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You need to stop pearl trading.

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I have a solution (especially for those new players saying they want to quit because of this).

Stop the assumption that you are going to buy your TET/PEN/TRI boss gear, weapons.

Just stop it.

Schedule the time or try to hit the World Bosses when they spawn. If you dont have good enough gear yet, then build up a Grunil/Liverto set and when it gets good (shouldn't take long) use that to go farm bosses and hope for the RNG drop like everyone else.

Even without Pearl Gifting, you would still have a hard as hell time buying this stuff on the MP.

Stop trying to skip steps and buy the armor. Enchant it up just like the first wave of people did.

Stop trying to be "end-game" right now. Just slow down, play the game and you will eventually come to that point.

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Stop the assumption that you are going to buy your TET/PEN/TRI boss gear, weapons.

at this rate, i think the best argument here would be whether or not people really think this cuz LOL DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THIS? LOLLLOL.

As a wealthy ingame player please understand most of us make bids in the billions on things we want that aren't even worth 1billion LOL don't assume y'all getting shit if you don't work your ass in game regardless of how much money you spend looooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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at this rate, i think the best argument here would be whether or not people really think this cuz LOL DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THIS? LOLLLOL.

As a wealthy ingame player please understand most of us make bids in the billions on things we want that aren't even worth 1billion LOL don't assume y'all getting shit if you don't work your ass in game regardless of how much money you spend looooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

And that is what I think is at the core of this issue people have.

They see the spam in World Chat asking for Pearls for TRI/PEN/TET stuff and they "think" they actually would have had a good chance of buying that item........not knowing...........so many other players have been waiting for someone to post that item in order to buy it as well.

Might as well hit those world bosses like everyone else.

 

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And that is what I think is at the core of this issue people have.

They see the spam in World Chat asking for Pearls for TRI/PEN/TET stuff and they "think" they actually would have had a good chance of buying that item........not knowing...........so many other players have been waiting for someone to post that item in order to buy it as well.

Might as well hit those world bosses like everyone else.

 

hell even if they do get them. High gear is an enabler. There are actually very few players in this game who know how to even use a pen loadout LOL.
I'm not one of them I don't think. Not yet. Too much about my class I still don't know.

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 Um,

Do you need some coffee ? your thoughts seems to be quite messy on this :

I find it odd that you've changed your argument so quickly to now stating that it only affects the marketplace chance.

 My very limited entries on this topic can be easily checked & verified.

From the very first post, my focus was pointing out the difference of Chances available by embracing/rejecting Pearls Gifting, and how this activity can affect 3 out of 4 Paths towards Boss Gears : Market Bidding & Pre-Order, and Receiving the item as a Drop. That stance never changed.**

I hope you don't mind answering me this, how does being able to trade pearls affect the drop rate for boss loot

I have already pointed out the Effect of Power Boost through $$ on the Chances of getting a drop, your free to disagree with my example of Blade & Soul, but so far your points of rejections were the following : 

 Just because something negative happened in a different game that is published by a different company that is developed by a different company; doesn't mean it'll happen here. This is known as a logical fallacy and forms a very very weak argument. 

Which are all Irrelevant factors, simply because the characteristics of the System : 

  • Valuable Drops from World Bosses.
  • Damage based Chance at the Drops.
  • Poor Mechanics = Player Stat = Damage Output.
  • Possible ways of Highly improving Damage Stats through $$.

Are all similar to Black Desert.

Also, i am not avoiding the fact Boss items can still be obtained through RNG bracket instead of Damage contribution, i am just saying that even if both Brackets have the same Chances at Boss items, Boosting the Stat of cash players will logically lead to Limiting the Chances of the rest, to a single option = RNG Bracket instead of both.

 

 I hope you don't mind answering me this, how does being able to trade pearls affect your RNG on night vendor? Your entire argument is that due to pearl trading people can't get boss gear without paying,  

I would answer your questions if it wasn't for 2 problems, i never claimed Pearl Gifting is Affecting Night Vendor, the 2nd problem : i never claimed peoples can't get anything without Paying, So .. Coffee ? that last part about getting "hysterical" & "beer" really prove you could use one, cause i never claimed that either.

**Finally : 

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This part was manipulated from the 3rd & 1st Post, in a way to make it sound like a contradiction, which is easily removable by reading the context of each post, So i Find it quite disturbing for you to use this kind of tactics in a discussion and proceed to speak about Logical Fallacies ..

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I have a solution (especially for those new players saying they want to quit because of this).

Stop the assumption that you are going to buy your TET/PEN/TRI boss gear, weapons.

Just stop it.

Schedule the time or try to hit the World Bosses when they spawn. If you dont have good enough gear yet, then build up a Grunil/Liverto set and when it gets good (shouldn't take long) use that to go farm bosses and hope for the RNG drop like everyone else.

Even without Pearl Gifting, you would still have a hard as hell time buying this stuff on the MP.

Stop trying to skip steps and buy the armor. Enchant it up just like the first wave of people did.

Stop trying to be "end-game" right now. Just slow down, play the game and you will eventually come to that point.

What the ----- are you even talking about? Show me ONE person saying this?

Not a single person has even insinuated that they think you can just buy that stuff day 1.

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I don't, you're right. But I do know that whatever the reason is that you're thinking about making a second sailboat, it is not so that you can "keep your goblins busy" *.

Well, it seems to me that having idle workers is a waste of resources.  I have nothing close to Epheria that I would like to gather (with the possible exception of dried fish, but drying the green fish I get from fishing seems to be more than enough.  I could make fishing boats instead, but it would take 67 of those to get the same return as making one Epheria boat.

And at 3220 cycles of work spread over 3 Artisan Goblins, it would take a month and a half to finish another boat, which is more than enough time to gather enough logs (which has the added benefit of leveling my main gatherer's level, as well as bringing one or more of my alts to Gathering Professional 1 for more House Fame money.

Of course, once I have the boat, I don't need to sell it. I could just register it in Velia or Altinova for easy access to the Eastern part of the map.

That being said, your implication that someone would not make an Epheria boat to sell for the 205 million max price tells me that you think the boat is actually underpriced.

I doubt very much that there's anything in the pearl store that you couldn't just go buy yourself. IIRC, everything in there is under 100 bucks--I'm sure that you can afford it if it's important enough to you.

But I'm also sure that you'd rather spend $0 to obtain something than $100**. And if I had to guess what you'd rather have for free rather than paying for it, I'd start with these:

I think the whole "spending $0 to obtain something then $100" is relative.  Just because something doesn't cost money doesn't mean it doesn't cost other things, like time and convenience. I mean, so much of the pearl store appeal is based on that. It's easier to pay for inventory expansions than to manage your inventory carefully with what the game gives you, just to give one example.

I do find the whole idea of skill change coupons irritating, because you are paying for a roll of the dice in a game that is already overloaded with RNG.

By the way: you don't actually have to train a horse in skills before you sell it, nor do you have to hand-select the skills that it has. Given that you can level it while AFK, it will still represent an incredible profit in terms of silver obtained per unit of effort. If you choose to spend cash on those, that's your problem.

Oh, I know that.

You are assuming that I am breeding horses for the purpose of selling them for money.  I am not.  And a lot of the breeding community isn't either.  We are trying to get the perfect horse(s) for ourselves.  We will sell the surplus (like when I'm swimming in T6 males), and we will try to sell specific horses to others to optimize breeding pairs, but T6/7 horses aren't exactly falling out of the sky.  And they don't seem to be very smart most of the time. 

But in short, what I want out of breeding:
- A horse with good speed skills for each of my characters. Two-seater would be very desirable. My witch would probably enjoy a horse with battle skills as well.

- A race horse for each tier.

- To breed a horse of every skin. I'm missing 3 T4s, 1 T5, 2 T7s and all T8s.

Also, as a comparison, I spent all of my afk time in the last week fishing.  I made 85 million selling the fish and the relic shards.  I would have to breed at least 2 T7s out of T5s I caught in the wild and sell them to make the same amount of silver in that time. So fishing is definitely a more consistent income source.

 

Breeding resets, I will grant, are more of a requirement if you want to sell top-tier horses on a time scale that does not involve geological epochs. I also find those very irritating.

* assuming, of course, that you are not insane. If you are, then maybe you don't want your goblins to get bored. If this is the case, I humbly apologize.

** assuming, again, that you are not insane. If you are, then maybe you would rather spend $100 on something you could get for free. If this is the case, again, I apologize.

I have never made any claim to sanity, but it seems obvious to me that we approach the game from different perspectives, so I understand if you may think that.

 

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What the ----- are you even talking about? Show me ONE person saying this?

Not a single person has even insinuated that they think you can just buy that stuff day 1.

Who the hell said Day 1?

Stop trying to take my quote and inflate it to ignorant levels. I don't need to show you anyone saying this, because people like you (who have not played for long) come on the forums asking the Devs to take away a system because you wont be able to buy something because someone is holding onto them for Pearl Gifting.

My point still stands. New players.........slow down.......go through the progression like normal.....because there is a sh*t load of people that have been playing the game who still do not have the items you are trying to buy on the MP. Meaning, you are competing with A LOT of people and you most likely would get the boss drop and enchant it up before you could reliably buy that item on the MP.

 

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Pearl gifting enabled = more boss gears/weps entering market with chance to bid than before.
Since pearl gifting was enabled has no one watched the numbers double for dandes etc posting?
I see nothing but positives.

The sky isn't falling everyone.

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Pearl gifting enabled = more boss gears/weps entering market with chance to bid than before.
Since pearl gifting was enabled has no one watched the numbers double for dandes etc posting?
I see nothing but positives.

The sky isn't falling everyone.

They all believe those people spamming World Chat for Pearl Gifting must have a monopoly on all the items.

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Who the hell said Day 1?

Stop trying to take my quote and inflate it to ignorant levels. I don't need to show you anyone saying this, because people like you (who have not played for long) come on the forums asking the Devs to take away a system because you wont be able to buy something because someone is holding onto them for Pearl Gifting.

My point still stands. New players.........slow down.......go through the progression like normal.....because there is a sh*t load of people that have been playing the game who still do not have the items you are trying to buy on the MP. Meaning, you are competing with A LOT of people and you most likely would get the boss drop and enchant it up before you could reliably buy that item on the MP.

 

Where did I say I want to buy anything?

You make up random shit no one has said and then make an argument based on that thing you just made up.

I'll just block you now, reading your garbage makes me want to use words and phrases that will just get me banned so, yeah, have a nice life in your made up world.

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Where did I say I want to buy anything?

You make up random shit no one has said and then make an argument based on that thing you just made up.

I'll just block you now, reading your garbage makes me want to use words and phrases that will just get me banned so, yeah, have a nice life in your made up world.

Go ahead and block me. But for what? Because you quoted me and i replied? Yea ok

You were complaining on these forums about Pearl Gifting.

So why would you be complaining about Pearl Gifting if you are not intending to buy the items on the MP? Sounds like you are then complaining about something that does not effect you. But you try and make it seem like this is going to ruin the game economy or something. With no proof. Only with conjecture. 

So my post that you quoted was directed at new players who want to quit over this. People who think this is ruining their chance of getting a boss armor/weapon. You know, people who actually have a perceived in-game issue about it. So I posed a solution, one that does not have them relying on people withholding items for Pearls.

If your point of this thread was pure conjecture and it does not effect you at all, nor have you tried to buy an item and been effected by this................then your post was in fact, pointless.

 

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Pearl gifting enabled = more boss gears/weps entering market with chance to bid than before.
Since pearl gifting was enabled has no one watched the numbers double for dandes etc posting?
I see nothing but positives.

The sky isn't falling everyone.

Really, so it has nothing to do with the increased playerbase and returning players since the xp buff? Without pearl gifting, people would just let the items rot in their bank?

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We need "personal trade" so that we can get guaranteed stuff when we do business, not some kind of market lottery scam.

Giving away ur $$$ for nothing in return(cuz u damn sure ain't getting anything with this RNG scam), is that really worth it? I wouldn't pay $$$ for a "chance", I only pay for a "thing".

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So basically make the system more P2W by guaranteeing people paying get higher benefits and it'll fix all problems? Yeah seems legit!

Seriously though, this thread is downright stupid. Shit gets listed a lot. Which means you get plenty of chances to bid on it.

Lemme guess, without pearl trading every dandelion would be sold at the + you have your preorder on right? And it be for your class right? Somehow? With  or without pearl trading, you would only be able to preorder one enhancement lvl of one specific item at a time and what people post would still be random. Either way, by no means would you have a guarantee that the item you have your preorder on will be sold. On the other hand, even with pearl trading there's no guarantee the item will go into preorder, thus giving everyone the chance to bid at it and even then, there'd still be no guarantee of you winning the bid with or without pearl gifting.

The question needs to be put upside-down. Pearl gifting gives more chances (clearly in a RNG based game you cant talk about "guaranteed", you have totalk about chances).

"Chances" are the "p2w-element" (even if i do not think the game is p2w) in BDO. If chances do not change, there would be no need to gift pearls for items, so clearly pearl gifting has to modify chances somehow.

Removing pearl gifting increases the chances to get items.

 

So pearl gifting flaws the game in some aspects.

Now the other question: Does pearl gifting helps the game?

It doesnt, so just remove it

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This flamefest thread still going on? Neither side has any chance of convincing the other. Good points but we have to accept the fact that this current system is here to stay for the near future.

We could all just have some fun pvp at sausans or pirates instead. :)

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We need "personal trade" so that we can get guaranteed stuff when we do business, not some kind of market lottery scam.

Giving away ur $$$ for nothing in return(cuz u damn sure ain't getting anything with this RNG scam), is that really worth it? I wouldn't pay $$$ for a "chance", I only pay for a "thing".

If they set up direct trading between players, then they would have to disable pearl gifting. 

The question needs to be put upside-down. Pearl gifting gives more chances (clearly in a RNG based game you cant talk about "guaranteed", you have totalk about chances).

"Chances" are the "p2w-element" (even if i do not think the game is p2w) in BDO. If chances do not change, there would be no need to gift pearls for items, so clearly pearl gifting has to modify chances somehow.

Removing pearl gifting increases the chances to get items.

Pearl gifting doesn't make items disappear from the notifications of everyone who wants that item. 

So pearl gifting flaws the game in some aspects.

Now the other question: Does pearl gifting helps the game?

It doesnt, so just remove it

Are you sure it doesn't?  

You are thinking only in the context of someone gifting items in return for a listing.

Think of it in the context of new players who get a pet or an outfit from their friends when they are starting out and getting to know the game. Are they more or less likely to keep playing (and possibly buying more pets themselves)?

Since we can't give in-game items to new people to help them out, pearl gifting is one way we can be helpful.

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What the ----- are you even talking about? Show me ONE person saying this?

Not a single person has even insinuated that they think you can just buy that stuff day 1.

The dude completely derailed the thread!

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stating facts that are true

This is all I needed from you. From the start you have argued that pearl trading is making it more difficult for people to acquire boss gear, I then pointed out that the marketplace isn't the only place to get boss gear so your point fails. You've agreed with me now so that's all I needed. :) 

 

Which are all Irrelevant factors, simply because the characteristics of the System : 

  • Valuable Drops from World Bosses.
  • Damage based Chance at the Drops.
  • Poor Mechanics = Player Stat = Damage Output.
  • Possible ways of Highly improving Damage Stats through $$.

More conjecture which shows that you don't actually play the game. You keep harping on that cash shop players have a better chance of getting boss gear but you've yet to show how they have a better chance. Sure, people can list their items on the marketplace and expect pearls in return but seeing as there's no trading in this game EVERYONE has the same exact chance of getting the item through the marketplace. The only thing a seller can do is list the item at an odd time in the hopes that no one else can grab it, but since you like to focus on "chance" please explain to me how the buyer has a better chance of getting the item over someone who is also looking at the marketplace at the same time?

This argument is about the accessibility of boss gear, you're arguing that since people can trade pearls for them it lowers the supply. This may come as a shock to you but the marketplace doesn't actually spawn boss gear and is merely a tool for selling them. There are two place you can get boss gear from, fighting the boss and from the night vendor. Seeing as boss drops are COMPLETELY RNG and the night vendor doesn't depend on the cash shop, your argument that pearls are having a negative effect on boss gear fails completely.

I beg you, actually play the game before coming onto the forums to argue about it. :) 

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This is all I needed from you. From the start you have argued that pearl trading is making it more difficult for people to acquire boss gear, I then pointed out that the marketplace isn't the only place to get boss gear so your point fails. You've agreed with me now so that's all I needed. :) 

9_9 Could've saved us pages of arguing, Plunge. Of course not every method of obtaining boss gear is made more difficult by pearl gifting. Only the ones involving the marketplace.

If you want to pretend that invalidates my point, go for it.

The only thing a seller can do is list the item at an odd time in the hopes that no one else can grab it, but since you like to focus on "chance" please explain to me how the buyer has a better chance of getting the item over someone who is also looking at the marketplace at the same time?

9_9 Let's save more time. Everyone who wants the boss gear and can afford the boss gear and just so happens to be looking for boss gear at the same time that the boss gear is placed on the market is going to have the same chance of getting it.

But that condition is carefully set up to deliberately miss the point. The real advantage happens in the part in red, which you've already acknowledged.

The pearl seller only needs to wait on the marketplace for a minute or two, because the pearl seller knows when the item is being posted. Nobody else does. That IS the advantage, and it profoundly increases their chances against the average chances of other players who also want boss gear, also can afford boss gear, and also spend the same amount of time looking for boss gear on the marketplace.

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9_9 Let's save more time. Everyone who wants the boss gear and can afford the boss gear and just so happens to be looking for boss gear at the same time that the boss gear is placed on the market is going to have the same chance of getting it.

But that condition is carefully set up to deliberately miss the point. The real advantage happens in the part in red, which you've already acknowledged.

The pearl seller only needs to wait on the marketplace for a minute or two, because the pearl seller knows when the item is being posted. Nobody else does. That IS the advantage, and it profoundly increases their chances against the average chances of other players who also want boss gear, also can afford boss gear, and also spend the same amount of time looking for boss gear on the marketplace.

There is a 10-15 minute queue for that kind of item.  Only pearl items list in a minute or two.

So anyone who wants boss gear and has their wits about them will have notifications set up for all enchant levels of said gear. When they see a notification, they will wait a minute or two to see if it goes to pre-order or not, and if it does not go to pre-order either log onto an alt, haul their derrière to the Marketplace NCP in the town where they have their money, or summon a maid to wait for the item to show up.

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This flamefest thread still going on? Neither side has any chance of convincing the other.

Yeah cause the people who want it to stay keep repeating the same arguments, which then get refuted and they stop posting as they realize they are wrong. Then another guy comes along who hasn't read the thread and just repeats the same arguments that were refuted 2 pages ago.

OR we have this one guy who keeps changing the goalpost every time he loses the argument.

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because the pearl seller knows when the item is being posted. Nobody else does.

Every post you makes just confirms that you don't actually play this game.

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Yeah cause the people who want it to stay keep repeating the same arguments, which then get refuted and they stop posting as they realize they are wrong. Then another guy comes along who hasn't read the thread and just repeats the same arguments that were refuted 2 pages ago.

OR we have this one guy who keeps changing the goalpost every time he loses the argument.

then there is me.

just me. bb.

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Yeah cause the people who want it to stay keep repeating the same arguments, which then get refuted and they stop posting as they realize they are wrong. Then another guy comes along who hasn't read the thread and just repeats the same arguments that were refuted 2 pages ago.

OR we have this one guy who keeps changing the goalpost every time he loses the argument.

Well, you are the one arguing that nothing will be listed in the marketplace without a pearl offer. With the additional implication that whoever is gifting pearls will get the item, leaving other players in the cold.

You have not actually shown any evidence of that being the case.

In fact, I have looked at marketplace numbers since DK release and you can see that about 50 Kzarka Kriegsmesser get posted a day.

Every player who wants one of those Kzarkas has a chance at them, either by putting in a pre-order or by going to the MP and bidding on them.

If anyone thinks that they have a better chance at getting an item because they are gifting pearls, then that's on them, but it's not really true.

Now where is your evidence that things are not being listed?

 

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