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How is the game P2W


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  1. 1. Is the game p2w

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artisans memories. easily.

prove me wrong,

protip: you can't

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artisans memories. easily.

prove me wrong,

protip: you can't

I can, you just can reach +20, even with $$, as everyone else.

Prove me wrong.

protip: you can´t

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I can, you just can reach +20, even with $$, as everyone else.

Prove me wrong.

protip: you can´t

of course you can.

but by spending 3x the amount of silver, therefor requiring you to spend 3x the amount of time grinding, thus requiring you to spend 3x your time to do something that someone who spent money did much quicker

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of course you can.
but by spending 3x the amount of silver, therefor requiring you to spend 3x the amount of time grinding, thus requiring you to spend 3x your time to do something that someone who spent money did

And....?

So you need a bit more of Time..... great...... thats it?

You just perfectly described "pay2convenience"...... which has absolutely nothing to do with p2w.

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So any game that has a F2P intro model with a subscription to unlock the full game is P2W? What's P2P?

this is one of the most interesting and relevant questions i've ever heard about the subject

P2P is: you pay for the game [and/or a subscription] and get access to the full game; what affects your position in the game is purely how much and how you play in the game. (in other words, two players who play the same way, for the same time, will always be equal)

that being said, "F2P" is misleading here, because F2P games just mean cash-shop heavy games (some games can do it w/o being P2W. see: DotA2). an "F2P intro model" in a game that's, ultimately, P2P doesn't make much sense. what you're talking about is... well... a demo. you get a small part of the game to see what's up, but the game itself is locked away from you until you buy it.

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this is one of the most interesting and relevant questions i've ever heard about the subject

P2P is: you pay for the game [and/or a subscription] and get access to the full game; what affects your position in the game is purely how much and how you play in the game. (in other words, two players who play the same way, for the same time, will always be equal)

that being said, "F2P" is misleading here, because F2P games just mean cash-shop heavy games (some games can do it w/o being P2W. see: DotA2). an "F2P intro model" in a game that's, ultimately, P2P doesn't make much sense. what you're talking about is... well... a demo. you get a small part of the game to see what's up, but the game itself is locked away from you until you buy it.

As long as RNG is around there will never be equity. 2 ppl having 10 billion each enchanting their gear, one can end up with 2 PEN the other with nothing.

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And....?

So you need a bit more of Time..... great...... thats it?

You just perfectly described "pay2convenience"...... which has absolutely nothing to do with p2w.

imo we should start ignoring people who say "pay2convenience" because it's a word game. literally every advantage, ever, is convenient. if i used cash to buy weapons that killed everything in 1 hit, it would be very convenient. people who say "pay for convenience" are just playing stupid word games, then using said word game to justify why something isn't P2W.

you can't name a single cash-shop mechanic, in any game, ever, where buying something isn't convenient. why the ----- do you think people buy it in the first place? the fact that it's convenient doesn't mean it's not p2w.

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imo we should start ignoring people who say "pay2convenience" because it's a word game. literally every advantage, ever, is convenient. if i used cash to buy weapons that killed everything in 1 hit, it would be very convenient. people who say "pay for convenience" are just playing stupid word games, then using said word game to justify why something isn't P2W.

you can't name a single cash-shop mechanic, in any game, ever, where buying something isn't convenient. why the ----- do you think people buy it in the first place? the fact that it's convenient doesn't mean it's not p2w.

P2W would be buying +30 Boss-gear only for $$, or buying 1.000.000 HP Potions only for $$, other Games do that, hence they are called Pay2"WIN" Games!!

You are the one making stupid word games.

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And....?

So you need a bit more of Time..... great...... thats it?

You just perfectly described "pay2convenience"...... which has absolutely nothing to do with p2w.

AmagicalFishy explained what I was about to say perfectly;

And good luck winning against a NEET with a disposable unemployment check who spends 80% of it on BDO while grinding for 18 hours a day

Sure you can grind for 18 hours a day- but you won't ever be anywhere near someone also paying real money on shit like artisans memories, enhancing things to TRI, selling them on the market while spending 3x less than a regular player, guaranteed

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P2W would be buying +30 Boss-gear only for $$, or buying 1.000.000 HP Potions only for $$, other Games do that, hence they are called P2W Games!!

You are the one making stupid word games.

what? what do you mean how can you say this

if i buy 1.000.000 potions or +30 boss gear for $$, that's very convenient for me

i only see pay-for-convenience in what you're saying because those things are very convenient

xD

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P2W would be buying +30 Boss-gear only for $$, or buying 1.000.000 HP Potions only for $$, other Games do that, hence they are called Pay2"WIN" Games!!

You are the one making stupid word games.

Oh great- you can actually do that. Sell outfits (or value packs, outfits give better silver/dollar though), takes longer, but you don't have to actually play the game. essentially gives you the option to buy said gear for only $$

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what? what do you mean how can you say this

if i buy 1.000.000 potions or +30 boss gear for $$, that's very convenient for me

i only see pay-for-convenience in what you're saying because those things are very convenient

xD

Now you make yourself look really stupid.

 

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Now you make yourself look really stupid.

 

The only one who looks stupid here is the hypocrite going back on their whole "pay2convenience vs p2w" bullshit lol

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Now you make yourself look really stupid.

 

by using your logic xD

 

brb pancakes

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Oh great- you can actually do that. Sell outfits (or value packs, outfits give better silver/dollar though), takes longer, but you don't have to actually play the game. essentially gives you the option to buy said gear for only $$

Good luck with that, see you in 3 Years.

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Good luck with that, see you in 3 Years.

I dunno bro, 100 million a week for doing absolutely nothing other than spending money, guaranteed, because it's not like you have a schedule to worry about when buying the max limit of pearl items/week, seems pretty good to me

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by using your logic xD

 

brb pancakes

Having 1mio HP Potions or +30 Bossgear wile others who don´t pay can only have +20 Gear has nothing to do with "convenience".

But i guess you wasn´t even born when "P2W" Games became a Thing.

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imo we should start ignoring people who say "pay2convenience" because it's a word game. literally every advantage, ever, is convenient. if i used cash to buy weapons that killed everything in 1 hit, it would be very convenient. people who say "pay for convenience" are just playing stupid word games, then using said word game to justify why something isn't P2W.

you can't name a single cash-shop mechanic, in any game, ever, where buying something isn't convenient. why the ----- do you think people buy it in the first place? the fact that it's convenient doesn't mean it's not p2w.

People that are calling convenience items p2w are the ones playing stupid word games.  Call it what it is and stop trying to play on peoples emotions with these claims of p2w.

The one hit weapon in your example might be convenient but it is also p2w.  There are no p2w items on the cash shop in BDO.  There are only convenience items.  There is a difference.  What you are saying is no different than saying a butter knife is a gun because they are all made of metal.  They might all be made of metal but a butter knife isn't a gun.

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consider this example (it's unrealistic but it's the only way I could think of describing this to you dense -----s) situation:

let's say there's a pvp tournament coming up soon-

take two people and have them both start from nothing, they have one week to grind for silver. they both grind for 6 hours a day, at 10 million silver/hr, for 7 days.

they both have the same skill, and will for this entire thing, so it's not up to who is more skilled- they're both complete noobs let's say

at the end of the week, they both end up with 420 million silver.

one of them has to work with the silver they have, while another can use the cash shop
they're both forced to buy a +0 liverto, and +0 blue awakening weapon to enhance themselves
they both have the exact same luck (be it bad or good) when enhancing

the person who is working with what they have (non cash shop) manages to enhance both of their weapons to +15 for 125 million- they have some very bad luck, and end up failing a lot, and use 166 memory fragments for both weapons (black stone cost is irrelevant)

the person who is also using the cash shop, has the exact same bad luck, except, they bought artisans memories from the cash shop. this changed their 166 memory fragments (2 durability per each repair by default) into 55 memory fragments (6 durability per each repair with artisans memory), thus saving them 83 million silver.

they both buy the rest of their gear from the marketplace, but while the person not spending real money only has 295 million left to work with, the person who is spending real money has 378 million to work with- but wait, that's not all! they also decided they're going to spend some extra money, and sell some outfits in the marketplace, netting them an extra 100 million, bringing their total to 478 million. obviously, they're able to do a lot more with 478 million than someone with 295 million.

who's going to have the distinct advantage, thus winning this theoretical pvp tournament?

not pay2win? huh, that's weird.

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I'm so excited I finally get to join in on this fun.

I am convinced that Daum is run by the Most Intelligent Man in the World to develop the most advanced broad-spectrum psychometric manipulation system known to man.

I have never seen so many otherwise intelligent people suffer from dementia, mass delusions, hallucinations, stockholm syndrome and sudden-onset retardation as when they begin discussing the subject of Pay2Win in BDO. 

There are a few of us who pass Daum's battery of tests and come out unscathed. These are the unplugged, the awakened, the seers.

Then there are the masses and masses of bamboozled drones, incapable of processing simple information and performing rudimentary sequential logic due to Daum's sinister mind-control.

For example:

If Johnny buys and uses 200 Artisan memories for 80$, how much silver has he saved assuming 750k per Memory Fragment? (Answer: 300 Million Silver)

If Johnny buys 72$ of Balenos/Serendia/Calpheon Storage increases, how many Contribution Points has he saved assuming 1 CP per 2 storage slots? (Answer: 280 CP saved)

So, Johnny who has spent only $152 on the game has an extra 300m silver and 280CP to play with. 

Now children, what can we do with an extra 300m silver and 280CP? If you don't know, you might just be a scrub!

--

In addendum, I would like to thank the few of us who have been blessed with the gift of sanity in this sea of madness. Keep it up gents, we're breaking the conditioning!

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I'm so excited I finally get to join in on this fun.

I am convinced that Daum is run by the Most Intelligent Man in the World to develop the most advanced broad-spectrum psychometric manipulation system known to man.

I have never seen so many otherwise intelligent people suffer from dementia, mass delusions, hallucinations, stockholm syndrome and sudden-onset retardation when discussing the subject of Pay2Win in BDO. 

There are a few of us who pass Daum's battery of tests and come out unscathed. These are the unplugged, the awakened, the seers.

Then there are the masses and masses of bamboozled drones, incapable of processing simple information and performing rudimentary sequential logic due to Daum's sinister mind-control.

For example:

If Johnny buys and uses 200 Artisan memories for 80$, how much silver has he saved assuming 750k per Memory Fragment? (Answer: 600 Million Silver)

If Johnny buys 72$ of Balenos/Serendia/Calpheon Storage increases, how many Contribution Points has he saved assuming 1 CP per 2 storage slots? (Answer: 280 CP saved)

So, Johnny who has spent only $152 on the game has an extra 600m silver and 280CP to play with. 

Now children, what can we do with an extra 300m silver and 280CP? If you don't know, you might just be a scrub!

--

In addendum, I would like to thank the few of us who have been blessed with the gift of sanity in this sea of madness. Keep it up gents, we're breaking the conditioning!

truly woke

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P2W would be buying +30 Boss-gear only for $$, or buying 1.000.000 HP Potions only for $$, other Games do that, hence they are called Pay2"WIN" Games!!

You are the one making stupid word games.

Literally no such games exist cause noone would play them.

WTB more likes, I ran out. Can I p2w some likes please? :(

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Literally no such games exist cause noone would play them.

now watch him reply to you instead of the two other people that just shot him and every other "bdo isn't p2w" person down

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