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Future Disclaimer to BDO Devs

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5 years ago, Pearl Abyss released a Pre Alpha trailer for BDO. 5 years ago RSI released a pre Alpha trailer for Star Citizen.

5 years later, BDO left alpha, closed beta, open beta, released in Korea, then in Russia, then in NA and Europe, going on to released multiple expansions.
5 Years later, Star Citizen is STILL IN ALPHA.

So thank you Pearl, for being prompt, professional and dedicated. For putting out a crazy fun combat system, beautiful graphics and layered leveling.

Gonna go back to -----ing about RnG now. Just needed to get that off the table.

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Lol BDO still feels like its in Alpha though, just a poorly optimized piece of shit that shouldn't have been released to the public yet.

How I play BDO: Go AFK and then play another game on my console or watch TV. Just like the majority of the community does. 

Yeah, I'm still here, AFK training my horse all day and just checking in to feed my workers and see if my auto-path is still running correctly. Only times I actively play are to help out my guild in NW/Conquest. I play for my guild, not myself. A large number of people "play" the same way. AFK a life skill and just occasionally check in and that's the game you all "love" so much.

What you people don't seem to understand is that if you keep swallowing the shit that Kakao and PA feeds you, they're gonna keep feeding you shit. Sure, they've launched free expansions, but what did those expansions really bring to the table? Valencia, one of the biggest regions in the game and like 2 or 3 decent grind spots came out of it, not even better than pirates. Margoria? Yeah, that was cute for like a week or 2. Mediah? Sausans only area worth mentioning and is still even more relevant than newer content added. Events? Lmfao, not sure that the shit they give can even be considered an event, all you do is log in and occasionally you have to talk to like 2 NPCs or just spend loyalties. Kamasylvia or w/e on the way, an area that most of the player base won't be able to access cause you can't even upgrade your gear cause of lack of materials, the items you need always sold out and gathering enough for the next upgrade takes weeks if not months. A game where effort truly goes unrewarded, a game where luck trumps skill and effort, a game where new players are valued more than loyal players. Why? Cause this game is run by a company who only cares about the money those new players bring in and nothing else. They've made so much money off of us yet they can't even give us decent servers to play on. 

Stay blind to the fact that you're playing in an online casino cleverly disguised as an RPG.

I loved this game at first, I truly did. They made promises and broke them, they told us so many good things only to later go back and tell us its not happening anymore. I guess somewhere I still haven't truly given up on it, but I'm not going to pretend that this game has no faults.

Keep defending them, in a few months time you'll change your tune. If you're still even playing then, rofl.

 

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Lol BDO still feels like its in Alpha though, just a poorly optimized piece of shit that shouldn't have been released to the public yet

And yet here you are.

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Lol BDO still feels like its in Alpha though, just a poorly optimized piece of shit that shouldn't have been released to the public yet

It's actually a really good game if u don't look at the PVP and economy aspects of the game. For gameplay aspects BDO's got the best graphic and PVE though, but if BDO was to get further success the broken market system MUST BE FIXED ASAP and PVP balance should have a major overhaul.

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Funny how some of the pre-launch trailers made the game look a lot more fun. 

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It's actually a really good game if u don't look at the PVP and economy aspects of the game. For gameplay aspects BDO's got the best graphic and PVE though, but if BDO was to get further success the broken market system MUST BE FIXED ASAP and PVP balance should have a major overhaul.

I actually like the economy aspect.

 

Then again im rich as hell and a spreadsheet hero. 

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I actually like the economy aspect.

 

Then again im rich as hell and a spreadsheet hero. 

Well if ur so rich that u can pour in a gazillion $$$ into this game then what can I say.

Today's BDO has a cancerous economy that it's almost impossible to buy anything that's highly in demand

1. Some rich idiots just put up INSANE preorder price they buy up everything so the preorder system is basically non-existent

2. If u can't win the preorder u have to win a lottery against a gazillion competitors which u have an even WORSE CHANCE than preordering, much much worse that the chance's not realistic at all. If u have something u really want then u need to go full P2W mode trying to win that preorder war.

3. Because the PRICES ARE FIXED, AND THE TAX IS FREAGGIN 35%, u get only pitiful amount of silver when u sell. Thus nobody is stupid enough to even sell anything worthy(like a Orgre or a Dande) on this fraud market, making the SUPPLY EXTREMELY THIN.

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If the values of items weren't fixed, their prices would probably be around what others pre-order them for. Those that can't afford their actual value can try to get it for cheaper at the fixed price, but of course it should be fair to everyone so the bid system is a pretty good design imo. 

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If the values of items weren't fixed, their prices would probably be around what others pre-order them for. Those that can't afford their actual value can try to get it for cheaper at the fixed price, but of course it should be fair to everyone so the bid system is a pretty good design imo. 

No, ur completely wrong. This is what is happening right now

Right now u can only sell a Dande for 95 mil, so ppl are basically saying F this I'm not selling it. So the preorder price becomes INSANELY high because there's no supply, it goes like 500 mil or even or a bil for some class.

What if u can sell a Dande for 300 mil? Well more ppl are going to sell it so there will be MORE SUPPLY on the market, what this does is it will actually DRIVE THE PREORDER PRICE DOWN. So that with increased supply u only need to pay like 400 mil instead of 1 bil.

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Don't you love to rng your suck-aa?

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and yet somehow star citizen "earned" almost as much money while still in alpha than bdo did in eu + na.

on another note, judging by the logic of many bdo players, star citizen atleast wont be p2w, since you can work your ass off in the game for years to eventually buy those 3000$ spaceships with ingame money. 9_9

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Right now u can only sell a Dande for 95 mil, so ppl are basically saying F this I'm not selling it.

nope this is wrong

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Oh look, someone posts a positive thread and here's that troll @FapperJack trying to derial by moaning about the marketplace again, just like he does in *every single thread* he posts in. Get over it, it's not going to change just because you post about it 50 billion times a day.

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The forums seem to be filled with people who can't stand elements of this game.

It's just my opinion but I've played loads and loads of games over the last twenty or so years and it's the one I play the most. I've been playing since launch and still only have three chars over 56. There's so much to do, combat is fun (easy but fun), the graphics are mint and the costumes are great (expensive def). I love it and I can see me playing this for many moons to come. Admittedly the initial trailer seemed to show some things that we never got (male Ranger for one - come on K get him released) but it's the best game out there for me anyway.

Do things annoy - of course, I had to delete 16 characters on the server merge and wasn't really compensated for the time wasted and money lost but I still play every day.

My advice for in game - do the things you enjoy and don't do those you don't!

But by God there are some moaners on these forums who seem to hate the game - what I can't understand is if they feel so strongly why are they are still around?

No game will ever be perfect and I'd say there's still some charm in a few of the things they get wrong.

 

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Well if ur so rich that u can pour in a gazillion $$$ into this game then what can I say.

Today's BDO has a cancerous economy that it's almost impossible to buy anything that's highly in demand

1. Some rich idiots just put up INSANE preorder price they buy up everything so the preorder system is basically non-existent

2. If u can't win the preorder u have to win a lottery against a gazillion competitors which u have an even WORSE CHANCE than preordering, much much worse that the chance's not realistic at all. If u have something u really want then u need to go full P2W mode trying to win that preorder war.

3. Because the PRICES ARE FIXED, AND THE TAX IS FREAGGIN 35%, u get only pitiful amount of silver when u sell. Thus nobody is stupid enough to even sell anything worthy(like a Orgre or a Dande) on this fraud market, making the SUPPLY EXTREMELY THIN.

My friend, I believe you see things from the wrong side:

Cancerous economy is not the one that I cannot receive/buy the item I want. The best items in all games supposed to be difficult to buy/drop/find them. Do you want all the Warriors to run into Velia with the exact same set up and gear? The half of the players would leave the game at once.

In this game you can either

A) buy the basic material from Marketplace and craft them yourself, 

B) drop them and craft them yourself,

C) buy them enchanted and already crafted.

While the game moves towards the years, I see so many high Leveled enchanted items stacking up in the Marketplace and this is the real problem! 

For example: check how many Tetra - Liverto Longbows there are for sale and how many e.g. Tetra Liverto Kriegsmessers you see in there. The driven Low-High selling price, offers both safety and easiness. Nobody can manipulate the Market and for this we all must be grateful. On the other hand, players who may got bored with e.g. Rangers, and have top notch gear, I do not know if they will be able to sell their gear in order to buy gear for another class. As I said, this is the real problem as the time passes... More and more high end gear will stack up in the Marketplace with 0 demand.

1. Place your bet, and leave it. The pre-order System works as intended. They even let some space for the registered items to pass to the Marketplace as well. That means that you may be lucky and buy the item you want at its highest price without having to antagonize any pre-order offer.

2. RNG in Marketplace is a problem. I agree this should never have been implemented in the way they did it. I believe they already know it and they will change it. A fail-stack or a counting System will the job better without so much frustration.

3. The fixing prices help more than you know. With this System active, we avoid the manipulation of the Marketplace. You have more options to win the item as well. If you cannot win the item with the pre-order, what makes you thing you would win if Weapon you need would cost 3 Billion instead? As for the 35% tax, this applies only to the accounts that do not use Value Packs. The accounts with Value Pack active, pay about 15,5% taxes and not 35%. I am not saying that this is not a problem. I am saying that all those who care enough about how much money they will make through the Marketplace and they can afford it, they already pay for the Value Packs.

The forums seem to be filled with people who can't stand elements of this game.

No game will ever be perfect and I'd say there's still some charm in a few of the things they get wrong.

Well said friend, but that is why we leave out comments here. We are trying to make this game a better experience for all of us. Through discussion we can achieve this. If there is a simple implementation that annoys the majority of the players we must stand up and call for it. If the Devs ignore us, the servers will be empty when the next big thing comes out or even sooner. Check out Bless Online. The majority of the players called for the unresponsive combat system and for the p2w aspects and the Devs/Publishers heard them. They delayed the game's launch until they fix those issues.

I strongly believe there is at least one creative way to fix the 95% of the current problems the BDO have: Exchange Loyalty Points for Pearls. Then all the other aspects will settle down...

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Oh look, someone posts a positive thread and here's that troll @FapperJack trying to derial by moaning about the marketplace again, just like he does in *every single thread* he posts in. Get over it, it's not going to change just because you post about it 50 billion times a day.

I'm not really a moaner nor a troll, I actually said multiple times this game is the best among MMOs, it just happen that this game also have some fatal flaws like broken economy, cancer RNG, and shit PVP balance. Everything else I love though.

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And yet here you are.

Doesn't make my words any less true, just waiting to see what silicon studios has to offer.

Sure this game has its ups, but that doesn't mean you have to be blind to its faults and let's be honest, there are a lot

 

Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes, I know this game is "life" for some people, my apologies if I offended you

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As if BDO wasnt in an early alpha state still. It doesnt even feature player trading. Oh, sweet irony.

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If the values of items weren't fixed, their prices would probably be around what others pre-order them for. Those that can't afford their actual value can try to get it for cheaper at the fixed price, but of course it should be fair to everyone so the bid system is a pretty good design imo. 

Played games that have this kind of economy. Vindictus was such and example of this everything on MP had gold seller or gold buyer price tags and only the whales and the people that bought gold where able to get stuff. I know this because of a certain guild that openly talks about buying gold from gold sellers >.> Which for me seems unfair since I have been playing the game without doing this. 

In fact the sole reason I play this game Its because mp isn't been monopolize by a group of players that are either buying gold or are controlling the prices to there favor. Sure in vindictus they are changing things around and are now making the game more open to people but gold sellers and gold buyers are still there.

Oh look, someone posts a positive thread and here's that troll @FapperJack trying to derial by moaning about the marketplace again, just like he does in *every single thread* he posts in. Get over it, it's not going to change just because you post about it 50 billion times a day.

lol this is funny because it's true 

I'm not really a moaner nor a troll, I actually said multiple times this game is the best among MMOs, it just happen that this game also have some fatal flaws like broken economy, cancer RNG, and shit PVP balance. Everything else I love though.

You do realize most games have rng for a purpose it's not for what you think is for. I will give you a hint the house always wins rng is not there for you. On top of that a lot of games have broken economies because they are either controlled by gold buyers or gold sellers or elitist scrubs that are controlling the mp or economy. Only thing I do agreed with you is pvp and it is broken by certain classes.

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It is a very cool game and so much to do. I think the progression being rng based is my only real gripe.

Like imagine if when we level up there is a chance to level down. No game would do that. :/

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Well if ur so rich that u can pour in a gazillion $$$ into this game then what can I say.

Today's BDO has a cancerous economy that it's almost impossible to buy anything that's highly in demand

1. Some rich idiots just put up INSANE preorder price they buy up everything so the preorder system is basically non-existent

2. If u can't win the preorder u have to win a lottery against a gazillion competitors which u have an even WORSE CHANCE than preordering, much much worse that the chance's not realistic at all. If u have something u really want then u need to go full P2W mode trying to win that preorder war.

3. Because the PRICES ARE FIXED, AND THE TAX IS FREAGGIN 35%, u get only pitiful amount of silver when u sell. Thus nobody is stupid enough to even sell anything worthy(like a Orgre or a Dande) on this fraud market, making the SUPPLY EXTREMELY THIN.

I haven't spent IRL money in this game in ages. I bought 9 value packs via in-game marketplace pre-merge to stock up on them because I knew I would play this game for a long time and I have pretty much master in all the important lifeskills and master 8 trading. 

I can literally make 40m/day and I only have to play 2hrs out of the 24 hours because of M8 trade. My average income is 100m/day however since I don't just afk the day away.

What do I do for my income?

Culmination of multiple things.

Farming, AFK Fishing, AFK Processing, Imperial Cooking, Imperial Alchemy, and Grinding, Worker Income w/ 290contribution points. These are done all throughout the day. If i'm going to sleep longer than 5hrs, I AFK fish instead of AFK process

 

I also gatekeeper farm sometimes which is 25m/hr on average with a good party

 

If I afk fish. I afk fish in magoria because not only does magoria have an increased relic rate, it has 130-140% distance bonus on fish and with M8 trade I'm able to get over 300k silver per gold fish. It's on average 1.5m/hr

 

 

Here is an example of magoria fish turn in with master trade

Also, if you have a value pack tax is only 15.5%, not 35%

I'm rich because I play the game and I'm a spreadsheet hero and I optimize what I'm doing. It's fun to me. I don't even deal with RNG because I literally buy all of my gear. I have over 500 gearscore and I've literally only enhanced one TET item. The rest I have bought myself. 

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Lol BDO still feels like its in Alpha though, just a poorly optimized piece of shit that shouldn't have been released to the public yet

Then its the best Alpha i ever played since 1998.

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and yet somehow star citizen "earned" almost as much money while still in alpha than bdo did in eu + na.

Star Citizen hasn't earned crap. They've bilked investors, without earning a dime.

Star Citizen bilked (and continues to bilk) money out of suckers. Star Citizen will never see the light of day when it comes to an official release. It's crap. The business is crap. And will never go anywhere. They spend more money on big events for propaganda than they spend in actual development. Anybody who bought into that game are just suckers.

 

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Lol BDO still feels like its in Alpha though, just a poorly optimized piece of shit that shouldn't have been released to the public yet

lol.  Poor snowflake.   Nothing like alpha.

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I haven't spent IRL money in this game in ages. I bought 9 value packs via in-game marketplace pre-merge to stock up on them because I knew I would play this game for a long time and I have pretty much master in all the important lifeskills and master 8 trading. 

I can literally make 40m/day and I only have to play 2hrs out of the 24 hours because of M8 trade. My average income is 100m/day however since I don't just afk the day away.

 

Sorry for being rude but dude I make over 100 mil/day and here my screenshot of my warehouse in Velia for proof.(that's not even counting other warehouses and preoder I'm putting on) I do play at JP server so it's a little different story compared to NA but the game's basically the same thing. Economy in our server is SUPER BROKEN I'm not even among the richest, I can't really buy anything because there are those douches who are richer than me by astronomical margin, they would just preorder EVERYTHING at a price that I cannot even possibly imagine. And I can't really snipe stuff like TET Dande or TRI Orgre either because I'm basically trying to win a lottery against 7829349723952359723 other ppl so that ain't happening. 

Again JP and NA servers different situation different story but the game's same so NA will be like JP in a year or even a few months. KR is even worse than JP, the preorder price for certain Dandes and yellow accessories are just INSANE I have no idea how much those winning bidders are paying for.

This is all because this system is FLAWED ppl are just UNWILLING to SELL ANYTHING. Because selling a Dande for 95 mil means he only gets 60(no VP) or 80 with VP. If he regrets it in the future and wants to buy that Dande he sold back then do he needs to pay like what, 1billion or higher on my server now. This is exactly why we see very little supply on MP because the amount of silver u get by selling ur stuff is nowhere near enough to buy them back, ppl don't want to regret later so they'd rather be content with 60-80 mil less cash for now than having to pay 1 bil in the future.

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