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Dear Kakao ,

i started play this game 3months ago.

I though is have no problem and its best  game i have ever played. But now i understand why so many people quit  this game as well why so many people love this game.

Here are some biggest  problems i have and these are also problems which  makes me wanna quit.

 

1. Endgame geared players in farming spots for  new players. Everybody knows it... its weekend u go farm sausans with y frends  but after few minutes come lvl 60 players 200+ap .... a say "spot taken"

same  happens even on olvia chanels  when returning players  extremly overgeared go  farm gold in low lvl locations. Stupid is  there is so many options how u can  fix this ...but we still suffer cause u do nothing.

 

2. RNG on bosses  is crazzy and make people crazy. Pretty much  everybody knows  is ... every  guild got some "unlucky guys"  who plays  this game nolife   but even after hundreds of bosses and S knowledge ... still didnt drop desired  boss pieces.

Funny is  then come  new guy  1time ever  on boss in BOD ... no knowledge ,  die 15 x ... 7x hit   boss ..... got drop  Dande.  Everybody just say "lucker"  but in next 2weeks he drop another 2 pieces ... and then  guys  who play long time and didnt see single piece just wanna RAGEQUIT.

 

3. Market place  preorder, notification, bid  system ... pretty much everything u can make  much better. Nobody knows how it works ...and it makes pretty much everybody crazy.

 

4. solo /party play. Every gaming company  understand  that THE REASON  why are some games  as WOW  etc etc .... so popular and dont die  in years is  community and frends.

BOD is first mmo i play  where   SOLO is MUUCH BETTER EXP and MOney....  but  u know GUYS what will happend  after  that 3month of no life solo grind ?  people burn out ... and quit. { in my guild  left in last 2months  all  lvl 60players except 1}

and this model  is rly flawed cause u created system in which  STRONG players  are punished for helping new players ...

if 2players  would earn 90% exp  and drop is x1.5 would  be still not so attractive for strrongest players  but some poeple will start to play as duo .

if 3-4-5 players  wuold earn 80% exp  and drop is x 2/ 2.5/ 3 .... most OP players would still solo  BUT   we will see more  guild groops ... and that means  more NEW Players, more PVP  more players.

5. p2w problem- this is obvious u are just  too greedy.

cmon guys  there should be some reasonable MONEY   which if i pay i can enjoy game in its beauty without any restriction.

because i see every day  this discussion  on world/roleplay  channel. and as i see it both sides are right, because  is not 100% pay to win  BUT ...

biggest facor in this game  is TIME... pretty much if u not stupid, and if u play hard...not just chatting with frends  then only diff  betwen players is TIME...

 and those pearl items  gives u speed  boost, exp  boost,  farming faster,  farming more, more exp, more  slots, more weight, ....BUT i  am okey with this.

Problem is:

...lets do some math... so i come lets say from WOW, Aion, Tera ,

{ where i payed  subscribsions and sometimes some pets - 12-15 eur monthy +some pets/mounts = cca 200-250eur in year---and i was very very happy with that}

here in BOD  : 

1.Value pack - okey i get it  its like subscribsion ..iam okey  with that

2.  Pretty  much  must have for 90% players.  40eur for lazy t1ones or  350-500eur for 4x t4 ones ... if u unlucky  can be muuuuch more.

3. Weight+ inventory slots-  lets say u play  more chars or u reroll  {everybody do ..}  everybody is crazy when he  relize is NOT acc wide.

4. horses, breeding , skills, quality of life  items ...

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i would  have no problem if we need to pay  30 eur subscibsion fee  or if value pack price go to 30euro for month ... but if u ask from us more then 1000 eur just to enjoy  your game at full comfort and  speed ...  then it doesnt feels  right.

and  lets  consider this KAKAO:  in EU  play  a lot player from  POLAND, HUNGARY, CZECH, RUSSIA, SLOVAKIA, ROMANIA , BULGARY .... u have any idea  what is monthly  sellary in this country?

why do u think 90% of these players never buy anything form u ?  its in many cases 450-650eur ....  ??? woke up EU is not NA ...

90%  have to work  weeks  8hours  every day for yours  pets now that why they dont buy it...

once again ...i dont have problem with this model...but  guys  u should really STOP to COPY-PASTE  NA on EU .... go GOOGLE  most of EU  countries except  few rich  got 3-4-5 eur per hour. Then u will understand why  so few  people buy your stuff.

SOME PEOPLE SAY:   YES, but for such an amazing  GAME they deserve nice money... YES exactlly thats why  they should  make normal prices and start selling  their stuff ...

 

 

 

 

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And here we go, another confirmation that Valencia is pure bullshit.

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SOME PEOPLE SAY:   YES, but for such an amazing  GAME they deserve nice money... YES exactlly thats why  they should  make normal prices and start selling  their stuff ...

But they do sell cash shop items. . . And quite a lot of them as confirmed by Kakao's quarterly income statistics.

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makes me wanna quit.

Please do, tired of seeing people demand the game changes for them and then trying to justify their points by lying and claiming they speak for the majority. The game's doing well financially and is making more then the last quarter, this shows that people disagree with you. Please quit. :) 

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Aye aye, it's kinda late to Wake up now and i don't think they are willing to listen anyway.

It will take time before things change, better or worse, they'll change.

Let us keep an eye on the next rival that could shake BDO a bit. Ashes of ceation? Maybe?

Because as it is now, there's not really a better MMO out there (my opinion). Too many little scams in the middle of it tho.

 

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But they do sell cash shop items. . . And quite a lot of them as confirmed by Kakao's quarterly income statistics.

Could  be muuuch  more ... i was  in a  england  guild where lot of guys  was buying pearls. Then i was  in russian guild  now iam czech  guild .... from 200 players   in that 2guild  got 1player t3 pets .... others got  non  or t1.

to be honest ... i spend myself 150eur.

i would have no problem to spend more  BUT .... for what ?

35eur for skin ?  no way ...

or 400eur  for upgradin my t1 to t4 ?  no way ... its like food for me my wife and kids for 2months... shoudl i spend it on  stupid upgrade so my pets pick up faster ?

rly Kakao ?

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Aye aye, it's kinda late to Wake up now and i don't think they are willing to listen anyway.

It will take time before things change, better or worse, they'll change.

Let us keep an eye on the next rival that could shake BDO a bit. Ashes of ceation? Maybe?

Because as it is now, there's not really a better MMO out there (my opinion). Too many little scams in the middle of it tho.

 

No good ever comes from listening to children.

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No good ever comes from listening to children.

The correlation of that with your avatar is quite ironic

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People usually realize how much of a waste of time this game is around the 3-4 month mark, even compared to other mmos. So not surprised threads like this pop up every now and then.

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You guys have to admit tho that the cash shop is pretty expensive,not p2w,but expensive

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People usually realize how much of a waste of time this game is around the 3-4 month mark, even compared to other mmos. So not surprised threads like this pop up every now and then.

No.

i spend 8years playing Lineage2. Spend 5y playing WOW. Spend 3 years playing DOTA and stillplaing it.

i dont  write such a topic  after 3months,  if game is good i play it  till i desttroy  10x keyboards and 20mouses.

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Could  be muuuch  more ... i was  in a  england  guild where lot of guys  was buying pearls. Then i was  in russian guild  now iam czech  guild .... from 200 players   in that 2guild  got 1player t3 pets .... others got  non  or t1.

to be honest ... i spend myself 150eur.

i would have no problem to spend more  BUT .... for what ?

35eur for skin ?  no way ...

or 400eur  for upgradin my t1 to t4 ?  no way ... its like food for me my wife and kids for 2months... shoudl i spend it on  stupid upgrade so my pets pick up faster ?

rly Kakao ?

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? Or are you just like the other "dime-a-dozen" people that complain about the game and then say the company would sell a lot more of X if they made the game the way they want?

Because honestly, it sounds like a whole lot of bullshit.

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You guys have to admit tho that the cash shop is pretty expensive,not p2w,but expensive

Oh no, it is definitely P2W. People just like to pretend that its not so they can feel better about their spending  habits.

No.

i spend 8years playing Lineage2. Spend 5y playing WOW. Spend 3 years playing DOTA and stillplaing it.

i dont  write such a topic  after 3months,  if game is good i play it  till i desttroy  10x keyboards and 20mouses.

Well thats good for you.

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No good ever comes from listening to children.

Says who? Keep the salt in your plate please, there's a lot of soup to drink for you. Btw, would you mind telling me what message you wrote in "blind language" (idk the exact term) here?

The correlation of that with your avatar is quite ironic

It's ok let us be happy and enjoy ourselves while we still can heh? He must be unhappy because his favorite toy is being toyed trough the forum.

People usually realize how much of a waste of time this game is around the 3-4 month mark, even compared to other mmos. So not surprised threads like this pop up every now and then.

Thank you, i call it honeymoon phase, when it ends you say hello depression.

Oh no, it is definitely P2W. People just like to pretend that its not so they can feel better about their spending  habits.

Thank you n°2.

Please do, tired of seeing people demand the game changes for them and then trying to justify their points by lying and claiming they speak for the majority. The game's doing well financially and is making more then the last quarter, this shows that people disagree with you. Please quit. :) 

He is not lying dear fanboy, especially when it comes to P2W part.

Now let the waters of Nazareth flow.

 

 

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Oh no, it is definitely P2W. People just like to pretend that its not so they can feel better about their spending  habits.

I honestly see nothing inside the cash shop that could be deemed as P2W. You could MAYBE argue Artisan's Memory, but even that relies heavily on the player gather items in game to be able to be used.

Honestly, unless you can buy items like Ogre Rings or pieces of boss gear (Kzarka weapons, Dandilion weapons) directly from the cash shop, peoples justification about how this game is pay to win is folly.

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You guys have to admit tho that the cash shop is pretty expensive,not p2w,but expensive

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? Or are you just like the other "dime-a-dozen" people that complain about the game and then say the company would sell a lot more of X if they made the game the way they want?

Because honestly, it sounds like a whole lot of bullshit.

evidence for what man ?

u know  google ? go check, then come back ...  4-5 hundred eur per month is pretty much normal sallary  in many EU countries. its not like USA.  and prices are same.

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Please do, tired of seeing people demand the game changes for them and then trying to justify their points by lying and claiming they speak for the majority. The game's doing well financially and is making more then the last quarter, this shows that people disagree with you. Please quit. :) 

It's a mistake even replying to you...

Yes, the game is doing good financially, afterall this is the most important for the players right? Yes, the game is doing good financially, if the publisher's only interest is that. And it will keep doing good financially until it's left with 2k active players :) 

But then again, that's what matters the most, that the game (aka publisher) is doing good financially, am i right?

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Please do, tired of seeing people demand the game changes for them and then trying to justify their points by lying and claiming they speak for the majority. The game's doing well financially and is making more then the last quarter, this shows that people disagree with you. Please quit. :) 

stop defending the game you whiteknight. Hes 100% right.

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Honestly, unless you can buy items like Ogre Rings or pieces of boss gear (Kzarka weapons, Dandilion weapons) directly from the cash shop, peoples justification about how this game is pay to win is folly.

w8 w8 do we play same game? u can  buy OGRE ring for 95 mil ...and u can sell 5x  costume for 24 m ... do i miss something ?

i famr for ogre ring as new player 4-5 days ... u can buy 5x costume and buy   Ogre ing from marker with real money.

DO we really play same game?

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It's a mistake even replying to you...

Yes, the game is doing good financially, afterall this is the most important for the players right? Yes, the game is doing good financially, if the publisher's only interest is that. And it will keep doing good financially until it's left with 2k active players :) 

Then why make the mistake in the first place? Plunge, is the one person, on this entire forum, that makes even a lick of sense and uses logic to make his/her arguments instead of emotions.

evidence for what man ?

u know  google ? go check, then come back ...  4-5 hundred eur per month is pretty much normal sallary  in many EU countries. its not like USA.  and prices are same.

That they will DEFINITELY make MUCH more money per quarter than what they currently make.

Says who? Keep the salt in your plate please, there's a lot of soup to drink for you. Btw, would you mind telling me what message you wrote in "blind language" (idk the exact term) here?

The language is called Braille, and the word is Ghoul.

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That they will DEFINITELY make MUCH more money per quarter than what they currently make.

lol rly ?

u dont need evidence for this ... is clear that if game stay in current state ...people will leave  ..and lot of peopel will leave ...  for  those reason i wrote at beginning.

and if people  will leave ... then  ...? do i need to explain this even more?

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4-5 hundred eur per month is pretty much normal sallary  in many EU countries. its not like USA.  and prices are same.

That's actually kind of sad considering both the Euro and the GBP has lost a lot of its value.

 

lol rly ?

u dont need evidence for this ... is clear that if game stay in current state ...people will leave  ..and lot of peopel will leave ...  for  those reason i wrote at beginning.

and if people  will leave ... then  ...? do i need to explain this even more?

Yes, you do need evidence for these kinds of things, in business, they need to be able to predict these things in order to avoid financial suicide

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That's actually kind of sad considering both the Euro and the GBP has lost a lot of its value.

that has nothing to do with EU-GB problem ... in countries like poland,  czech,  romania, hungaria ... it was always like this  ... for like many many years .. people are just  poor there.

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Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? Or are you just like the other "dime-a-dozen" people that complain about the game and then say the company would sell a lot more of X if they made the game the way they want?

Because honestly, it sounds like a whole lot of bullshit.

It's the localisation costs which are bad for people like him. I'm sitting in the UK which has a minimum full time wage of  around £1140 per month. If he's sitting in the Czech Republic, their minimum full time monthly wage is around £285. That means the real cost of a cash shop item is 4x as expensive as it is for me, despite having the same listed cash shop price. That's pretty huge. 

When a game comes out, they tend to localise and the game is sold at different prices in different counties. If they didn't do this, the game would barely sell in certain countries. They might not make more money by reducing the cost of cash shop items for everyone, but for all those in the Czech guild, the asking price is a massive portion of their income. Paying for a value pack for one year is nearly the equivalent of a whole months wage...

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He is not lying dear fanboy, especially when it comes to P2W part.

Now let the waters of Nazareth flow.

Odd that neither you, nor anyone who keeps crying about P2W has been able to show how the game is P2W other than making a new definition for it and then claiming it's the only definition. One question though before you make a reply laced with insults and personal attacks, if the game was truly P2W and as bad as you claim it to be...why are you still here? Why is it the same people every day whining about how P2W the game is whilst still playing it? Oh, another question...why would Kakao HAVE to release Valk's Cry to prove me wrong, if the game was P2W surely I'd be wrong already; n'est ce pas? ;) 

It's a mistake even replying to you...

Yes, the game is doing good financially, afterall this is the most important for the players right?

It is, a game that is doing well financially is a healthy game which allows the publisher and developer tom focus on keeping their players happy rather than ensuring the game can be maintained. Company's need to make sure that they keep enough players happy that the game does well financially, seeing as revenue is high and increasing it shows that the game is doing well and that the majority of customers are happy. Please don't make the mistake of assuming that you're in the majority unless you have evidence to support you claim. 

until it's left with 2k active players :) 

Oh mr future man, please tell me what the lottery numbers are. If you want to be dramatic, try to be factual first. :) 

stop defending the game you whiteknight. Hes 100% right.

Ah sorry, wasn't aware people weren't allowed to have different opinions to you. Please report me straight away for this gross piece of negligence on my behalf. 

people will leave

Or they'll make threads whining about something and never actually leave? If I pot my hand on a searing hot pan, I remove it before I get burnt; I don't leave it then and then call the company to complain how their pan is searing my skin. :) 

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