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Are enchant rates so bad?

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Friends playing for long telling me ~20fs is good to DUO some crappy noob gear (Aad sphere from Altinova, Grunil armor..) yet I'm sitting on 2 chars with ~40fs from ~18-20 fail fail fail.. what can I expect on actual decent gear then???

 

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I usally do DUO with 15-22. Even on Boss items.

You just had a really bad streak. Save those and start over with another alt. 

 

Edit: I also had alot of these these days when i can't enchant anything no matter the failstacks.

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Save, take another alt. 

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This is the 2nd day in a row though. First I had the PRI sphere (crappy green Aad from Altinova npc), saved ~20fs to try to DUO, reached 38fs.. still PRI. Today I go on alt to save those 38fs, just on a PRI GRUNIL ARMOR, and here I am with 40fs on the alt.. and 13.5kk on my wh -.- (I just started 3-4 weeks ago)

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Sometimes it just sucks, can't be helped. Got 2 60 FS and a 50 with trying nouver to Duo. Then it worked with a 20 FS ...

Made good use of the other FS so nothing is really lost, it's just frustrating. This frustration is the one thing that makes ppl quit the game. I don't really mind it cause I know that it will work the next time :D 

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2 x 40 stacks are , at least, a good way to TRI

but obviously wasting so many concentrated stone is not good for mental stability.

 

I'm with you: i had in the past such a bad streak that i stopped enchanting for 2 weeks

 

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2 x 40 stacks are , at least, a good way to TRI

Failing to TRI will drop me back to PRI though, right?

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2 x 40 stacks are , at least, a good way to TRI

but obviously wasting so many concentrated stone is not good for mental stability.

 

I'm with you: i had in the past such a bad streak that i stopped enchanting for 2 weeks

 

40 stacks are close to maximum what you want to waste for TRI on green gear... 45 is already TET stack...

And that many fails on DUO are common thing for me as well... RNG just sucks... Some people get carried by it and others are just losing health over it...

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Friends playing for long telling me ~20fs is good to DUO some crappy noob gear (Aad sphere from Altinova, Grunil armor..) yet I'm sitting on 2 chars with ~40fs from ~18-20 fail fail fail.. what can I expect on actual decent gear then???

Imagine that enchanting is rolling a 10-sided die (for example).

Without FS, you would need to roll a 1 to succeed.

With 20 FS, you would need to roll a 1 or a 2 to succeed.

With 35 FS or more, you would need to roll a 1, a 2 or a 3 to succeed.

 

The tip with 20 FS is just a good starting point, based on the FS cost and the increased chance that you get.

 

No matter what you do, rolling a 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or a 10 will still result in a fail.

Now your question could be rephrased as "when can I expect to roll a 1, 2 or 3 with a 10-sided die?" which nobody can answer you. You CANT expect  anything, it's still a die roll. 

 

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Friends playing for long telling me ~20fs is good to DUO some crappy noob gear (Aad sphere from Altinova, Grunil armor..) yet I'm sitting on 2 chars with ~40fs from ~18-20 fail fail fail.. what can I expect on actual decent gear then???

 

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I am sitting on 5 toons with 30 FS's from ONE +15 Saiyer Knot failing. I started each one on Reblath to +11. Then went from there on a Green Weapon to +20. This thing has failed to go PRI at least 9 times now with more than 20 FS.

I have never seen RNG this bad on any previous item, but as someone above said, it is just a bad streak.

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I am sitting on 5 toons with 30 FS's from ONE +15 Saiyer Knot failing. I started each one on Reblath to +11. Then went from there on a Green Weapon to +20. This thing has failed to go PRI at least 9 times now with more than 20 FS.

I have never seen RNG this bad on any previous item, but as someone above said, it is just a bad streak.

According to rules of probability and statistics, this is expected to happen around every 10% of all "9 enchantments in a row" (roughly).

So you probably haven't seen a lot RNG in this game, or you had tremendous luck so far, that failing a bunch of times in a row seems so strange to you.

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According to rules of probability and statistics, this is expected to happen around every 10% of all "9 enchantments in a row" (roughly).

So you probably haven't seen a lot RNG in this game, or you had tremendous luck so far, that failing a bunch of times in a row seems so strange to you.

I have seen a ton of RNG in this game and have enchanted 5 different classes full gear up to at least DUO. 

Your odds are off. Use a Bernoulli Trial equation to calculate 9 independent trials in a row all failing with 45% chance of success. This data is from the chart that has circulated from Korea that says that your base chance of PRI is 15% and that every additional FS adds 1.5% up to a capped max at 25 FS of 52.5%. Thus, at 20 FS I have a 45% chance of success with each attempt.

Even assuming all 9 of my trials were at the base 20FS (some were higher), the odds of missing all 9 are less than 1%. The actual number is 0.4605%. 

This is staggeringly bad RNG.

If I had started on the PRI at 0 FS, yeah, it would be easy to fail 9 in a row- that happens all the time.

Edited by Grizabella

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I have seen a ton of RNG in this game and have enchanted 5 different classes full gear up to at least DUO. 

Your odds are off. Use a Bernoulli Trial equation to calculate 9 independent trials in a row all failing with 45% chance of success. This data is from the chart that has circulated from Korea that says that your base chance of PRI is 15% and that every additional FS adds 1.5% up to a capped max at 25 FS of 52.5%. Thus, at 20 FS I have a 45% chance of success with each attempt.

Even assuming all 9 of my trials were at the base 20FS (some were higher), the odds of missing all 9 are less than 1%. The actual number is 0.4605%. 

This is staggeringly bad RNG.

I have no idea what you are talking about, the dude I referred to was enchanting a +15 item, was not talking about PRI.

Apart from that, what you said sounds about right. From 100.000 players, 500 players should fail 9-10 PRIs in a row at even maximum FS. So still nothing unusual.

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It's all RNG. I have gotten DUO on 18 stacks and +15 took 36. I have failed a pri witch's with over 40 failstacks and a friend just got a pri cadry ring using 0 stacks.

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Friends playing for long telling me ~20fs is good to DUO some crappy noob gear (Aad sphere from Altinova, Grunil armor..) yet I'm sitting on 2 chars with ~40fs from ~18-20 fail fail fail.. what can I expect on actual decent gear then???

 

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i got 60fs on duo

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Long and short, OP. Yes, it's that bad.

The difference between "good" gear as you put it and green is, the "good" gear requires memory fragments to repair and 20 durability to 100 will cost 40 Memory Fragments or 30 million silver. Green stuff can be repaired with duplicates. If you tried repairing even Liverto with duplicates it would run you 70 mill in items from 20 to 100.

 

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If I fail to TRI this it will go back to PRI, right?

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If I fail to TRI this it will go back to PRI, right?

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Some cron stones will give a RNG chance of that not happening

Linky to Cron Stones

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Rng in this game blows I've yet to enchant anything that hasn't cost tens to hundred million more then just buying it. Too bad buying stuff is rng as well

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Reason i force everything past +10

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With everything else I'm stuck with the same bad RNG many people face however I have never ever had a problem with getting duo on anything I usually do duo at 0 stacks and it pops duo after a couple attempts so I don't even bother with fs for duo but everything else is just terrible

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Some cron stones will give a RNG chance of that not happening

Linky to Cron Stones

Aren't those only from events?

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Aren't those only from events?

Can buy from the armor/repair dude. 

1 mil each is why theyre only practical for low cost items. When using them to enchant you need basically 1 cron stone per 1 million of value of the item. 

 

So an item worth 1.7 billion would require another 1.7 billion in cron stones to *maybe* keep from downgrading lol

 

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save them stacks for a tri as duo is a max of 25.

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Posted (edited)

Let me complain bout my cheap stack real quick

 

If u like to focus on the now, this is not the game for you.

Edited by GamePois0n

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