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Accessory Enhancement Rage


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I rolled a few dice and I didn't roll a six, while I've seen other guys rolling a six.

HELP my dice is broken, how can this be possible? As far as I understand it, randomness means, I get my enchant at 100% success ? Or not ?!?!?

 

... it's really beyond my imagination how people still don't get what RNG means. BDO players have never played a dice game or a card game in their life. They also must think, if they play lottery and lose 10 times in a row... it's "broken" lol

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I rolled a few dice and I didn't roll a six, while I've seen other guys rolling a six.

HELP my dice is broken, how can this be possible? As far as I understand it, randomness means, I get my enchant at 100% success ? Or not ?!?!?

 

... it's really beyond my imagination how people still don't get what RNG means. BDO players have never played a dice game or a card game in their life. They also must think, if they play lottery and lose 10 times in a row... it's "broken" lol

The problem with your examples are that for dice rolls and lottery the chances are clear and easily explained.

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I just blew approximately 2,5 billion for trying to upgrade a simple tree spirit belt to TRI with more than enough failstacks for each stage. I have absolutely nothing left now and am beltless. Right after my crisis and in the middle of my desperation, I saw a few TRI tree belt success messages on my screen of random players. One of them succeeded without no fails until TRI at all and succeeded the TRI attempt with only 35 failstacks. Something died inside of me, I'm not the same as before any more. I am SO tilted right now, it's insane.

grats

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I failed my awekening to tri 8 times so i just yolo'd and went for tri ogre. Its not like i made 50fs from reblath and one tapped tri ogre xD  

This game is all about raging over enhanting and later gaining something really good.

yea right like 8 tri awak fails can be even considered rage enchanting... Thats nothing and cost pathethic low ammount of money/resources...

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Stop crying srsly

 

anything beyond duo is playing with Fortuna. Sometimes you get Lucky sometimes you dont.

Complaining about it wont solve anything. Having 2,5B lets me think you know how this game works, then you should know that going to enchant something doesnt give you an upgrade in anycase

 

Rng is always itchy with a capital B before it, so make her drunk and ....

Would still smash~

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The problem with your examples are that for dice rolls and lottery the chances are clear and easily explained.

There's no difference, everyone knows it's not 100%, no matter how many FS. E.g. they try PRI and know it's 50% but still act like it's magic when they fail 5 times in a row.

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People need to learn there's a diminished return on failstacks. If you go over your odds of succeeding go down. There is a "hotspot" for every item in the game.

source

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source

lol... his source is common sense. obviously, building up higher FS costs more. you wouldn't invest 100mil worth of FS into a 10mil item, obviously that's why there are diminished returns.

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Lol its funny how everyone is complaining about accessories...meanwhile:

two tri crescents succeeded, with 1 fail at tri, no fails at duo and 1 fail at pro. 1 shot tri rce...

But my tri dandelion simply won't hit tet....pushing 51/51/86 stacks.

maybe i should stick to accessory enchanting.

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lol... his source is common sense. obviously, building up higher FS costs more. you wouldn't invest 100mil worth of FS into a 10mil item, obviously that's why there are diminished returns.

He said that " If you go over your odds of succeeding go down" which is obviously bs.

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He said that " If you go over your odds of succeeding go down" which is obviously bs.

Not sure what he meant by that. Word by word, it's BS yea. But overall it means, you first need to succeed building those FS, and then succeed enchanting the real thing. Means, "getting 30 FS at all cost then enchant" could indeed be worse than "get 20 FS then enchant". You need to view the whole process, and value FS in silver properly.

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TFW you fail kzarka to tri 14 times and consider yourself lucky

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Not sure what he meant by that. Word by word, it's BS yea. But overall it means, you first need to succeed building those FS, and then succeed enchanting the real thing. Means, "getting 30 FS at all cost then enchant" could indeed be worse than "get 20 FS then enchant". You need to view the whole process, and value FS in silver properly.

I think that is called (literally traduced from my mothertongue to english) "decreased marginal gaining". The more you push, the less gain you have per push.

It is very, very common, not only in games...

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I know it has already been said, but never do accessories without a backup. If you fail, you may not gain, but you wont lose anything. If i had the silver, I wouldn't even do boss gear without a backup.

Makes sense that there are diminishing returns, and there are sweet spots. But what do you do with those stacks that pass the sweet spot? Can't just not use them.

Last week after failing duo ogre, duo tungrad, tri seraps(starting at 41 stacks) I said to hell with it, went for some tet boss gear. All failed, nbd, expected it.

what I did not expect was 75 concentrated weapons stones later, main hand and awakened weapon at duo and pri. After about 150 concentrated weapon stones, gloves, helm, chest at tri, boots at duo. 

All very low durability. My initial tet stack is 73, and from duo/tri attempts I have a 51 stack and 2x 46 stacks, I'm just about broke and only have 9 concentrated armor and 2 concentrated weapon left. I imagine it is still going to be 2 weeks before I am back to the same GS i had before.

If I ever get the balls to use that 73 stack, I am doing it one at a time.

Very frustrating. I know ppl have had worse luck, but damn. I know I need to keep gathering, but I have no motivation to do so.

Good time to take a break and play ME4. I'm not done with the game, but I am damn sure frustrated.

Meanwhile, I have guild mates that as so blessed with RNG they can make money off it. One gets so many boss drops that he counts on them for money, and another has made 5 tri basi belts specifically for the purpose of selling them.

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...you first need to succeed building those FS, and then succeed enchanting the real thing.

Imo what  you said nails exactly whats wrong with the FS system. Fail stacks should reduce RNG by giving you better chances when having bad luck streaks. But our fail stack system does the opposite, it adds even more RNG by forcing us to gamble for near max fail stacks before even trying to enchant the item we want to upgrade... bad design.

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Imo what  you said nails exactly whats wrong with the FS system. Fail stacks should reduce RNG by giving you better chances when having bad luck streaks. But our fail stack system does the opposite, it adds even more RNG by forcing us to gamble for near max fail stacks before even trying to enchant the item we want to upgrade... bad design.

Nope, nothing wrong. You guys are just not using common sense, but try to hunt a virtual "FS" number given in some online guide, by focusing 99% of your effort in enchanting useless stuff, making the failing your primary goal, which is ridiculous.

The solution to your "problem" is simple: If you have too much trouble getting FS - use less.

After all, FS *increase* your chance. If you decide to use high FS on trash gear to get even more - that's your decision.

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I just pre-orderer a TRI tree belt for 1 bil.

just saying.

grats on TRI belt.

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Nope, nothing wrong. You guys are just not using common sense, but try to hunt a virtual "FS" number given in some online guide, by focusing 99% of your effort in enchanting useless stuff, making the failing your primary goal, which is ridiculous.

The solution to your "problem" is simple: If you have too much trouble getting FS - use less.

After all, FS *increase* your chance. If you decide to use high FS on trash gear to get even more - that's your decision.

I think you are right about many of us stacking too high and wasting silver that way. But what I ment was that fail stacks should be there mainly to help the unlucky people, like those 1-2% that fail TRI 15+ times. But they dont do that.

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I think you are right about many of us stacking too high and wasting silver that way. But what I ment was that fail stacks should be there mainly to help the unlucky people, like those 1-2% that fail TRI 15+ times. But they dont do that.

It depends if those people want to stop at TRI or not. If not, they will benefit of the high FS when going for TET attempts. If they want to stop at TRI, yes it's just a waste then. But the RNG can't "know" what the player wants ;)

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I just blew approximately 2,5 billion for trying to upgrade a simple tree spirit belt to TRI with more than enough failstacks for each stage. I have absolutely nothing left now and am beltless. Right after my crisis and in the middle of my desperation, I saw a few TRI tree belt success messages on my screen of random players. One of them succeeded without no fails until TRI at all and succeeded the TRI attempt with only 35 failstacks. Something died inside of me, I'm not the same as before any more. I am SO tilted right now, it's insane.

i feel u my friend. Next one will work :D

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