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How to deal with PKers in Sausan?

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I am getting keep killed by High lvl Sorc and Musa Pkers in Sausan.  It's not like, I step into their hunting spot.  

When I get back the place after I get rez, they kill me again.   One of Sorc pk was keep hit me until, my HP becomes too low and I get killed by monsters in Sausan. 

And, some of pkers just don't care about any and keep killing me over and over after I rez myself with newbie self rez potion. I had very small amount of HP after using the potion.  Don't they get any Penalty from killing same person 5 times in a raw?

 

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If they tag up and kill you, without you tagging up, they suffer a karma loss. Most players don't want to get their karma below 0 as guards will attack them in towns and they risk losing enhancements from their gear if they die. 

Your besy bet may still be to swap channels and/or find a group.

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This issue has occurred in MMOs since they started PvP. If you were killed and they stay there to get you again, don't go back for a couple of hours. Your avatar can log on to any 'channel', leave the game and come back on another one. Channel swapping is not something I agree with but here it is useful.

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Sausan garrison is a highly contested spot, expect other players.

Nothing happens without reason either so the question here is if you understand a few basics of the grind in bdo.

Rotation - a repeatable pattern of movement or action, in this case camps of mobs

Karma - a system that gives you points for killing monsters and subtracts points for killing players. The maximum karma is 300k, the minimum is -1m. Whenever you flag and hit another player, you immediately lose 3-5k(don't remember exactly) karma. Your name colour changes based on how much karma you have where dark blue is 300k, white is close to 0 and red is negative.

Contest - when a player or party attempts to take a already occupied spot. This is done by either killing the player there or by killing the mobs faster(outfarming)

Karmagriefing - the act of repeatedly dying to another player at the cost of their karma while aware of the mechanic.

I assume you either stepped into their spot, took mobs from their spot, them killing you for amusement, them killing you because of something you said in chat or you are in a guildwar.

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I assume you either stepped into their spot, took mobs from their spot, them killing you for amusement, them killing you because of something you said in chat or you are in a guildwar.

I don't think, newbies want to step in or try to steal high geared people's hunting spot.  Normally, I just solo grinding in small area for 15~20min, then suddenly, highly geared Sorc or Musa just attack from behind.  I don't know about before.  But, recently, there are too many Vet player pkers in Sausan.

I am still new, so I don't know exactly, why they kill newbies in Sausan.  But, it seems like some people just want to burn 300k positive karma in lowbie zone.  After they hunt/ bully newbies in Sausan, they go back to their hunting spot and grind until their Karma hit 300k again.  

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My first visit to Sausans I didn't know what I was doing and started killing stuff in one of the main lanes. Another player attacked me, though 'attack' is too strong a word; it was a warning. You know what I did? I left. That's when I found Elric Shrine, which was great for me. I was new, undergeared, and really had no business being at Sausans.

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My first visit to Sausans I didn't know what I was doing and started killing stuff in one of the main lanes. Another player attacked me, though 'attack' is too strong a word; it was a warning. You know what I did? I left. That's when I found Elric Shrine, which was great for me. I was new, undergeared, and really had no business being at Sausans.

For sure you shouldn't be at sausans when lower level at with crap gear. You get PK'ed or just outfarmed. Loads of other Mediah spots where you can grind and not get PK'ed every other minute.

However, the problem imo is the official combat promotion quests at 55+ . It leads new players to sausans and requires grinding full knowledge. That's something a new player naturally thinks he "needs" to do on his way to 56, because it's a "promotion" and Black Spirit guided him there lol 9_9

Main quests at highly contested areas is a terrible idea really.

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I don't think, newbies want to step in or try to steal high geared people's hunting spot.  Normally, I just solo grinding in small area for 15~20min, then suddenly, highly geared Sorc or Musa just attack from behind.  I don't know about before.  But, recently, there are too many Vet player pkers in Sausan.

I am still new, so I don't know exactly, why they kill newbies in Sausan.  But, it seems like some people just want to burn 300k positive karma in lowbie zone.  After they hunt/ bully newbies in Sausan, they go back to their hunting spot and grind until their Karma hit 300k again.  

Firstly, Sausans is a highly contested grind spot even for high level and high geared players where you will regularly need to PVP to hold a spot. You could find much more peaceful times at places like Manes, Rogues, Elrics, and Helms. If you do want to stay at Sausans, you need to learn what the main rotations are in Sausans, and avoid going into those rotations if you're not going to take the whole rotation. You probably thought you were killing your small area, but it was part of one of the main 3 rotations. Here's a video to show you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErxrMN2d4AM

The best thing you can do if you want to stay at Sausans is GROUP with players who are doing one of the big 3 rotations. Ask for group before you jump in and start killing mobs there, which is asking them to PK you. A lot of times they'll invite you. 

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I've been to Sausans a couple times when I had to do quests and get full knowledge of all the mobs there. Probably I'm lucky, but I never was PKed there even once. Each time I just found a group, typed "x" in chat and they sent me invites.

Had no problems with pirates' quests either.

By irony of destiny the only psycho sh*thead I even bumped into was in Valencia. Not a pleasant encounter at all, but in the end I believe that teenage creature lost more nerve cells than I did. :) Can't wait for bounty implementation to counter such jerks more efficiently.

 

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Most important things have been said above (yes, most likely you happened to be in a rotation of somebody else - or they wanted to steal the spot from you, which also happens a lot).

One thing I want to point out to you and other new players, too, though: Don't use those "self-rez potions" (elion's tear) in PvP! It is a waste of money since you don't lose xp when getting killed by another player. Especially if you resurrect and he kills you immediately again. Better rez at closest node and then decide if you want to go back and fight your killer prepared (e.g. using buff foods and elixirs or grouping up) or simply go to another spot or change channels. Use the elion's tears for cases where a mob killed you to get your xp loss back.

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Don't go there solo. Join a group farming or go to elrics. 

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I played the original Age of Conan at launch, when respawn camping was in full force and I left the client running for well over an hour when I got sniped by one. Whoever was doing it had no intuition or trepidation about killing me over and over like they were doing something intelligent or useful, the entire hour plus. I've also taken trial clones in noob ships through null sec gates in EVE over and over with the same result.

Don't underestimate the simpleton nature of this kind of PvP player. They will happily 'farm' you like you would farm a tree or Gold node that respawned immediately. And somehow in their mind it's still PvP.

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I was like you at start, but then I realized most higher leveled players just see you as an additional mob with absolutely zero respect. Let them kill you 5 times (don't use elion's tear, just respawn at node) and then they'll stop. However bear in mind it's impolite to ruin someone's rotation when they were there before you. However if some bully comes after you just to kick you out without asking for a group, do the above, after he kills you 5 times, he'll have to stop or everyone will go after him and he'll cry. Usually after that they switch or change rotation.

As for getting you low and letting the mobs kill you.. well that requires some practice. Once you get the hang of the mechanical aspect of the game, you can easily bait them into instakilling you (most of those players have 200+ ap which warranties an instakill if you lower your dp a bit). You can take off armor mid-fight, or just come armorless when they charge you. Or if you are a blocking class, block the mobs and let the guy flank you and shoot you to death. Or if you notice he put a damage over time on you, run and let it kill you. There's a lot of tactics how to avoid getting killed by mobs (even against infamous berserkers who can grab you to death). It just requires practice and will to teach bullies a lession. Btw they call this karmabombing, and many guilds frown upon it since it's considered griefing, but I personally support it. After all, the small people need to bite too! 

You'll also receive a lot of hate mail and messages if they go under 0 karma and their name starts being permanently darker red (making them attackable by anyone without penalty or flagging). It just makes everything more fun! And if you completely want to be in your own world, as someone mentioned - Elrics till 56 and after that Valencia spots. Tbh as of late, I only come to Sausans when I want to teach bullies a lession and only when i want to waste time. The efficiency of that spot is minimal due to a huge amount of people wanting piece of the same cake. And if you just need the quest done, well, there's parts of that fortress where no one farms (like near the sea), or near the gate, at the wall, or on the hilltop encampment.

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get more ap

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The efficiency of that spot is minimal due to a huge amount of people wanting piece of the same cake. And if you just need the quest done, well, there's parts of that fortress where no one farms (like near the sea), or near the gate, at the wall, or on the hilltop encampment.

This helps me with my question.  Do PK'ers "defending" their spot care if people kill the mobs on the outer limits??

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They do if it's part of their rotation. But if they're independent groups far away from rotations, they simply won't be bothered to waste a second of their precious rotation just to chase you.

The funny thing is, once you piss them off and they flag, they'll chase you and miss their rotation like twice even if they can't ever catch you (i used musa specifically for that).

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. I've also taken trial clones in noob ships through null sec gates in EVE over and over with the same reson

I just want to point out there is a major flaw in that analogy. in EVE people actually 'own' Null Sec (if you want to know what that is, google it) and they are defending their homes and keeping their borders tight so people can't slip in and gank their members grinding out ISK (EVE's in game currency). Even a trial account is a risk as you can see pretty much who is in the system and find out if they are mining or ratting and then log over to your main account, fleet up with your friends and go out and kill them...you simply don't want people to get that intel so you kill anyone not from your orginization because no-one is innocent in Eve

 

(there are no longer trial accounts these days, you can now do pretty much everything a paid account an do)

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I just want to point out there is a major flaw in that analogy. in EVE people actually 'own' Null Sec (if you want to know what that is, google it) and they are defending their homes and keeping their borders tight so people can't slip in and gank their members grinding out ISK (EVE's in game currency). Even a trial account is a risk as you can see pretty much who is in the system and find out if they are mining or ratting and then log over to your main account, fleet up with your friends and go out and kill them...you simply don't want people to get that intel so you kill anyone not from your orginization because no-one is innocent in Eve

 

(there are no longer trial accounts these days, you can now do pretty much everything a paid account an do)

There is no flaw in my analogy. The system was the HS Nul sec gate to Syndicate and I could have podded in and docked up at any of the stations to scout local. The optic threat was an excuse, just like 'turf' is here. If I showed proof to invalidate the cheese farming, they would manufacture a new one. PKers will PK for the plain and simple reason, they can. It's 99% of the time, boredom.

Yes, I am fully aware of Alpha clone and I am also aware that clone insurance went to the way of the dodo so using 5K isn't even needed.

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It's just like the real world, there are many different types of humans and players, they all have their reasoning and what they find fun or just, no need to pshycoanalyse this. Some days that player may be kind, other days he may treat you like a mob and mow you down. In the end it's a hunt for resources, and theres plenty to be found. When you get to that stage where you can fight back, then you'll have your fun, we've all been newbies, we all grow, and then we all decide who we wanna be.

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Also you always have the option to resurrect in town if you don't want to get killed repeatedly at the node.

On a side note, it's too bad there aren't more farming spots for 55-56 levels. Elrics, mane and rogue is little low in comparison to sausans which is really optimal to get to 56. You can also try at soldier's grave but enemies there are a lot harder than sausans for their levels. Even if a noobie decide to go to one of the lower level area and grind longer to 56, there are a lot of high AP players that farm these because they are really good for money at no effort on their part (if you take elrics for example at 600 comms for 10g).

My point is, maybe the money for higher level areas in Valencia or upcoming content should be better and/or not as good in lower level areas so that high ap/level players will move to content that is more suitable for them and leave the noobie content for noobies.

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Also you always have the option to resurrect in town if you don't want to get killed repeatedly at the node.

On a side note, it's too bad there aren't more farming spots for 55-56 levels. Elrics, mane and rogue is little low in comparison to sausans which is really optimal to get to 56. You can also try at soldier's grave but enemies there are a lot harder than sausans for their levels. Even if a noobie decide to go to one of the lower level area and grind longer to 56, there are a lot of high AP players that farm these because they are really good for money at no effort on their part (if you take elrics for example at 600 comms for 10g).

My point is, maybe the money for higher level areas in Valencia or upcoming content should be better and/or not as good in lower level areas so that high ap/level players will move to content that is more suitable for them and leave the noobie content for noobies.

As long as sausans is in the ballpark, lazy people will go for the low hanging fruit. Sausans is close to Velia/Altinova/Heidel and the usual PVP there involves puppy kicking instead of fighting other geared players. 

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I was like you at start, but then I realized most higher leveled players just see you as an additional mob with absolutely zero respect. Let them kill you 5 times (don't use elion's tear, just respawn at node) and then they'll stop. However bear in mind it's impolite to ruin someone's rotation when they were there before you. However if some bully comes after you just to kick you out without asking for a group, do the above, after he kills you 5 times, he'll have to stop or everyone will go after him and he'll cry. Usually after that they switch or change rotation.

As for getting you low and letting the mobs kill you.. well that requires some practice. Once you get the hang of the mechanical aspect of the game, you can easily bait them into instakilling you (most of those players have 200+ ap which warranties an instakill if you lower your dp a bit). You can take off armor mid-fight, or just come armorless when they charge you. Or if you are a blocking class, block the mobs and let the guy flank you and shoot you to death. Or if you notice he put a damage over time on you, run and let it kill you. There's a lot of tactics how to avoid getting killed by mobs (even against infamous berserkers who can grab you to death). It just requires practice and will to teach bullies a lession. Btw they call this karmabombing, and many guilds frown upon it since it's considered griefing, but I personally support it. After all, the small people need to bite too! 

You'll also receive a lot of hate mail and messages if they go under 0 karma and their name starts being permanently darker red (making them attackable by anyone without penalty or flagging). It just makes everything more fun! And if you completely want to be in your own world, as someone mentioned - Elrics till 56 and after that Valencia spots. Tbh as of late, I only come to Sausans when I want to teach bullies a lession and only when i want to waste time. The efficiency of that spot is minimal due to a huge amount of people wanting piece of the same cake. And if you just need the quest done, well, there's parts of that fortress where no one farms (like near the sea), or near the gate, at the wall, or on the hilltop encampment.

You Sir deserve a medal for this post!

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You Sir deserve a medal for this post!

Yea a Scumbag of the Year medal.

Please don't advocate Karmabombing. It's a more toxic practice than PKing players. This is an open-world PvP game. Nobody ever "owns" a spot, and the fact that you were there first is irrelevant. If someone comes along and contests you for it, then fight to keep it. If you lose then do the honorable thing and leave.

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Yea a Scumbag of the Year medal.

Please don't advocate Karmabombing. It's a more toxic practice than PKing players. This is an open-world PvP game. Nobody ever "owns" a spot, and the fact that you were there first is irrelevant. If someone comes along and contests you for it, then fight to keep it. If you lose then do the honorable thing and leave.

Plus note that some people will go negative and slaughter you repeatedly without complaining at all just to watch your little strategy fall apart like the guy I'm quoting. LOL

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I like the Steel Daggers that the Rogues drop, I see no reason why someone would have to post being killed in a pvp territorial fight, It's a pvp game after 50.

However the Lil Black dude sending folks to fulfill a quest at the Sausans is part of the awakening process, is it the correct path to follow?

Prolly not from the pk'd players stand point, but from the black spirit it is and we all know that the black spirit is a F'd up lil dude.

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