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You need to stop pearl trading.

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I don't care how many times this has been posted before but pearl trading for items needs to stop, now.

You might think it gives you money, and it will in the short term for sure but in the long term more and more people will get sick of it and then you have no one left but the minority that buy pearls because everything else becomes worthless, and then you'll lose those people too because they have no one to play with.

Remove the ability to gift pearls or otherwise trade real money for in-game things before it's too late. Go ask Trion how ArcheAge is doing if you want to know what will happen when the only feasible way to stay relevant is to spend 200e on the game. The model DOES. NOT. WORK. in the western market.

That is all.

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I strongly disagree. Peals in exchange for putting stuff on the market is great - makes the developer and publisher lots of money.

Them making money is great because all this does is further the life and quality of the game. PA is doing a complete rework of BDO, increasing texture quality and 3D models which is already awesome. It takes money to create content. If they sold PEN Kzarka on the market for $2500 each, I wouldn't mind them actually selling items that way.

Star Shititzen sells "in stock" ships for $15,000. BDO can do the same because its their game.

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I strongly disagree. Peals in exchange for putting stuff on the market is great - makes the developer and publisher lots of money.

Them making money is great because all this does is further the life and quality of the game. PA is doing a complete rework of BDO, increasing texture quality and 3D models which is already awesome. It takes money to create content. If they sold PEN Kzarka on the market for $2500 each, I wouldn't mind them actually selling items that way.

Star Shititzen sells "in stock" ships for $15,000. BDO can do the same because its their game.

And you're shortsighted and naive.

What happens when NOTING is put on the market without pearl trading? 95% of the players who don't spend 100e a month on a game will stop playing, then who do you have to trade things with when no one is farming stuff for you to buy?

Then you'll cry "ohemgee game is ded" and you have nothing but pearl trading to blame. I'm not a poor person, I can afford to waste money on pearls but I've also played enough MMO's in the past 20 years to know EXACTLY what it leads to. You won't keep playing when there's 100 people online at peak hours and who is going to support the game then? You and your 5 friends? Yeah no.

 

EDIT: All you have to do is look at TERA and compare the EU to NA. On EU the only reasonable way to get upgrade mats is to spend money and buy RNG boxes and the game is completely dead. NA TERA? Upgrade mats are easy to get from regular gameplay and the game is thriving.

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Just give us personal trading, this market system itself is a scam.

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... you have no one left but the minority that buy pearls..

That is all.

That is all they need.

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Not having market with capped prices would be a simpler and more likely solution. 

The whole reason people ----- about wanting pearls is because they think whatever it is they are selling is worth more then the max the market will allow them to get.  I still think its stupid to allow it at all, but I can't blame someone for not wanting to say put up a t8 horse they most likely spent weeks trying to breed upto, then 60ish hours leveling to 30 for the equivalent silver of a single day's worth of grinding.

You can still keep RNGesus running the market.  People can get a more equitable trade for their stuff and are happy.  No more need to deal with scam people.  No more of that incessant spam or reply to your WTB/WTT requests of "how many pearls?"  PA can still sell their stuff for the marketplace.

Happy people stick around longer. People can't buy your stuff if they arn't playing.

 

 

P.S.  PA, as an aside, you'd probably make more if everything gave the same Pearl:Silver ratio on the market, you really are shooting yourself in the foot there.  Choice is good and people want to buy lots of different things, but if the sellers will only stick to the same 1-2 different types of items that give the best ratio then you are loosing out on sales for everything else.  I'd love to buy pets, mount stuff, functional items and all that (which means someone has to pay you $ to sell those to me) but barely any of it exists because its all 'outfit, outfit, outfit'.   Also, the ability to wear parts from different outfits and get the bonus instead of 1 matching set would mean several outfit sales (or at least additional part sales) instead of the single outfit most already have and rarely replace.

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That is all they need.

And you think those 1000 people spread across the servers are going to keep playing an empty game? Seriously?

Not having market with capped prices would be a simpler and more likely solution. 

The whole reason people ----- about wanting pearls is because they think whatever it is they are selling is worth more then the max the market will allow them to get.  I still think its stupid to allow it at all, but I can't blame someone for not wanting to say put up a t8 horse they most likely spent weeks trying to breed upto, then 60ish hours leveling to 30 for the equivalent silver of a single day's worth of grinding.

 

 

You can level horses while AFK, why the hell should you get billions for keeping the game running in the background. Entitled much?

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And you think those 1000 people spread across the servers are going to keep playing an empty game? Seriously?

1000 pve adventurers, lifeskillers, fishers, horse breeders will continue playing an empty game.

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1000 pve adventurers, lifeskillers, fishers, horse breeders will continue playing an empty game.

Yeah, that's why ArcheAge is such a huge financial success fo Trion, because those 1.4k peak players are making them billions.

Get back to reality. It's another game ruined by greed of the people running it.

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Get back to reality. It's another game ruined by greed of the people running it.

I'm back. I agree with you.

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Get back to reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ_8t6JAABI

But on a serious note, Black Desert Online is a massive success when compared to most other games that die within a year. ArcheAge and Blade & Soul had awesome releases, both of which are dead now. Black Desert seems to be the only one not only retaining players, but consistently gaining new ones. So the game being "ruined" is quite honestly just your subjective opinion and is objectively incorrect.

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The model DOES. NOT. WORK. in the western market.

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Seems to be working quite while for a niche Korean MMO. :) 

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BDO will be lucky to see the week out 

 

begging and spamming world chat was the only way to get boss gear afterall 

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But on a serious note, Black Desert Online is a massive success when compared to most other games that die within a year. ArcheAge and Blade & Soul had awesome releases, both of which are dead now. Black Desert seems to be the only one not only retaining players, but consistently gaining new ones. So the game being "ruined" is quite honestly just your subjective opinion and is objectively incorrect.

What are you on about? I said ArcheAge was ruined, not this game - yet.

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Seems to be working quite while for a niche Korean MMO. :) 

I really wish people would take the time to actually read and comprehend what they're replying to.

 

The game is doing fantastic -NOW- but if they keep allowing pearl trading more and more items are going to be solely sold via pearls making silver completely pointless meaning only the tiny minority that can spend 100e a month on a game will be left playing because everyone else has no reason to play because they can't/won't spend money on pearls.

It's not really a complex concept, please understand what I'm saying before you reply. I've already spent 80e on this game in the last 10d since I started to buy 2 outfits for my 2 chars, 2 pets and a 30d premium, I'm not living in poverty or anything but I will never, ever pay real life money to get items like horses or weapons out of principle.

Name ONE successful game in the western market where the only feasible way to progress is to pay real money for it. You won't find one as they are all dead and my concern is that this game will follow suit if they keep allowing pearl trading.

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The game is doing fantastic -NOW- but if they keep allowing pearl trading more and more items are going to be solely sold via pearls making silver completely pointless meaning only the tiny minority that can spend 100e a month on a game will be left playing because everyone else has no reason to play because they can't/won't spend money on pearls.

It's not really a complex concept, please understand what I'm saying before you reply. I've already spent 80e on this game in the last 10d since I started to buy 2 outfits for my 2 chars, 2 pets and a 30d premium, I'm not living in poverty or anything but I will never, ever pay real life money to get items like horses or weapons out of principle.

Name ONE successful game in the western market where the only feasible way to progress is to pay real money for it. You won't find one as they are all dead and my concern is that this game will follow suit if they keep allowing pearl trading.

1) You don't need to spend real money in this game to be relevant or progress; you need to be able to play non-stop

2) Stop trying to push YOUR opinion as that of the majority's, people have been crying about this game's cash shop and other things since day 1 and claiming it's going to kill the game. The game has done nothing but grow since it was released.

3) Please don't assume that because you're poor or not willing to spend money that you are in the majority of players. You're trying to pass of your whining as fact when really it's just your opinion.

If you're not happy with the game, cash shop or trading then please quit and find another of these marvelous games you seem to think exist. Just because someone wants pearls for their T8 or Kzarka weapon doesn't mean you have to pay for it. Pearl trading hasn't and most probably won't ruin this game, it just gives players like yourself something to whine about. :) 

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I don't care how many times this has been posted before but pearl trading for items needs to stop, now.

You might think it gives you money, and it will in the short term for sure but in the long term more and more people will get sick of it and then you have no one left but the minority that buy pearls because everything else becomes worthless, and then you'll lose those people too because they have no one to play with.

Remove the ability to gift pearls or otherwise trade real money for in-game things before it's too late. Go ask Trion how ArcheAge is doing if you want to know what will happen when the only feasible way to stay relevant is to spend 200e on the game. The model DOES. NOT. WORK. in the western market.

That is all.

Why it has 0 effect on you.

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1) You don't need to spend real money in this game to be relevant or progress; you need to be able to play non-stop

2) Stop trying to push YOUR opinion as that of the majority's, people have been crying about this game's cash shop and other things since day 1 and claiming it's going to kill the game. The game has done nothing but grow since it was released.

3) Please don't assume that because you're poor or not willing to spend money that you are in the majority of players. You're trying to pass of your whining as fact when really it's just your opinion.

If you're not happy with the game, cash shop or trading then please quit and find another of these marvelous games you seem to think exist. Just because someone wants pearls for their T8 or Kzarka weapon doesn't mean you have to pay for it. Pearl trading hasn't and most probably won't ruin this game, it just gives players like yourself something to whine about. :) 

Yeah that's why all the other games where you get better with real money are doing so well with healthy populations, constant updates and thriving in-game economies.

Oh wait, they are deserted. You can wallow in your ignorance all you want, that doesn't change the fact that every game in the western markets where real money is the only feasible way to progress is dead.

Again, I'm NOT, I repeat, NOOOOOOOT saying that's where the game is *NOW* but I know where it's headed if they don't put a stop to it so *STOP* acting like I'm saying it's there now. Selling outfits is fine, the market prices for them are so low that it's not going to impact anything but when it becomes mandatory to pay in pearls for anything above basic items, you're going to have a problem and unless they remove pearl gifting, that is exactly where it will go.

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Yeah that's why all the other games where you get better with real money are doing so well with healthy populations, constant updates and thriving in-game economies.

Oh wait, they are deserted. You can wallow in your ignorance all you want, that doesn't change the fact that every game in the western markets where real money is the only feasible way to progress is dead.

Again, I'm NOT, I repeat, NOOOOOOOT saying that's where the game is *NOW* but I know where it's headed if they don't put a stop to it so -----ing *STOP* acting like I'm saying it's there now for -----s sake.

so you cant go out and get these items YOURSELF without spending a dime?

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They won't disable gifting ever due to the fact Kakao makes a killing from this while keeping rmt dead and gone its win win for them.

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so you cant go out and get these items YOURSELF without spending a dime?

If you're too lazy to read the OP and understand what the thread is about then please, be too lazy to post as well.

They won't disable gifting ever due to the fact Kakao makes a killing from this while keeping rmt dead and gone its win win for them.

It's going to be a lose lose to everyone in a year or 2 when pearls is the only way to buy anything beyond basic items. How can people not see this is beyond me.

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If you're too lazy to read the OP and understand what the thread is about then please, be too lazy to post as well.

if you're too lazy to enhance your gear instead of thinking buying it or gifting pearls to other players is the only way to get ahead in this game then please, be too lazy to play as well, I see more people offering pearls for items over people selling items for pearls anyway

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if you're too lazy to enhance your gear instead of thinking buying it or gifting pearls to other players is the only way to get ahead in this game then please, be too lazy to play as well, I see more people offering pearls for items over people selling items for pearls anyway

Sigh. You're missing the point completely.

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Sigh. You're missing the point completely.

its not a problem, its not likely we will see an increase in pearl buyers than we do now, because there are more people who can buy pearls than there are people who, say, TRI tree armor, so unless we see a major increase in enhancement success rates and the ratio of buyers to sellers is closer it should not be an issue for the game's health, plus there are still people selling items for pure silver anyway. Games like archeage sell items from their cash shop that give a major advantage you can ONLY get in the cash shop, and with rmt rampant in f2p games like that, the economy is in a much worse state than it is now

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its not a problem, its not likely we will see an increase in pearl buyers than we do now, because there are more people who can buy pearls than there are people who, say, TRI tree armor, so unless we see a major increase in enhancement success rates and the ratio of buyers to sellers is closer it should not be an issue for the game's health, plus there are still people selling items for pure silver anyway. Games like archeage sell items from their cash shop that give a major advantage you can ONLY get in the cash shop, and with rmt rampant in f2p games like that, the economy is in a much worse state than it is now

Where are all the horses in the game?

Oh yeah, you can buy a decent one with pearl gifting only. That's one market already destroyed by it completely. How is that not a problem again?

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Sigh. You're missing the point completely.

I feel you're missing the point.. these items aren't going for sale because they are high demand and valuable items that most people have applied to the classes they are playing.. so what people do when they are incapable of getting it via the market is.. well... they go out and get it themselves it's not like these items are unobtainable. The people selling them went out and got it themselves. I spent 3 weeks offering pearls for a dandi and got no offers which is exactly the same thing I saw on the marketplace.. 0 sales so I picked up my big boy pants and raided kuranda until the thing dropped it.. now I have it and have no need to waste rl money on trading for the item. Anyone upset about pearls being gifted for the sake of a slight chance at buying one just don't have the time or can't be bothered to go get it themselves or upgrade it themselves.. there isn't a piece of gear on the market that can't be obtained in game from actually trying. So while items may go the way you say (Nothing going to market unless pearls are offered) I can see that being a tipping point where the boys are separated from the men who actually are willing to get their hands dirty to get the things they want.There once was a time when kzarkas were scares on the market because everyone was using it and gearing it themselves now alas I bought a tri kzarka  after watching 4 go up.. I don't think things are as grave as you say.

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