far better than that, infact pirates is probably even better at money now.

And this also doesnt even take into account that drops are rare as shit on Valencia, its just simply not worth to go after these drops.

Cadrys was worthy for a while, while the Rosar Kriegsmesser was 305k, but now its down in price as well. Simply cause nobody uses those weapons. And even then, it was still rare to get that 1 specific drop, most drops I got were Rosar Swords.

Anyways I could go on and on which brings me to this quote:

 

Why are you all in a rush to get it?

Because as demonstrated above Valencia sucks, it does nothing for people, it was an expansion that came in mid-late 2016 that didnt do anything to players as everyone still plays in Mediah territories, be it about money(sausans) or exp(pirates), even with their "revamp" Valencia just doesnt give enough incentive to go there. Infact it kinda killed some spots as there are now gatekeepers that can and will 1-2shot you.

Thats why ppl want Kamasylve, because its the last hope that there'll finaly be a new place that is worth pve'ing on after having spent nearly 1 year in the same spots and being bored out of their mind due to that.

 

PS, I know that aakmans exists, but I only ever met 1 other party there. And even still, as someone else has said, money sucks as a group, the earring doesnt drop well enough either. Plus you need to be really well geared for that. People will probably still grind to 61 at pirates til the servers shut off.

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What lava place?  220AP Witch here, Pila Ku bores the ----- out of me. I havent found a lava place there, or do you mean the circular place with the mobs inside and around?

He means Sulfur mines.

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