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Year 2 Mega Horse Breeding Thread

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It's anecdotal, but sounds like the kind of experience @Cappuccino was referencing to in the theory about skill templates (or at least a schedule of randomized skill learning based on the horse itself), in that "smart" horses have a better skill template, or a much lower threshold to learn skills on the template per skill than "dumb" horses who have a higher experience threshold to their next skill.

I think that's how the theory worked.

yeah it definitely started to feel like that..

 

t8E + t8A (courser) = t8d female courser and female t7J

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You're still in very good shape. Better than most anyway.

Meh. Already lvl 28 and still those 15 skills :(

It's anecdotal, but sounds like the kind of experience @Cappuccino was referencing to in the theory about skill templates (or at least a schedule of randomized skill learning based on the horse itself), in that "smart" horses have a better skill template, or a much lower threshold to learn skills on the template per skill than "dumb" horses who have a higher experience threshold to their next skill.

I think that's how the theory worked.

That could be very possible. What happened to me recently: at lvl 17 it didn't learn anything, at lvl 18 I switched FC on another skill, then horse didn't lvl up for another 4 levels. Then at lvl 22 it suddenly learns IA, then S-FK at lvl 23 and finally relearns FC at lvl 24. While I wasn't against such sequence it feels off, right? I switched FC again at lvl 24 and still nothing happens (lvl 28 at moment). Something suspicious is going on..

If it will suddenly be stubborn till lvl 30, what the heck am I supposed to do with it? Jump back and forth between FC and Caution hoping to learn at least Sprint and burning $$$ in the process (I remember, Gavyne, you mentioned swapping S- kicks, but even in that case I'm not sure whether it will help too much)?  No thanks, I don't gamble with real money.

Seriously, if they make such obstacles for even getting T8s before T9 release, then reduce the number of needed skills at least or add skill swapping coupons into the loyalty shop, since it is IMPOSSIBLE to get courser without paying (unless maybe if you keep breeding 24/7 for the next 10 years and go nuts in the process).

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Call me miss suspicion as of late, but since the last maint it feels like horses have been learning less skills overall.

Maybe it's just a bad week, but with the T9 greed I wouldn't be surprised if something is up.

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Call me miss suspicion as of late, but since the last maint it feels like horses have been learning less skills overall.

Maybe it's just a bad week, but with the T9 greed I wouldn't be surprised if something is up.

I can get behind that. This week I've been training a shocker of a T7 who had 1 skill right through level 6 and a grand 6 skills at level 22 (Charge being the only one of note) -- easily the worst high-tier horse I've ever had.

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I use that one (register necessary)

http://bd.thewink.eu/

 

Interesting site, but pretty hard to input 75 horses.

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Call me miss suspicion as of late, but since the last maint it feels like horses have been learning less skills overall.

Maybe it's just a bad week, but with the T9 greed I wouldn't be surprised if something is up.

From my experience, my wagon of horses, t5,6 and 7 on it have been learning quite a few skills and quite a few premium ones. I was just thinking to myself that it was pretty amazing. I had one horse with sideways move in all my stables and this wagon now has all four with sideways.

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So the only way to have a chance to get a T8 is to breed 2 T7, T6 can't give more than T7? 

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So the only way to have a chance to get a T8 is to breed 2 T7, T6 can't give more than T7? 

Correct sorta - T6xT7 at lv 30 has an ~8% chance of a T8, T7xT7 is ~25%.

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Call me miss suspicion as of late, but since the last maint it feels like horses have been learning less skills overall.

Maybe it's just a bad week, but with the T9 greed I wouldn't be surprised if something is up.

I've suffered that same suspicion a few times. But then the next week rolls around, and suddenly I get a batch of smart ones again. Even worse, sometimes I will say out loud to myself, "I swear somebody at Kakao/PA is watching my forums activity", because the moment I ever shoot my mouth off with how happy I am with a T7/T8 horse at level 15-20... the horse seems to suddenly take a Stupid Pill and stops learning skills. =/

 

 

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So my first T7 I ever bred turned out to be a real potato. Hit level 30 this morning and only 11 skills.
The problem is that she learned the 11th skill at level 14...

No instant accel, no sprint, no quick stop.

Oh well, I should be happy I have a T7 at least, Perfect for breeding still.

 

Reading the past posts, could something be up with skill learning??

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So my first T7 I ever bred turned out to be a real potato. Hit level 30 this morning and only 11 skills.
The problem is that she learned the 11th skill at level 14...

No instant accel, no sprint, no quick stop.

Oh well, I should be happy I have a T7 at least, Perfect for breeding still.

 

Reading the past posts, could something be up with skill learning??

It's a T7, no biggie.  You're shooting for T8's and that's where skills really matter (for courser and for good travel/race horse).  The T8 I leveled last week ended up with 18 skills, after breeding that horse I got another T8 which I'm leveling now, and it only has 8 skills at lvl 17 so far.  So no I don't think there's anything going on other than RNG.  You'll see people get good results, while others get bad results, and some get a mixed bag.  BDO RNG hard at work.

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It's a T7, no biggie.  You're shooting for T8's and that's where skills really matter (for courser and for good travel/race horse).  The T8 I leveled last week ended up with 18 skills, after breeding that horse I got another T8 which I'm leveling now, and it only has 8 skills at lvl 17 so far.  So no I don't think there's anything going on other than RNG.  You'll see people get good results, while others get bad results, and some get a mixed bag.  BDO RNG hard at work.

Well yea, but it would had been nice to have a fast Drift/IA horse until I get a T8 (which can take a long time)

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Well yea, but it would had been nice to have a fast Drift/IA horse until I get a T8 (which can take a long time)

Oh I didn't realize that was your first T7, congrats :D  Hopefully you'll get more soon and get one with IA/Drift/Sprint, I believe!

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Hey guys,

slightly unrelated, but I'm looking for a horse-breeding-minded guild on the NA servers. If you have something of the sort and would like to take a look at my post, this is the link:

Back on topic, I still am trying to get a T3A or T3B through breeding. I see a lot of them around, but I'm still not able to pinpoint the right combo it seems. I keep getting T3F and T3E foals. Any tips? Or are all these that I'm seeing around the new-player pack T3s?

Please let me know if you have any theories! Thanks

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Bonney level 24 and still 12 skills xD don't think I'm gonna beat my best of 14 :(

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Bonney level 24 and still 12 skills xD don't think I'm gonna beat my best of 14 :(

my potato T8 finally decided to learn some crappy moves and has 12 at lvl 25 :P atleast he learned something... Had 9 skills at 21

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my potato T8 finally decided to learn some crappy moves and has 12 at lvl 25 :P atleast he learned something... Had 9 skills at 21

I honestly dont know what ive done to anger RNGesus of skill learning. I think @PandoraRose might be right with regards to skill learning. My previous T8 has 10 skills at level 28 (charge being the only corser skill) Bonney has Drift & IA as her only corser ones at 24... Its a shame as her speed stat is already higher then my previous T8E but he has all the speed skills :/ 

I know alot of people use skill change coupons on every T8 while leveling, good for them but not all of us are fortunate enough to do so which is what annoys me (not the fact people can use coupons all the time) but the fact that ive supported this Lifeskill since forever but get fudged over. I know T8s are meant to be rare especially corsers but it would be nice to have a T8 learn 15+ skills to have a better chance at a corser. 

New breeders seem to be having the best luck obtaining T8s and also with skill learning. Someone in my guild got their first T8(A) on the first batch of T7 breedings - ended with 15 skills total and only missing both sideways for corser status. It will still need coupons, but theyre waiting to see if they get more T8s which are better before spending money.

Idk i cant seem to get T7s and most people around me are getting good results (i must do more then pray to RNGesus)

all of my latest breedings have been T6....

T7 x T7 = 2x T6s

T6 x T6 = 2x T6s

T8 & T6 = T6

i tried the T8/6 combo as i have four males and saw everyone else get a T8 in return... Haha not me! :( 

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I know alot of people use skill change coupons on every T8 while leveling, good for them but not all of us are fortunate enough to do so which is what annoys me (not the fact people can use coupons all the time) but the fact that ive supported this Lifeskill since forever but get fudged over. I know T8s are meant to be rare especially corsers but it would be nice to have a T8 learn 15+ skills to have a better chance at a corser. 

 

Honestly I hate this part about breeding, having to spend money to P2W.  It's not as if it isn't bad enough having to spend on breed resets, but to get T8 coursers, you almost always do have to spend on skills change coupons.  Really, to allow you to have only 1-2 breeds after looping them for 1-2 weeks is kind of ridiculous.

The only reason I'm using skills change coupons while leveling T8's now is because I've found I'm spending way less this way than waiting until they are lvl 30 to use the coupons.  Don't know why, it just seems more efficient using them while leveling horses so you kind of get to nudge the skills around.  You do tend to end up with more skills, and if not more skills, better skills.  I used to level to 30 before even thinking about using coupons, and I used to spend more coupons.

Anyways, hope you get some luck soon,  They seem to come and go, this game is just weird that way.  Like you having all the bad luck with horse breeding, I bet if you were to go for a TET or PEN combine you probably would've succeeded it on first try lol.  By the way you could try selling your horse to people you know, and just ask them to reimburse you for some pearls like someone does.  Might give you enough pearls to do your own skills change and you just might end up with better horses in the future.

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@Chiara

I found these old breedings that might help you in your quest for the T3A and T3B:

T2A Lvl 13 + T2A Lvl 14 = T3B
T2A Lvl 10 + T1B Lvl 11 = T3A
T2A Lvl 23 + T1B Lvl 12 = T3A

These breedings are nearly a year old though so with the updates to breeding ranges etc I doubt they'll be of much use today regarding level - but ofc you can duplicate the type of horses used :)

Also - I think the sudden increase in the T3A you see around is indeed the one from one of the starter packs :)

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Anyways, hope you get some luck soon,  They seem to come and go, this game is just weird that way.  Like you having all the bad luck with horse breeding, I bet if you were to go for a TET or PEN combine you probably would've succeeded it on first try lol.  By the way you could try selling your horse to people you know, and just ask them to reimburse you for some pearls like someone does.  Might give you enough pearls to do your own skills change and you just might end up with better horses in the future.

Thanks! :) 

Horses in this game is my main passion and it is frustrating when you keep getting rubbish results. I actually have 1 female breed reset in my inventory from the black friday sales ive been saving all this time xD 

planning to use it on my T7D & T7E pairing... Bonus as can get white/black pure breeds

Funny you say about TET/PEN gear attempts. I do an upgrade Saturday/Sunday every week after running a relic group. I managed to get my tree armor from +12 to TRI (and the TRI was first go! xD ) also managed to get Muskans from +14 to DUO (both on 55 dura) dang maybe i should yolo enchant xD 

Tinfoil theories :ph34r: 

But i hope the RNG shifts back to horses :) 

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3 days in a row without dc durning night x3
Ah yea you dont know how good you have it till you lose it haha
The past month was so soo bad for me I hope this is a good sign :')

When I think about all the lost exp for my horses...makes me want to cry >~>

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I honestly dont know what ive done to anger RNGesus of skill learning. I think @PandoraRose might be right with regards to skill learning. My previous T8 has 10 skills at level 28 (charge being the only corser skill) Bonney has Drift & IA as her only corser ones at 24... Its a shame as her speed stat is already higher then my previous T8E but he has all the speed skills :/ 

I know alot of people use skill change coupons on every T8 while leveling, good for them but not all of us are fortunate enough to do so which is what annoys me (not the fact people can use coupons all the time) but the fact that ive supported this Lifeskill since forever but get fudged over. I know T8s are meant to be rare especially corsers but it would be nice to have a T8 learn 15+ skills to have a better chance at a corser. 

New breeders seem to be having the best luck obtaining T8s and also with skill learning. Someone in my guild got their first T8(A) on the first batch of T7 breedings - ended with 15 skills total and only missing both sideways for corser status. It will still need coupons, but theyre waiting to see if they get more T8s which are better before spending money.

Idk i cant seem to get T7s and most people around me are getting good results (i must do more then pray to RNGesus)

all of my latest breedings have been T6....

T7 x T7 = 2x T6s

T6 x T6 = 2x T6s

T8 & T6 = T6

i tried the T8/6 combo as i have four males and saw everyone else get a T8 in return... Haha not me! :( 

i feel you so hard :( I did lots of T7xT7 and got T6 n return. Same for T8xT6. Then when I do T7xT6 for T7's I get 2xT8 from same batch...

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The skill change coupons work pretty much every time for me, this is primarily why I don't feel the template theory of skill learning is accurate.  Maybe I'm just lucky and only choose 'smart' horses to skill change.  I have had one horse that just wouldn't learn Sprint, but it was a Tier 1 and I feel that had more to do with the Tier than anything.

Instead of which skills a horse can learn, I do however think there is something to a loose limit on number.  

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Could I get an invite for that Horse Breeder Discord please? :)

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So, to the long time breeders out there? Do you ever Imperial Deliver your horses after they have been bred out, or do you always go for exchanging for more chances at T8.

What do the people who already have an extremely solid T8 do with it? Sell it on the market? Give it to friends? Or always more breeding?

My T7I hit 30 a few days ago, and I am working on my other T6s in the hopes of making another T7 so I can finally start working on creating my T8, and I've started thinking about how I am going to proceed when I finally "make it" as it were to T8 and then working on a good one with courser status for awakening when it becomes available.

Once I reach that point, however, I am a bit lost on exactly what I will do, whether I just keep on breeding. Ideally I make a series of T8s for my friends after I have bred them out (I don't think I could ever exchange a T8).

Someone said that there's not exactly a lot of money in breeding, that fishing is more worthwhile, but for those of you at the top what do you do? Is it just always more breeding? If so, why? I know I personally enjoy the hell out of it.

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