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So with this new patch recently it has made declaring war on annoying people next to impossible. The patch notes said that a guild without any nodes could declare war on any guild, however that's not the case. I am the GM of my own small 3 man guild just for the purpose of being able to declare war on people interfering with my grind spots. So I should be able to declare war on any guild right? Nope, even after looking up some guilds that said aren't ready for war yet, they were larger guilds that didn't own a node and even when I don't own a node I cant declare on them.

If there is something I'm not understanding here, please do tell. Or how about we just remove the whole restrictions on declaring shall we? You know what you sign up for when you make a guild, I know I did. This whole restriction on war is just swarming the channels with unintentional griefing. Once someone runs out of karma and they cant flag up anymore, what are they supposed to do when they cant dec? Something here has to change.

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Once someone runs out of karma and they cant flag up anymore, what are they supposed to do when they cant dec?

 

Find another grind spot/switch channels? 

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The only way to fight karma greifers is to not care about karma. 

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I am the GM of my own small 3 man guild just for the purpose of being able to declare war on people interfering with my grind spots. So I should be able to declare war on any guild right?

3 man guild? Is'nt that just a clan and not a guild?

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Once someone runs out of karma and they cant flag up anymore, what are they supposed to do when they cant dec?

 

Find another grind spot/switch channels? 

I get that this is an option but to kill someone until you run out of karma and then they get your spot is a pretty bad system if you ask me. Need to make it so that there is a karma loss cooldown on one specific person so if they come back within a set time limit and you kill them, you don't lose karma. This way you have time to grind your karma back up while still being able to hold down the spot that you have had for god knows how long.

The only way to fight karma greifers is to not care about karma. 

Normally I wouldn't care about karma, but with all the negatives like downgrading gear on death and getting sent to jail. It's just not great for someone who isn't godly geared to run around as a red player.

3 man guild? Is'nt that just a clan and not a guild?

You can skip the clan phase so long as you have the 200k. Don't know why clans exist to be honest but it's not my game so.

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You can skip the clan phase so long as you have the 200k. Don't know why clans exist to be honest but it's not my game so.

Aah ok. Did'nt know that.

 

Then i have no idea why it's not working.

They have had stuff in the patchnotes before that was'nt added yet so i guess that is maybe why. 

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So with this new patch recently it has made declaring war on annoying people next to impossible. The patch notes said that a guild without any nodes could declare war on any guild, however that's not the case. I am the GM of my own small 3 man guild just for the purpose of being able to declare war on people interfering with my grind spots. So I should be able to declare war on any guild right? Nope, even after looking up some guilds that said aren't ready for war yet, they were larger guilds that didn't own a node and even when I don't own a node I cant declare on them.

If there is something I'm not understanding here, please do tell. Or how about we just remove the whole restrictions on declaring shall we? You know what you sign up for when you make a guild, I know I did. This whole restriction on war is just swarming the channels with unintentional griefing. Once someone runs out of karma and they cant flag up anymore, what are they supposed to do when they cant dec? Something here has to change.

Tbh I dont think that would make a difference. That swarm of griefers would just go guildless, if they removed the system with protected guilds. That's what they do normally, if a war somehow goes through. They instantly leave their guild so they can keep going. They would miss out on free combat&life skill buffs through, so that's at least something.

No clue why you cant dec those guilds. Try writing a ticket. Maybe you'll get a belittling copy-paste reply. But if lucky they'll investigate why the war system isn't working. Could be a bug with a translated Korean patch.

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Once someone runs out of karma and they cant flag up anymore, what are they supposed to do when they cant dec?

 

Find another grind spot/switch channels? 

Answer of a karma bomber

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U can declare on every guild, u just have to retract on every guild first and then u can declare on a griefer guild 

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Answer of a karma bomber

Nope, if I can't defend my rotation, I move. It's braindead simple to me

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Answer of a karma bomber

"Karma Bomber" dosn´t exist, because no on can force YOU to - Karma BESIDE YOUSELF!!

The Term "Karma Bomber" is a Invention from People without self-control and anger-management, so they looked for ways to blame the others for their own actions.

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Karma bombing is a thing so long as griefing is a thing. The only thing you can do to get someone out of your spot is to flag on them (implying they cannot be dec'd on). That's literally what flagging is in the game for. If someone is going to continually get killed by someone, knowing that eventually the person "winning" these altercations is going to be penalized by it, you are karma bombing. Just saying that the only reason you have low karma is because you are the one killing someone, even though they have every right to, doesn't mean they aren't being karma bombed.

The karma system that should be in place should be to protect the weak, not the cowards.

Nope, if I can't defend my rotation, I move. It's braindead simple to me

This is how a lot of people should see things. I'm a strong believer in killing whoever is grinding before I even touch a mob in a rotation without even a hesitation to flag up. If I lose, so be it. However, if I am defending a spot and someone kills me via flagging up and taking the spot, I'm not against going back, FLAGGING UP MYSELF, and trying to take it back. Not just continuing to grind the spot even though I lost it fair and square. This is not griefing, even though most people seem to think it is. I flagged up and I am the one risking my karma at this point.

Tbh I dont think that would make a difference. That swarm of griefers would just go guildless, if they removed the system with protected guilds. That's what they do normally, if a war somehow goes through. They instantly leave their guild so they can keep going. They would miss out on free combat&life skill buffs through, so that's at least something.

No clue why you cant dec those guilds. Try writing a ticket. Maybe you'll get a belittling copy-paste reply. But if lucky they'll investigate why the war system isn't working. Could be a bug with a translated Korean patch.

This is why the karma system needs to have a cooldown on a specific person. A system where if you have just killed someone via flagging up and losing karma on them, when they come back you should be able to kill them without penalty. This would give you a chance to defend your spot and grind back the karma you lost on them in the meantime. Then after a specific amount of time has passed you would then have to lose karma on them again. Such an easy solution to stop griefing.

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This is why the karma system needs to have a cooldown on a specific person. A system where if you have just killed someone via flagging up and losing karma on them, when they come back you should be able to kill them without penalty. This would give you a chance to defend your spot and grind back the karma you lost on them in the meantime. Then after a specific amount of time has passed you would then have to lose karma on them again. Such an easy solution to stop griefing.

KR has just put in place a system like this to my understanding. Hopefully it will come to NA sooner rather then later. 

 

Basically the change was that after you flagged and killed someone, you could continue to kill them karma free for the next 10 minutes.  So for 10 minutes all you had to pay in karma was the -70k for killing them once. 

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KR has just put in place a system like this to my understanding. Hopefully it will come to NA sooner rather then later. 

 

Basically the change was that after you flagged and killed someone, you could continue to kill them karma free for the next 10 minutes.  So for 10 minutes all you had to pay in karma was the -70k for killing them once. 

That's the exact thing we need. I think 10 minutes is a little short to be grinding back that much karma since they can get back up at the closest node (not to mention tear karma bombing), but we are moving in the right direction if that is coming our way.

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this topic never gets old, for the ever same reasons: Opinions, everybody has one.

Karma bombing is a thing so long as griefing is a thing. The only thing you can do to get someone out of your spot the spot you want, because just like the karmagriefer, you dont want to switch channels, is to flag on them (implying they cannot be dec'd on), or communicate with them politely, or group up.

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this topic never gets old, for the ever same reasons: Opinions, everybody has one.

Let's just pretend we aren't on the internet and communicating politely actually works more than 5% of the time, when in reality someone who is GRIEFING has already answered whether or not they would leave or not. Asking politely would only work on someone who you wouldn't need to ask.

Grouping is not viable in solo spots, and if it is a larger spot but you've been winning the fights against the karma bomber why would you want someone to hop in your backpack? You cant secure the spot, you don't deserve it. Kind of common sense really.

Also I would love to be able to just keep killing a griefer to be honest. PvP is my main source of fun in this game. There is just no penalty for the one dying... which seems ass backwards to be honest.

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"Karma Bomber" dosn´t exist, because no on can force YOU to - Karma BESIDE YOUSELF!!

The Term "Karma Bomber" is a Invention from People without self-control and anger-management, so they looked for ways to blame the others for their own actions.

That's exactly what I tell them... I am like I'm not forcing you to PK me... your choosing to...so they are Karma bombing themselves. But oh well let them QQ haha

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