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I've had it with random PKers...


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I don't give a ----- about like or forum reputation or forum points.

I give a ----- when I see ideas brought from out of nowhere, that are so out of place that they could hurt the game, even more when they are paired with rants, diffamatory assumptions.

Then stop posting, no1 is going to hell because you stopped posting? Youre only hurting yourself at this point...

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Because that's exactly why it's a problem, because people are just fine with it because its a part of the game and have been for a long time, so they just run with it.... Sadly, im one of those brutally honest players that speak my own mind if i dont comply with a certain system in a game (and yes, i dont only play BDO, unlike some ppl here), im brutally conflicting about its flaw and if its a major flaw, then i make a thread about, like in this case... Easy as that.

As i said. It's not a flaw. it's not like something they didn't think about and let without resolving, it's how the game is meant to be. And if u played at start, if u got pk'd u'd just lose 1% of ur exp, everytime. It already has been soften.

You just seem to fail at understanding it's meant to be like that, and thus not a flaw. It's just like saying in a football game that u don't like it that people can score goals. If you don't like the rules, maybe the game is just not for you.

Also, remove pk, and u'll see how grinding will be a hell, with everyone griefing everyone and nobody able to xp, or doing it slowly af (and it's already really slow when u are alone on a spot). The game is just not meant to be without any contest. if they remove pk, they should make the grind zones bigger, up respawn rates etc to make it viable -> pretty much make another game.

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Yes, its POSSIBLE to pk other players, i NEVER disputed that. I have neever ONCE said that PvP in itself is a problem, its the system surrounding it that is the issue here...

You should read the last sentence of that quote too.

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You should read the last sentence of that quote too.

Doesnt matter, it's the fact that open world random pking is blatantly encouraged instead of "you can do it, but not wise"-type of attitude is what this game lacks.... severely.

As i said. It's not a flaw. it's not like something they didn't think about and let without resolving, it's how the game is meant to be. And if u played at start, if u got pk'd u'd just lose 1% of ur exp, everytime. It already has been soften.

You just seem to fail at understanding it's meant to be like that, and thus not a flaw. It's just like saying in a football game that u don't like it that people can score goals. If you don't like the rules, maybe the game is just not for you.

Also, remove pk, and u'll see how grinding will be a hell, with everyone griefing everyone and nobody able to xp, or doing it slowly af (and it's already really slow when u are alone on a spot). The game is just not meant to be without any contest. if they remove pk, they should make the grind zones bigger, up respawn rates etc to make it viable -> pretty much make another game.

You're making a wrong analogy, because in football, you're MEANT to make goals and you have 2 selected teams to score on each side.... This game is not even close to that type of analogy...

 

and no, you easily fix the "grind spots" and "random pking" by giving credit to player in that area if they have at least hit the mob once. Just have a look at GW2, if you want a prime example....

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Doesnt matter, it's the fact that open world random pking is blatantly encouraged instead of "you can do it, but not wise"-type of attitude is what this game lacks.... severely.

This is where I am told I am meme'ing.... But "This guy....." you need to read "We expect our players to look for an in game resolution for these issues" If you can't defend yourself or out grind a player then your in game resolution is to move to where you are viable or level your gear. 

 

 
 
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Doesnt matter, it's the fact that open world random pking is blatantly encouraged instead of "you can do it, but not wise"-type of attitude is what this game lacks.... severely.

Well, i gave you your solution.

There is no reason to change punish pk even more - if you cant hold your spot, bring friends.

If you dont have friends, swap channel or move to a different spot.

 

If you care about losing trade items which are worth like almost nothing considering the small amount you lose, you might should think about how minor that complain actually is since you get even more silver form just logging in while you didnt do anything productive yet.

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and no, you easily fix the "grind spots" and "random pking" by giving credit to player in that area if they have at least hit the mob once. Just have a look at GW2, if you want a prime example....

Credit goes who did the most damage/final blow....I believe not whomever just tapped them once

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This is where I am told I am meme'ing.... But "This guy....." you need to read "We expect our players to look for an in game resolution for these issues" If you can't defend yourself or out grind a player then your in game resolution is to move to where you are viable or level your gear. 

 

 
 

That's exactly what i mean about the game ENCOURAGES pking, because if you cannot defend for yourself and that other player forces you away, then the game reward the pking player instead of penalizing them. Because you force the other player away for the sole reason that you have better gear than them.

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You're making a wrong analogy, because in football, you're MEANT to make goals and you have 2 selected teams to score on each side.... This game is not even close to that type of analogy...

 

and no, you easily fix the "grind spots" and "random pking" by giving credit to player in that area if they have at least hit the mob once. Just have a look at GW2, if you want a prime example....

That's exactly what i was about earlier...

It's not a crap EU/NA mmo. I and many people here don't want that kind of pve. We are here because it's like that. U just want to change the game completely and make it look as one of the already 100000 shit theme park mmo already out.

If u want gw 2 system, just play gw2. Don't try to change bdo to make it fit just your little desires.

Also my analogy is correct, you just fail to realize it's one of the core mechanic of this game lol.

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and no, you easily fix the "grind spots" and "random pking" by giving credit to player in that area if they have at least hit the mob once. Just have a look at GW2, if you want a prime example....

The worst comparison you could make.

Game design 101 :

GW 2 is the exact contrary of BDO

PvE focused segregated RvR themepark on one hand, PVX open GvG sandbox built on scarcity of ressources to induce biologic competition on the other.

That, young lad, is the kind of thing that shows you don't know what you're talikng about

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LOL. I LOVE their (PK) system. Makes the feeling of a true MMORPG. There will always be people who are a**holes and will do things like things. The basic nature of evolution and survival is survival of the fittest.I am a pleb and I know I shouldn't go certain areas because i'll get my ass whoop. It doesn't bother me, its part of the whole MMORPG experience.

Edit: Jeebus, I love this game.

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That's exactly what i mean about the game ENCOURAGES pking,

threads like this, actually ENCOURAGE pking...

 

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It's an "every man for himself" type of game. Join a big guild and reap the benefits. 
The game is for masochists. Really. You get pummeled and destroyed nonstop until you get geared enough to
rise against your opponents. You might want to leave the game honestly and join Bless Online. At least there, you have factions
and people would cater around the whole "Alliance victory" sort of theme. 

A lot of people end up the same way. It's a "Who has the bigger -----" and "Who's spent more life on this game" type of deal. 
The beginning is always the slowest, especially for newbies. Once you get through the silver farming tiers to obtain gear and what not, 
you'll be able to keep yourself well defended. Reiterating though, JOIN A GUILD. Some of the big guilds that recruit have name intimidation strapped on them.
The game itself is revolved around primitive violence and encourages this type of behaviour. What did you expect? Flowers and rainbows being handed to you?

 

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That's exactly what i was about earlier...

It's not a crap EU/NA mmo. I and many people here don't want that kind of pve. We are here because it's like that. U just want to change the game completely and make it look as one of the already 100000 shit theme park mmo already out.

If u want gw 2 system, just play gw2. Don't try to change bdo to make it fit just your little desires.

Also my analogy is correct, you just fail to realize it's one of the core mechanic of this game lol.

... just leave this thread, youre not even making any sense anymore. Go back to your grindingspots and leave the forums if youre so damn happy about the current state of the game

the worst comparison you could make.

Game design 101 :

GW 2 is the exact contrary of BDO

PvE focused segregated RvR themepark on one hand, PVX open GvG sandbox on the other.

That, young lad, is the kind of thing that shows you don't know what you're talikng about

Read above.

That's exactly what i was about earlier...

It's not a crap EU/NA mmo. I and many people here don't want that kind of pve. We are here because it's like that. U just want to change the game completely and make it look as one of the already 100000 shit theme park mmo already out.

If u want gw 2 system, just play gw2. Don't try to change bdo to make it fit just your little desires.

Also my analogy is correct, you just fail to realize it's one of the core mechanic of this game lol.

Read above as well.

Credit goes who did the most damage/final blow....I believe not whomever just tapped them once

That's how the current system is, yes and that's why the pk is encouraged. eg, its wrong.

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That's exactly what i mean about the game ENCOURAGES pking, because if you cannot defend for yourself and that other player forces you away, then the game reward the pking player instead of penalizing them. Because you force the other player away for the sole reason that you have better gear than them.

How is the PKer awarded... Can you please explain?

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It's an "every man for himself" type of game. Join a big guild and reap the benefits. 
The game is for masochists. Really. You get pummeled and destroyed nonstop until you get geared enough to
rise against your opponents. You might want to leave the game honestly and join Bless Online. At least there, you have factions
and people would cater around the whole "Alliance victory" sort of theme. 

A lot of people end up the same way. It's a "Who has the bigger -----" and "Who's spent more life on this game" type of deal. 
The beginning is always the slowest, especially for newbies. Once you get through the silver farming tiers to obtain gear and what not, 
you'll be able to keep yourself well defended. Reiterating though, JOIN A GUILD. Some of the big guilds that recruit have name intimidation strapped on them.
The game itself is revolved around primitive violence and encourages this type of behaviour. What did you expect? Flowers and rainbows being handed to you?

 

No, i expected people acting like people, but at this point, im not even sure what im dealing with...

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Read above.

Nothing to read, except stating the obvious : you don't even know your basics. Your analogy with GW2 is a clear sign of that.

Hence, your proposition are not really valuable.

 

Edited by Capitaine Courage

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If you are undergeared, don't try and "own" the best spots in the game. Stay away from sausans and pirates, and BOOM most of the pvp will go away.

The spots most likely to find PvP at:

  1. Pirates
  2. Sausans
  3. Gahaz Bandits

To a lesser degree:

  1. Elrics
  2. Crescents

Or you know, in addition to your previous post, come in with an open heart and a friendly yet "mind your own business" type of deal. 
I've farmed solo in almost all of those locations and I've rarely been flagged on. I also respect that other people may want to solo farm too (I know I do) so I just walk by to find a perfect spot. Also, this guy just needs to have the balls to ask whether or not they have space in the party. Most of them do and won't mind 3 - 4 man parties. 

 

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No, i expected people acting like people, but at this point, im not even sure what im dealing with...

"people acting like people" have you look outside the window? read the news? goodness, BDO just shows how humanity is.

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"people acting like people" have you look outside the window? read the news? goodness, BDO just shows how humanity is.

Have you read any post on this thread i wonder? if not, then youre in the wrong place. This is a suggestion thread, not a "humanity" post.

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No, i expected people acting like people, but at this point, im not even sure what im dealing with...

And they most definitely are acting like people on an open world PvP game. 
You're dealing with people who're playing the game for their own pursuits whatever it may be. 
I prefer PvE aspects but can PvP if necessary (used to be a pvp junkie across several mmorpgs) 
and others prefer getting their PvPness on. Completely normal as an aspect of this game. This is technically how 
a Medieval fantasy game would be like. They were brutal and had little to no morals / ethics - include the fact that this is a "game"....there you go. 

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Or you know, in addition to your previous post, come in with an open heart and a friendly yet "mind your own business" type of deal. I've farmed solo in almost all of those locations and I've rarely been flagged on. I also respect that other people may want to solo farm too (I know I do) so I just walk by to find a perfect spot. Also, this guy just needs to have the balls to ask whether or not they have space in the party. Most of them do and won't mind 3 - 4 man parties. 
 

You know, that's exactly what ive been going on and on about, but everyone just assumes im the bad guy in this scenario, because im brutally honest about your "average" player that never comes to this forum once, but have the same ideas. But apparently we're in minority, at least of the unspoken ones....

And they most definitely are acting like people on an open world PvP game. 
You're dealing with people who're playing the game for their own pursuits whatever it may be. 
I prefer PvE aspects but can PvP if necessary (used to be a pvp junkie across several mmorpgs) 
and others prefer getting their PvPness on. Completely normal as an aspect of this game. This is technically how 
a Medieval fantasy game would be like. They were brutal and had little to no morals / ethics - include the fact that this is a "game"....there you go. 

Only problem is that this ISNT a medival game, not even close... And i would guess the reason why youre fine with the pvp in this game is because you have enough gear to defend for yourself.... well, then this thread is not for you.

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Have you read any post on this thread i wonder? if not, then youre in the wrong place. This is a suggestion thread, not a "humanity" post.

Damn... You just sh*t on anyone don't you and wonder why you get pk'd. That person was talking a lot of sense yet you much be one of the entitled ones.. Bc you're obviously blinded when someone was completely neutral.

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Nothing to read, except stating the obvious : you don't even know your basics. Your analogy with GW2 is a clear sign of that.

Hence, your proposition are not really valuable.

 

I take any analogy i know of ANYTHING that is similar to the thing im refering to, so if you cant relate to that, then too bad. You just assumed i meant the entire game should be like BDO and just goes to show how little your world is...

Damn... You just sh*t on anyone don't you and wonder why you get pk'd. That person was talking a lot of sense yet you much be one of the entitled ones.. Bc you're obviously blinded when someone was completely neutral.

Because people like you is what makes games like this game unplayable, because of attitudes like yours. And again, this is a suggestion thread, not a personal attack thread, thank you. Dont reply to a thread like this if you dont have anything worthwhile to contribute with.

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I've bloody had it with these karma bombers/random pkers/aholes in general that just comes to your grinding spot and kills you cus you where in their way.

Just the bloody fact that the ones getting PKd are the ones being penalized instead of the PKer is just f***ing b***s*** and should never happen. And also the fact that the system that is supposed to "prevent" unfairly kills in the first place is too bloody easy to fix. It's like you are rewarding people for being aholes in this game and that's NOT how a MMORPG should be like, sandbox or not.

 

So i see 2 options out of this dilemma to fix this rather easy problem for Kakao to fix....

1: Add a new server, PvE only (eg, no PKing, unless youre in a bg/node war/duel or if you happen to meet someone else with PK on, but only if you also have it on).

2: Severely increase the amount of penalty from killing other players unfairly. Instead of having "karma" that you can regain by just grinding even more (which is BS in it itself as well), having a flat amount of "free kills" before you either get sentenced to jail (where you have to pay half of your total money from every storage you currently have money on to get out from) or having the guard of every city being able to aggro you (even the outpost guards) and kill you if you get too close. And the amount of "free kills" gets progressively lower the more you do it in a short amount of time (and that amount is shared on your family, so you cant just go pk again on another toon).

 

This is my 2 cents of the current problem and before you post "git gud nub" and stuff like that, i'm not the only one that just want to enjoy the game as it is and just being randomly killed by someone because "we where in their way" and that its actually encouraged to kill other players unfairly... The current system is just not enough, not even close. I've been killed so many times and every single time i've been told "git gud" and whatnot...

 

No. Just no... You guys are the ones that keeps players like me from fully enjoying the game. If you wanna pk, then go to a bloody BG or Nodewar! If that's not enough, there are plenty of "pvp-only" zones where you can kill other players without penalty.... That's all i'm asking.

 

edit: It seems that i was right about the people here. 90% of the repliers in this thread are the ones that says "Dont remove open world pvp or i wont be satisfied whenever i login" is all i hear from these people. Seriously, get a life.

Okay, let me just say that I'm also mostly a PvE player, mostly lifeskills lately cause I'm bored. I don't like PvP in this game for the sole reason of it's mostly gear2win. I've had a few chars past 56 (gonna go to 56 for my DK soon) and that I've experienced just about all aspect in the game, more than I'd like to. I've also met a lot of a--hole players who will kill the hell out of me without warning and I've also tried to kill people with successes and more failures than I'd like to admit.

Now that I got that out of the way, let me put my take on this thread.

- The game is advertised as having Open World PvP, can't do anything about that.
- It's not true that they are rewarded for Pking other people. If anything, it shits on them. While you lose nothing for getting killed, once they're red, they have a chance to lose a few % of exp, shatter their gems, drop trade items, and I think de-grade enhancement. With the Karma system, from my understanding, you can get around 5-6 kills before you get red? I'm not sure, other people probably have more understanding of it than I do
- As it is, the update that basically made it so whoever gets PKed (who isn't flagged) doesn't lose any exp gave rise to Karma bombers. Not gonna lie, I do it when I absolutely need to.
- When grinding, I tend to stay away from heavily populated areas like Pirates/Sausans. I do go around Valencia when I need to grind past 56.
- Okay, I'll admit that I'm lazy so I mostly just don't bother with PKers. They kill me? Fine, I'll find an odd spot that I can grind in my own pace. Cause chances are, other people have better clear speed than I do, so feeling that a grind spot is wasted on me, I just let them be. That's unless I'm doing a quest - which is when I announce it to people. They usually leave me alone. USUALLY. 
- When grinding, do be mindful of your clearspeed versus other people's clearspeed. Chances are, if they're better geared, they have better clearspeed. Don't let the mobs be wasted. They're rich in exp after all.
- I know how you feel about getting killed by randoms, but in all honesty, you can't change people's attitude about this no matter what. Before the game was released (i'm not sure if you were here then) a lot of people were offering the same kind of 'fix' to what is basically a free-for-all game. 
- I'm actually just glad they remove the exp penalty for dying from PKing. >.>

Welp, there's my opinion on this. Hope it gives you an understanding of someone who's in sort of the same boat as you but doesn't get angry about it anymore.

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