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Unbalanced PVE.

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There is  a lot discussions about PVP ... balance /unbalance ...wizz /witch op etc etc ...

But here is what i think :

1. There are some game where PVP and PVE are completlly  different  things and there are not bound  together in any way. However in BDO  there are NO pvp exclusive items, or arena/battleground special items.... everything  u got  u  use  in both in pvp and in pve ....

2. So how do we get items? well  most of people  do just  grind  only milions of mobs , or they  grind +craft  / grind +trade ... sure there are some people who dont grind at all ...and they only cooking   but is minority ... and amongs   most  of players  is GRINDING considered as MOST EFFECTIVE WAY to earn nice  silver FOR MOST PLAYERS.

3. Lot of people  cry about wizzards /witches  they are OP in pvp ... but guys  have u ever seen poor Wizz/witch ... no iam not saying  about  new players who ar ehere 1-2months, iam talking about normal players who  are not new  to game and spend on wizz/witch a lot of time.

I play on Eu  and my guild is  on second page of rating we have 98 people currently {not gonna say name cause i know not all people are nice  on this forum}

and we have been  talking  how big different  is  new player who came 2-3month ago started to play :

a) Witch/wizz

b) basicly  any other  class ( for  sure some are closer  to wizz/witch,  and some are really far  but  that would be for another huge topic and i dont want this turn  out in flame. )

 

a) PVE wizz/witch : well not much discussion needed here ...  u dont even need  duo/tri armor ... u dont need even accuracy ... u dont even need those  expensive  accesory ...

-even  with 140-160 AP u can farm  most endgame spots ingame ... with some high skilled gameplat even  spots make for party .

b) meanwhile other classes  looking for groop  with same  gear lvl ... and slowly grinding  to achieve  180-200 ap ... to achieve same  clearing speed  as WIzz/witches but  it willnot happend.

 

its slower, its less fun, its boring etc etc ...

on the other hand   as wizzard/witch  u just  1-hit ....with mass aoe  whole groops ... and u litterally  see how  BIG progress u do .... yes u do biiig money while having fun.

 

IAM NOT ASKING FOR NERF ...just OMG is so HARD if they LOOK better on every class .... and  make PVE balance  so  every class  can have same AOE dmg /speed/ and most important FUN .... as  wizzards/witches have ?

 

and last  but not least  my  guild mate playing 61witch using full buff  got 5th  Dande  this week.  1.5week max ... 

and why is this bad ?

u cant say to every new player ... look  this  game is  hard  if u dont pick wizzard/witch will  be even MUCH MORE HARDER.... so hard that maybe will be unbearable  for u and u will leave.

 

how many of those  total new players  starting  with  kuno/ninja/ maehwa/musa /valk  will be here playing BOD  after 6 months of still NOT  having seen single  Boss piece, grinding  for those overprices  1b items  like turtles ?

 

why  this topic ...? i dont like to be forced  do something i dont like . I already rerolled to wizz for farming but i feel like  if  i have 2 girls .... 1 i love and 2nd just because she is good in cooking and that other stuff.

Wouldnt be great  if all classes  have  balanced pve grind so  we can play those clases who we love ... ?  because  we all know if u play something u dont  like  u will burn out and quit ... is just matter of time.

edit :

i just relised i dint wrote any possible solututions:

a) ability to heal yourself and replenishing  your resources   this hsould be balanced  so every class  in  pve  can have some sustain even without  potions...

or u want to explain  to new player  who play ranger ... yeah  it sux  that u have to  be using so much potions ... but  look  u pciked wrong class ... so  go and reroll  to some of those clases they dont need any HP/mana potions.

b)  every class  should  have at least  BIG aoe skill with rly low Cooldown which will be STRONG for PVE ... so  when u need money and  u go farm   u can do same as wizz/witch ... 1hit   groop of mosnters ....( sure  these skills should have reduced dmg in pvp  so it doesnt  make  mess)

c) potion have ridiculous weight ... is punishing  mainly for  new player play those other classes who cant  heal  themself. If  they need to  have in bag 100+ potions  how htey suppose to  grind ?  yeah i get it u want them to buy weight ...  but they do and still  is  bad ... what will come  then ?  "WTF i spend 50 euro on  weight and i have still not enough"  because lets be honest  those 1500 weight is  just lol  when u farm solo ...  what is even more stupid is Camel  being able to wear only half  of it ... not saying about horse  who is more like barbies ponny .

but i get it  u want yours money ... but how about  to double amount  healed if u not in pvp ?  so NEW people  who grind  will not need so much?  but for pvp change nothing ? Would be so hard to  change  Hp potions  to "  doble  healing recieve if not in pvp " ???

 

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u dont like wizards?

please take a number, service team will call your number.

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yep, witches so great at farming. easy outfarm anyone tryong to killsteal my shit. DK seems to be another pretty damn good grinder

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I want my Witch tanky like warrior and fast like maewa then, is unbalanced

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my wizard sucks balls..cant kill shit

 

 

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I want my Witch tanky like warrior and fast like maewa then, is unbalanced

we are talking about pve, grind ...for what u need be tanky ?  u rly wanna trade warriors tankiness  for y dmg ... in pve ?  i dont think so...

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TET gear should have a lvl req of 60 for Wizard/Witches lol.

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So basically another topic crying about wizard.

we are talking about pve, grind ...for what u need be tanky ?  u rly wanna trade warriors tankiness  for y dmg ... in pve ?  i dont think so...

Yeah you can go 1dp wiz to Pila ku jail or aakman.

Not everyone stays at manshas like you dude.

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TET gear should have a lvl req of 60 for Wizard/Witches lol.

would make alot of sense...

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would make alot of sense...

How exactly would that make alot of sense?

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Yeah I understand that pvp balance is difficult especially since they have to balance for 1v1s and nodewars, sieges etc. But cmon the pve balance is so -----ed up and so easy to fix I don't get how they did it like this the first place. I also think it's more important to fix because it feels bad to grind with a class with shit pve after a certain point. I got my maewha to 60 recently and while I love her and would love to continue to grind with her slowly going for 61, I just can't stand the potential money I am losing each hour of grinding just because I chose this class. I mean when I tell people that I solo grinded all the way to 60 with maewha they act legitimately surprised and astonished because apparently usually maewhas just group at pirates and let themselves get carried. A friend  of mine does exactly that, he has a 57 witch to farm money with while he is maining maewha. He has 1 level and like 30 ap more on her but still grinds slower. You just have to look at the mind boggling design choices for pve:

"hm witch, wizard have huge aoes so they obviously might have trouble farming, so we will give them pets that can aggro more than 8 mobs! 

"hm a class with almost only frontal cone attacks, she will do great obviously, so we don't need her shout to pull in mobs like other classes can do"

 

 

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So basically another topic crying about wizard.

Yeah you can go 1dp wiz to Pila ku jail or aakman.

Not everyone stays at manshas like you dude.

man  u didnt even read what i wrote  in that  topic ... i said would be nice  to have  all classes being able to  do same in PVE ...

is diff if somebody cry for nerf and if somebody  say   " hey how is  this fair, do it  equal for  every player"

iam not saying u should go with 1dp ... but i think we all know  wizzard can  do insane with almost no gear in pve... while there are some  chars which neeed  bilions  and still dotnt farm like 160 ap 160dp wizard using 150milion gear .... idk but it doesnt feels right.

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How exactly would that make alot of sense?

hidden sarcasm..

anyway Narsi...whats the point of your topic...yes wizard is a grind maschine thats why i rerolled a nearly 61 musa...i grind pila faster on a 58 wizard then on a 60 Musa..with 250AP thought...

YOU can always reroll yourself and git gud.

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Yeah I understand that pvp balance is difficult especially since they have to balance for 1v1s and nodewars, sieges etc. But cmon the pve balance is so -----ed up and so easy to fix I don't get how they did it like this the first place. I also think it's more important to fix because it feels bad to grind with a class with shit pve after a certain point. I got my maewha to 60 recently and while I love her and would love to continue to grind with her slowly going for 61, I just can't stand the potential money I am losing each hour of grinding just because I chose this class. I mean when I tell people that I solo grinded all the way to 60 with maewha they act legitimately surprised and astonished because apparently usually maewhas just group at pirates and let themselves get carried. A friend  of mine does exactly that, he has a 57 witch to farm money with while he is maining maewha. He has 1 level and like 30 ap more on her but still grinds slower. You just have to look at the mind boggling design choices for pve:

"hm witch, wizard have huge aoes so they obviously might have trouble farming, so we will give them pets that can aggro more than 8 mobs! 

"hm a class with almost only frontal cone attacks, she will do great obviously, so we don't need her shout to pull in mobs like other classes can do"

 

 

THIS.

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Kakao is just waiting for all the rerolls to buy carry weight on their new Wiz/Witch and they will nerf them somehow, they will probably do it around DK awakening which is strong as -----, so that all the FOTM people will reroll AGAIN to DK and buy more.

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It would be better if all classes were equal, then people wouldn't feel like they were losing out because they picked a class that they like but is weak. When a class needs to have much more ap or dp than another class just to be equal then that class is clearly weaker and should be given a boost. Will it happen? I'm not sure.

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hidden sarcasm..

anyway Narsi...whats the point of your topic...yes wizard is a grind maschine thats why i rerolled a nearly 61 musa...i grind pila faster on a 58 wizard then on a 60 Musa..with 250AP thought...

YOU can always reroll yourself and git gud.

The ----- kinda answer is this? Op: "I don't like how much stronger some classes are in pve almost forcing you to reroll to them from your favorites to get money. I wish they would make the bad classes better" 

You: "just reroll to the op class and git gud" 

 

??????? 

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Its 2017 and people still haven't realized that when Kakao & Pearl Abyss launches a class or awakening class they make it OP so people will roll that class to increase sales with inventory, weight limit, costumes and all other stuff.

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PVE is about agro on 250awakening AP u will one shot mostly everything..therfore the more aggro u can take the more exp/money u will get. The DK argument is obsolet because as far as i know that class does not control any kind of pet. Only classes left are Tamer and Wizard/Witch out of those classes u pick the one with the highest AOE dmg.

End of story.

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It would be better if all classes were equal, then people wouldn't feel like they were losing out because they picked a class that they like but is weak. When a class needs to have much more ap or dp than another class just to be equal then that class is clearly weaker and should be given a boost. Will it happen? I'm not sure.

Yea why have any variety in classes at all? We should all just play the same character that will make the game better right? 

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but if u dont like being  wizz/ witch  then ? 

quit ?

but if u like game  but u feels  like is not fair to u ?

quit?

if u dont like class u play, being wizz or with then ?

idk  how about u  but  i played some MMO  before  and i really cant say 1mmo in which  1 class  can farm  with 10-20%  money worth gear  at 200% speed.

BOD  is nice game i just dont understand WTF are those game developers  thinking.

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but if u dont like being  wizz/ witch  then ? 

quit ?

but if u like game  but u feels  like is not fair to u ?

quit?

if u dont like class u play, being wizz or with then ?

idk  how about u  but  i played some MMO  before  and i really cant say 1mmo in which  1 class  can farm  with 10-20%  money worth gear  at 200% speed.

BOD  is nice game i just dont understand WTF are those game developers  thinking.

you can always lifeksill..wich would also be better with a teleport..just sayin :P

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The one advantage of playing a bottom class like Ninja/Kuno.. it can only go up from there.

 

The same goes for Wizard/Witch, only time will tell when those nerfs will come.  And i'm pretty sure they'll come.  GW2 released its expansion with a new class, it was extremely OP, 1 year later, it's nerfed to the ground.  Just take a look at the GW2 Revenant forums lol.

And when those nerfs come, I bet their will be a lot of youtube vids of ppl who main Wizard/Witch unequipping their gear, taking off the crystals, putting their gear in the MB, selling everything else, then uninstalling and lurking in the forums every now and then to check if Wizard/Witch got unnerfed lol.

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Yeah I understand that pvp balance is difficult especially since they have to balance for 1v1s and nodewars, sieges etc. But cmon the pve balance is so -----ed up and so easy to fix I don't get how they did it like this the first place. I also think it's more important to fix because it feels bad to grind with a class with shit pve after a certain point. I got my maewha to 60 recently and while I love her and would love to continue to grind with her slowly going for 61, I just can't stand the potential money I am losing each hour of grinding just because I chose this class. I mean when I tell people that I solo grinded all the way to 60 with maewha they act legitimately surprised and astonished because apparently usually maewhas just group at pirates and let themselves get carried. A friend  of mine does exactly that, he has a 57 witch to farm money with while he is maining maewha. He has 1 level and like 30 ap more on her but still grinds slower. You just have to look at the mind boggling design choices for pve:

"hm witch, wizard have huge aoes so they obviously might have trouble farming, so we will give them pets that can aggro more than 8 mobs! 

"hm a class with almost only frontal cone attacks, she will do great obviously, so we don't need her shout to pull in mobs like other classes can do"

 

 

a wizard cannot catch/follow in movement for instance a warr, musa, maewha, zerk. By the time wiz gets close to the pack in a race vs a similar geared, the mobs couldve been twoshotted. So the clearspeed is the same at best. It is true though that wiz witch has it easy in pve, like a ninja has it easy 1v1, see my point?

And how many mobs can the wizard agro with his pet?

What are the names of these huge aoes wiz got, as the most skills r just slightly bigger in coverage while locked in place.

 

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Watch how many wiz/witches will reroll when dk awakening is out , calling it now :)

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