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Valks degraded to life skill class for real this time.

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hi, can someone fill me in on why people keep saying valk is the best lifeskill class? Returning to the game after a long time and wondering if something changed or if they have a new skill or something that makes them inherently better lifeskillers? Or is it just a meme that I haven't been caught up with

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valk is not useless, valks can farming/gathering or fishing better than other classes
cooking and alchemy are other good thing valks can do

Not sure I agree about that. Lack of mobility makes them pretty terrible life skillers as well lol.

I always make Tamer life skill alts, because they get a quick step skill at level 1. So good for running in-between packs of sheeps or racing to the vendor . If you get overweight, just mount the beast. 

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look at all these valks that don't even know the basics of their class

 

 

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Not sure I agree about that. Lack of mobility makes them pretty terrible life skillers as well lol.

I always make Tamer life skill alts, because they get a quick step skill at level 1. So good for running in-between packs of sheeps or racing to the vendor . If you get overweight, just mount the beast. 

lack of mobility? you should re learn how to play valkyrie. requires high apm but you can pull off an amazing mobility combo. 

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look at all these valks that don't even know the basics of their class

 

 

well i know for sure that i dont have a 3sec lingering superarmor, it is 1sec and ofc it still helps. And i know for sure, that valk block should be stronger then warrior block but it is not anymore. Not sure what you talk about? Not saying that 360* anti cc while blocking is more then retardet so is grab... so is clipping through wizzards... etc.

 

 

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look at all these valks that don't even know the basics of their class

 

 

So I guess, you whining for months about tamer's bugs also means you don't know shit about your own class then ?

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lack of mobility? you should re learn how to play valkyrie. requires high apm but you can pull off an amazingly short mobility combo. 

FTFY

But I still agree ;)

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Tanks SUCK in this game. Sorc/Wiz/Witch all have one thing in common (Instant cast game changing AoE burst)

Why play Valk, Warrior, or Giant in the current state of the game when Sorc/Wiz/Witch are SUPERIOR for when PvP counts? (Siege, RBF)

hahahahhahahah

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So I guess, you whining for months about tamer's bugs also means you don't know shit about your own class then ?

Oh wait no, you just like -----ing. We should tell the devs we are losing our will to live, they will probably take us more seriously.

so you're saying if valk presses Q block it can be CCéd in back?

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how can you play this game for over a year and not know such a simple basic thing? Do you realize that i asked my guildmate valk if he has superarmor on celestial spear half year before awakenings were even released? Just like i was accusing warriors of having superarmor on groundsmash and grab a year ago and you can even find it in this forum

It baffles me how can you people have so little attention to detail and perception overall when i saw there's something fishy going on one year ago and then later on (few months ago) it was explained to us when korean warriors finally tested it and concluded its lingering SA and it all made sense. I always knew it's there i just didn't know what exactly it was but that's because i spammed pvp and i've seen it happen so many times

 

valk has lingering sa and you can use non-protected skills with it and make them protected, just like warrior can, i know cause i've tested it against valks

cause i've noticed it ages ago when pvping valks

cause i have a valk myself

 

 

until you show me a valkyre with 30k rbf score, lvl 61 and full tet you aren't  even qualified to talk about valks because you haven't mastered or experienced your class, contrary to your own belief. I know that in your mind you're all masters cause who needs actual experience when you can proclaim yourself as "i have mastered my class"? I've seen this time and time again in this game.

 

the other day i was fighting some valk with hybrid build and he could onecombo me with grab engage when i was with hybrid build myself, which is way more damage than what a warrior can do. Valks have more damage and are tankier than warriors 

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lack of mobility? you should re learn how to play valkyrie. requires high apm but you can pull off an amazing mobility combo. 

The combo you're referring to burns 400 stamina per rotation can only be used while moving forward and has frontal guard for 1 second of every 3 seconds, and it still isn't particular fast. I've seen warriors chase down valks before their stamina is exhausted and grapple them out of this 'amazing mobility combo'.

 

 After the stamina is gone we can keep using our dash but it's literally slower than a ranger can sprint since it links so poorly due to the switch from a movement stance to a block stance on each useage. So yeah, valk's have ok mobility for 7 seconds until their resources are exhausted, and they're extremely vulnerable while doing it. Move any direction except forwards and you're kicked out of awakening mode and lose your enhanced(until this nerf/glitch) shield endurance and are limited to 3 dashes in an 17 second period.

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so you're saying if valk presses Q block it can be CCéd in back?

Me ? No. Maybe read the op and stick to that.

Since you are OOT, I didn't even read the rest of your post

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Me ? No. Maybe read the op and stick to that.

Since you are OOT, I didn't even read the rest of your vomit.

arent you some incredibly weak valk from shadow elite anyway

 

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arent you some incredibly weak valk from shadow elite anyway

 

why do u even have the arrogance to talk 

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And it's funny since everytime I see you, you just jump away.

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so you're saying if valk presses Q block it can be CCéd in back?
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yeah u can be cc in back but only when your are moving

 

So pls be quiet if dont Mastered the class 

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Not sure I agree about that. Lack of mobility makes them pretty terrible life skillers as well lol.

I always make Tamer life skill alts, because they get a quick step skill at level 1. So good for running in-between packs of sheeps or racing to the vendor . If you get overweight, just mount the beast. 

mmmm I don't think valks needs high mobility to vacuum all the sheeps paradise...
tamer is good for world bosses, except nouver, for nouver ranger are better

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so you're saying if valk presses Q block it can be CCéd in back?
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how can you play this game for over a year and not know such a simple basic thing? Do you realize that i asked my guildmate valk if he has superarmor on celestial spear half year before awakenings were even released? Just like i was accusing warriors of having superarmor on groundsmash and grab a year ago and you can even find it in this forum

It baffles me how can you people have so little attention to detail and perception overall when i saw there's something fishy going on one year ago and then later on (few months ago) it was explained to us when korean warriors finally tested it and concluded its lingering SA and it all made sense. I always knew it's there i just didn't know what exactly it was but that's because i spammed pvp and i've seen it happen so many times

 

valk has lingering sa and you can use non-protected skills with it and make them protected, just like warrior can, i know cause i've tested it against valks

cause i've noticed it ages ago when pvping valks

cause i have a valk myself

 

 

until you show me a valkyre with 30k rbf score, lvl 61 and full tet you aren't  even qualified to talk about valks because you haven't mastered or experienced your class, contrary to your own belief. I know that in your mind you're all masters cause who needs actual experience when you can proclaim yourself as "i have mastered my class"? I've seen this time and time again in this game.

 

the other day i was fighting some valk with hybrid build and he could onecombo me with grab engage when i was with hybrid build myself, which is way more damage than what a warrior can do. Valks have more damage and are tankier than warriors 

 

what? i said a valk has 360° cc resist while (active) blocking... and its retardet... like grab is too.. i even said valk has lingerin sa??? but its NOT like warrior... who has that for nearly 3.5sec... 

and please get your stuff together... only bcs you waste your time allday in rbf -> jump in and do your same combo all over again and again does not qualify to judge a valk. Go and play it and then you are allowed to say something and i can tell you for sure, that IF you WOULD play valk, you would be the loudest mouth here.

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lack of mobility? you should re learn how to play valkyrie. requires high apm but you can pull off an amazing mobility combo. 

The only really fast thing you can do is dashing back with awakening and dash forth again(since it doesnt use shieldchase charges) with promptness afterwards. Everything else uses your stamina or your limited shielddashes up really fast. So yeah you can be fast, pretty fast, but only on a really limited area and not endless like other classes that just spam potions to compensate.

 

until you show me a valkyre with 30k rbf score, lvl 61 and full tet you aren't  even qualified to talk about valks because you haven't mastered or experienced your class, contrary to your own belief. I know that in your mind you're all masters cause who needs actual experience when you can proclaim yourself as "i have mastered my class"? I've seen this time and time again in this game.

the other day i was fighting some valk with hybrid build and he could onecombo me with grab engage when i was with hybrid build myself, which is way more damage than what a warrior can do. Valks have more damage and are tankier than warriors 

I wasnt aware that some guy who made level 60 and full tri gear and then spend several hundred hours in the arena is not able to master its class as he doesn't have tet gear. Its like saying you cant become a virtous drummer, because your drumset is only 3000€ instead of 50000€.

Also if you engage with grapple you cant extend the cc unless you prob hit the next cc the exact same frame the other guy gets out and wants to dash away superarmor or iframe. But I'm sure you all are skilled enough to pull that off all the time and thus make an infinite cc-combo. And the valk grapple is so short you can make hastiludium and blitzstab(pretty much most dmg you can do without being able to extend knockdown with your already used grapple) or promptness and castigatio and then the cc is over. I doubt a hyrbid valk(less ap) can kill a hybrid oppoenent(more dp) with that.

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I wasnt aware that some guy who made level 60 and full tri gear and then spend several hundred hours in the arena is not able to master its class as he doesn't have tet gear. Its like saying you cant become a virtous drummer, because your drumset is only 3000€ instead of 50000€.

What a horrible example.

 

One proves experience and time, the other one doesn't prove anything

 

Also if you engage with grapple you cant extend the cc 

that's exactly the point, if you grab engage you lose half of your combo potential and valk is still able to kill with that, while a DD class (such as tamer or kuno or ninja) can grab engage and not have enough damage to kill and the only way they kill is with another cc > then grab

I doubt a hyrbid valk(less ap) can kill a hybrid oppoenent(more dp) with that.

i don't care what you doubt or not, i've seen it happen 

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Maybe instead of edit comments you will make something useful and clarify the situation? Is it nerf, bug or WTF?

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@p0hil

Maybe instead of edit comments you will make something useful and clarify the situation? Is it nerf, bug or WTF?

He can't, he is a moderator, not a CM or GM.

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Atleast I can ask but I can't promise anything.

This possible nerf/bug, I don't know because I'm not playing Valk (Tamer since BDO EU release), has been already reported to the Support as you can see in this thread:

I'm closing this thread now because it's in the wrong subforum. I could merge it with the other one (which is in the right subforum) but that could be a mess at the end. So please move your discussion into the thread above. Thank you.

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