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Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread

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I didn't mean to come off like a jackass, for that I apologize.  My responses are kind of direct...too direct sometimes.  I simply disagree with your assessment that horse skills gains aren't random, and that there's some hidden skills exp being gained causing a wagon full of horses to skill up together (which is very very rare).  I think horse skills gains are very much random, it's the only way Pearl Abyss is able to keep the algorithm from being cracked.

Also I disagree with you saying using skills change coupons during leveling won't help.  In my experience, and many others, it does help a lot of the times.  Sometimes they don't help you gain a lot of skills, but you do end up gaining more good skills.  Like I said before, for a courser to be a courser, the horse doesn't need 18+ skills, it just needs courser skills.

Anyways cheers, us breeders have some of the worst RNG in this game.  I blame the system, not people.

Coupons have worked well enough for me that I keep using them.  So I have to agree with @Gavyne here.  I have three horses with all the skills they can gain for their Tier and I used my method of switching skills on them as I was leveling.  So at least for me, they work.

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Just tested and İ can almost certainly say that swapping out FC does increase total skills. lvl 9 with 8 skills (all crappy ones). Now he's 13 with 9 skills all crappy ones. my "perfect" one relearned fore chop 7 times if I didn't swap it would probably not learn anything.

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Just tested and İ can almost certainly say that swapping out FC does increase total skills. lvl 9 with 8 skills (all crappy ones). Now he's 13 with 9 skills all crappy ones. my "perfect" one relearned fore chop 7 times if I didn't swap it would probably not learn anything.

Thing is, you cannot know if your "perfect" one would have learned all those skills anyway.  Each horse is different.

I have tried it on a few horses and my results were not conclusive - I wasted money on horses that got limited skills despite my best monetary efforts.  One never even bothered to learn forechop again at an early level. My gut feeling is that skill change coupons will not increase the number of skills your horse learns (as opposed to the pricey prem appearance coupons**), but will increase the number of good skills you have.  Others have different opinions and that is all good too.

My experience has led me to  wait until mid 20s and then make a decision to see if skill change coupons would help get better skills, and if it is even worth it. I look at the number of skills the horse currently has and if the crap ones are all there, therefore guaranteeing a good one.

I keep track of each horse and how they level, when they get the skills they do.  They all vary.  You get some that are fast out of the gate and then they go on vacation until the 20s.  My two whites learned five great skills in the last five levels, without coupon changing.

So, just be careful.  There are no guarantees in BDO horsebreeding from what I have seen.  It is why I said earlier to make $$ decisions based on your own breeding results, your wallet and what you think works best  for you. 

**that video of that guy getting a high level courser by using prem appearance coupons starting at level one.  Players should not have to spend so much money to get a good T8, just sad. Takes away from the game enjoyment as well.

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**that video of that guy getting a high level courser by using prem appearance coupons starting at level one.  Players should not have to spend so much money to get a good T8, just sad. Takes away from the game enjoyment as well.

That's why sub based games are the way to go, and are the best. Sadly, there are not that many out there, and I'm already hooked to bdo with all its flaws.

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Thing is, you cannot know if your "perfect" one would have learned all those skills anyway.  Each horse is different.

I have tried it on a few horses and my results were not conclusive - I wasted money on horses that got limited skills despite my best monetary efforts.  One never even bothered to learn forechop again at an early level. My gut feeling is that skill change coupons will not increase the number of skills your horse learns (as opposed to the pricey prem appearance coupons**), but will increase the number of good skills you have.  Others have different opinions and that is all good too.

My experience has led me to  wait until mid 20s and then make a decision to see if skill change coupons would help get better skills, and if it is even worth it. I look at the number of skills the horse currently has and if the crap ones are all there, therefore guaranteeing a good one.

I keep track of each horse and how they level, when they get the skills they do.  They all vary.  You get some that are fast out of the gate and then they go on vacation until the 20s.  My two whites learned five great skills in the last five levels, without coupon changing.

So, just be careful.  There are no guarantees in BDO horsebreeding from what I have seen.  It is why I said earlier to make $$ decisions based on your own breeding results, your wallet and what you think works best  for you. 

**that video of that guy getting a high level courser by using prem appearance coupons starting at level one.  Players should not have to spend so much money to get a good T8, just sad. Takes away from the game enjoyment as well.

I agree but on "dumb" horses it will have minimal effect. if that horse is too stubborn to even learn forechop then it will not work.

overall it is not worth spending so much money. I myself have wasted probably 40 coupons in total for my horses. that should not have been done. I will probably not buy many anymore.

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Has anyone had good results getting all of the trinity skills between levels 20 and 30? I'm leveling a wagon of T7s  which are now around the early 20 levels and out of all four of the those horses, the best skill any of them have managed is charge. =/ Every single one of them is a complete potato at this point and it's so disappointing. My smartest horses by far have been my T5s. After spending 2+ months to get them via breeding/racing/buying, it's a bit rubbish to realise that there's no point in keeping any of them.

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Has anyone had good results getting all of the trinity skills between levels 20 and 30? I'm leveling a wagon of T7s  which are now around the early 20 levels and out of all four of the those horses, the best skill any of them have managed is charge. =/ Every single one of them is a complete potato at this point and it's so disappointing. My smartest horses by far have been my T5s. After spending 2+ months to get them via breeding/racing/buying, it's a bit rubbish to realise that there's no point in keeping any of them.

The plus side of this is that it makes an exchange easier and not hurt as much xD 

But seriously my T8E learnt IA at level 29 or 30 (cant remember which) a T6 im leveling atm got to 26 last night and learned sideways move (also has drift & charge) im sure ive had other horses who have learnt good skills in later levels - was so long ago and have gone through so many that i cant remember xD 

 

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Has anyone had good results getting all of the trinity skills between levels 20 and 30? I'm leveling a wagon of T7s  which are now around the early 20 levels and out of all four of the those horses, the best skill any of them have managed is charge. =/ Every single one of them is a complete potato at this point and it's so disappointing. My smartest horses by far have been my T5s. After spending 2+ months to get them via breeding/racing/buying, it's a bit rubbish to realise that there's no point in keeping any of them.

Yeah, I have the same happening to my wagon horses, but I dont mind since I just want to breed and exchange them anyways.
People can say what they want, but I have gotten alot more good horses by leveling them solo, riding around with pearlshop riding attaire and gear for the horse. So if I want a good horse I will always solo train it. But theres people that has gotten good horses from wagon training, what Im saying is that I have never experienced that atleast.

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My 2nd T8 went on a vacation it seems haha, from 8 skills at lvl 9 to 9 skills at lvl 16.

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So, the one with 17 skills was lvled up on a wagon.. Did you lvl up the one with 14 skills on the wagon too or did that manually?

Mr. 14 skills was about 75% wagon, same costume.

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I was digging my spreadsheet and I found funny stats. Color theory? What is it? xD

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I was digging my spreadsheet and I found funny stats. Color theory? What is it? xD

3wJp5xZ.png

That falls perfectly within color theory.   Those two have a combined of 6 black...the horse born has black.  You should check the section of the FAQ on color theory.

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Happy St.  Paddy's Day!!!

Actually Rinel that is consistent with the color theory.....which is why I really only use it to figure out chance of a purebreed.  

Current wagon:  1. Sunny T6B lv 21 9 skillls, only Roar semi-decent,  2. Midnight T6A lv 20 10 skills, drift, sprint and roar  3. Noel T7G lv 18 11 skills, drift, instant accel, roar

4. Wildblack T5 lv 22 9 skills, drift  

I don't really see any difference from wagon training vs solo riding. I often solo ride good T7s near the end, they are very fast at that point and I can level up skills as they go. T8s I usually solo all the way: I want to see how they develop and same reasons as T7s.

 

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I was digging my spreadsheet and I found funny stats. Color theory? What is it? xD

3wJp5xZ.png

In short, your comb has 0/3/6 which means a chance on getting a T6 with equal or less than 6 black, the color theory only picks 1 dominant color, so it's possible since the black rate is < 5. As Shaynea said --> read FAQ for more info.

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Thank you for giving us plenty of time to still communicate on this forum - I did raise a ticket yesterday which the lovely and super helpful @GM_Horizon tried to help me with today - with such a speedy response. Although another bug I had today. My password had changed on the launcher to my forum password.. O.o something has gone amiss with the new forum for me xD

If you are still having an issue please PM me with any details (Not your log in info) you can share and I'll see if we can't track down what the problem may be.

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My wanna-be very first T7 attempt with:

T5M lvl 27 + T5L lvl 29 

apparently needs even more juice...and in the end I will get 18% / 10%. But I also have a T4C lvl 30 and if I swap the males, breeding calc is giving me the same exact results. Anyone ? What should I do ? Why should I even bother wasting my male T5 ? Am I reading the calc right ? I also have a T5N now lvl 18 and can have any T4 ready in a reasonable time (wagon training with VP and +2 silver embro.)

Any tips ?

Cheers.

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If you are still having an issue please PM me with any details (Not your log in info) you can share and I'll see if we can't track down what the problem may be.

Thank you for the reply! GM_Horizon managed to sort everything out for me - a very helpful customer service team :x 

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Thank you for the reply! GM_Horizon managed to sort everything out for me - a very helpful customer service team :x 

Glad to hear it, thanks for letting us know! :)

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Are there any Horse/Life skill guilds around in NA? Looking to join one pls dm with guild info. 

Thanks! 

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My wanna-be very first T7 attempt with:

T5M lvl 27 + T5L lvl 29 

apparently needs even more juice...and in the end I will get 18% / 10%. But I also have a T4C lvl 30 and if I swap the males, breeding calc is giving me the same exact results. Anyone ? What should I do ? Why should I even bother wasting my male T5 ? Am I reading the calc right ? I also have a T5N now lvl 18 and can have any T4 ready in a reasonable time (wagon training with VP and +2 silver embro.)

Any tips ?

Cheers.

Well, first good luck on your first attempt at a T7  :)

I hope you get lucky but you may have to try many times, it's a long road usually.  I don't think you'd be wasting your T5 on the breed.  If either combo you have provides the same or similar results just keep breeding what you can until you get your T7.  Not much difference in T4 or 5 and in the end you want higher tier horses to breed even higher ones.  Level them all to what you feel is appropriate and breed them all.

You are reading the calculator right but the percentages may be slightly off.  It's hard to prove either way but it is a good guide for breeding.  For me, at those levels I used to get a lot of males and usually had a shortage of females. 

With T4&5 in the wild I wouldn't worry about any horse being wasted, it's all good when a foal is born :)

One of, if not the first T7 I ever got was from a T5xT5 on exchange.

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sarcasm kids! pretty sure rinel knows color theory by now :D

Are there any Horse/Life skill guilds around in NA? Looking to join one pls dm with guild info. 

Thanks! 

Dark Horse guild! Or something close to those lines xD

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My wanna-be very first T7 attempt with:

T5M lvl 27 + T5L lvl 29 

apparently needs even more juice...and in the end I will get 18% / 10%. But I also have a T4C lvl 30 and if I swap the males, breeding calc is giving me the same exact results. Anyone ? What should I do ? Why should I even bother wasting my male T5 ? Am I reading the calc right ? I also have a T5N now lvl 18 and can have any T4 ready in a reasonable time (wagon training with VP and +2 silver embro.)

Any tips ?

Cheers.

Since T5 on the wild, I train T5J only, aiming for a pure black T7C. According to http://www.somethinglovely.net/bdo/horses/, I level hoses to 24, step 14. After 10 breeding attempts, I had different results, last ones was 2 tier 7 males (G and H) so yes, is possible to get a T7 from two T5 level >= 24, the table is accurate. You may level your male T5 to 29 to have better chances for a T7.

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Finally!  I got my second T8 tonight from my T7I and a T7G named Aeryeen... coincidence?  I don't think so...  Thank you for my newest baby @Aeryeen!

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I'm so happy! At least I'm a good horsie :x

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sarcasm kids! pretty sure rinel knows color theory by now :D

Dark Horse guild! Or something close to those lines xD

I wonder why people keep asking the same questions then.. would be good if people look first then ask :D

 

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That falls perfectly within color theory.   Those two have a combined of 6 black...the horse born has black.  You should check the section of the FAQ on color theory.

 

In short, your comb has 0/3/6 which means a chance on getting a T6 with equal or less than 6 black, the color theory only picks 1 dominant color, so it's possible since the black rate is < 5. As Shaynea said --> read FAQ for more info.

 

Actually Rinel that is consistent with the color theory.....which is why I really only use it to figure out chance of a purebreed.  

 

I'm even not sure who should be rewarded as Captain Obvious xD you guys should work on your humor sense

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