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Ranger is broken, in a bad way.

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Right when he cc's you after vine knot, it shows your dash go into cooldown. You used it but it didnt go off.

So either the beginning of dash has some vulnerable frames before the invicibility, or this was simply dysnc/lag in between vine knot > dash.

Prob lag

So does this mean that in between skills super armor breaks ? Are there holes when chaining skills ? 

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you have to wait out the animation basically wait till daggers on back that whole time your supposed to be immune but lag usually messes it up

 

 

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Durability is broken since awakening was released, classes with a more hits per skill break their weapon/offhand too fast. While classes like wizard/witch/warrior can last much longer grinding. (mentioned those classes because I know they do, maybe more classes..). Also I agree on the mana part, it's retarded.. Most classes got more WP sustain with awakening or at least had it pre-awakening so they can weapon swap to regen while killing meanwhile ranger is screwed on both forms MP wise.

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The biggest problem is the game is heavily focused towards cc/counter cc.
Ranger has, compared to most other classes, less ( reliable) cc options, and even less super armor/frontal guards then most others.

Next to the fact that nearly all classes got a lot of buffs, where ranger didnt get any, we have fallen behind a lot yes.

Rangers have not been directly nerfed, but indirectly by being left out while most others got buffed.

For what i would like to see:

 

Slight mana consumption decrease.

Increased superarmor and blocks.

Movement speed increase, our 10% passive is barely noticeable.

give us a reliable CC, like knock back on penetrating wind or something like that.

Set "shotgun" damage back to pre 33% nerf stats.

That should about do it.

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This class is the worst of all classes. ill tell you why.

1) durability is bugged.

This 5 times over and I mean that in the direct sense. I had tried and tested every female class in the game except Ranger. Got her to 30 to test her Ult out. It's the first milestone on any class really. None of classes are too exciting from 1 to 30, you can't really define a rotation before that but her repair bill at 30 was literally 500% of all the other classes I leveled.

Other severe downfall. Off hand to repel Melee swarm animation locks her for 3 seconds every time she uses her dagger. Because the AI defaults to ass muncher the amount of back attack damage taken because you are stapled to the ground is just busted.

I'm not here to make fun of Ranger but pre awakening, I really feel bad for anyone playing this class.

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Dont forget about the ult. Both of them. Oh and rushing wind that does through people on the floor. Oh and we also have the worst ranged ccs atm (blasting gust). Oh dont forget about the very small aoes. Oh yea and the long wind up times with no ani canceling. Atleast we have op shotgun that can kill fogan fighters in 6 hits (at 220 ap)

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thats pretty much the ranger situation:

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From a pvp point of view

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Ranger is garbage tier right now, hell its been that way for a long time, while Witches,  wizards,  warriors,  and now DK are all over powered as ever.

Many times have I considered rerolling like many already have,  and Daum  probably wants everyone to reroll and buy more pearl items for the new class, but I refuse, I'm not spending another dollar,  if I can snipe something from the MP ill do it. 

 

In the mean time,  I'll be life skilling on the Ranger, and casually leveling alts when I'm bored

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Spoiled ranger players, used to the most OP classes. Now you have wizards, witch and DK higher in ranking. But you are too spoiled...

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The common complaint of classes that aren't warrior:

Give us more/better/chaining/lingering super armor.

Even Wizards ask for more.

A well played ranger can kite-kill half the classes in the game.  The other half they have to actually try.  If you lose when trying, that isn't a failure of your class.  If you think you shouldn't have to try, that's a personal problem as well.

 

Note: I do think Ranger deserves some love.  But for crying out loud, people on this forum seem to not accept they can lose a fight on their own merits and flaws.

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I just want more range on our bow skill abilities tbh. Half of them would be viable if I could use them at a further distance because as it stands now, I will be CC'd due to the lack of super armor, block, or iframes in bow form. The lack luster dmg with the short range of bow skills makes it not even worth going into when awakened form gives more dmg and counter cc abilities. The problem is unlike most classes that can pretty much stay in awakened form only going unawakened if they want, Rangers are forced to go back unawakened due to lengthy cd's on pretty much everything.

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Right,  because it's perfectly fine to have the 3W classes and DK out DPS all other classes right? 

And that caster classes built in accuracy that lets them go full evasion/DP and still hit like a truck?

I'm good with them having monstrous damage,  fine,  but then take away their SA, make them the squishiest class if they gonna have top dps

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Perhaps its because im usually only fighting people around 480 GS and in RBF I have to play ultra conservative anyways, but I reaaaally don't think ranger is a bad class.

If its large scale PvP I agree and I wish things were a bit different, but in small scale or 1v1, I usually find ranger balanced/good. I lose to talented ninjas, talented valks, and people that are either much higher gear than me or people that are just plain better than me, but other than that I rarely find ranger lacking. Theres multiple bursty combos you can use so that the long cooldown on tremble isn't gamebreaking. Bow has so much utility that I can either I-frame or kite around to my hearts content until CD's on awakening are refreshed anyways, and the ranged KD isn't HORRIBLE as you can quicken the animation (doesn't always KD which is a bit annoying though).

Right,  because it's perfectly fine to have the 3W classes and DK out DPS all other classes right? 

And that caster classes built in accuracy that lets them go full evasion/DP and still hit like a truck?

I'm good with them having monstrous damage,  fine,  but then take away their SA, make them the squishiest class if they gonna have top dps

This is completely valid, I do think that those classes are a bit too strong. I haven't personally played wizard or DK awakening so I don't know how difficult it is to play those classes to have such a reward.

But there will always be a best class. Maybe they shouldn't be the best by as much as they are, and if/when the nerf hits there will be a new OP class that everyone will have a problem with. Having a perfectly balanced game is impossible. I agree that developers should always strive to reach that goal, but I wont be upset when its pretty much un-attainable if theyre making the effort to try.

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A well played ranger can kite-kill half the classes in the game.  

Wow dude, you re still at the pre awkening area where ranger were the ranged class of the game.

Time changed , now with the bow we re pretty much the ----- of every class in the game

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I said "well played"

 Try improving your attitude before writing things off.

 if you're done with it, don't be bitter, be done.

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I said "well played"

 Try improving your attitude before writing things off.

 if you're done with it, don't be bitter, be done.

Sure but why rangers have to time every SA and iframe pefectly and if they are on cd you are pretty much -----ed, while everyone else have tons of iframe/SA plus a block?

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Rangers still in the top tier list, you just need to be an asian to pull that off,

No racist

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I said "well played"

 Try improving your attitude before writing things off.

 if you're done with it, don't be bitter, be done.

Bring me 1 ranger on eu that beat me

And i will consider  what you said 

edit : btw what class are you playing, for being that much ignorant you can't be a ranger

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Bring me 1 ranger on eu that beat me

And i will consider  what you said 

edit : btw what class are you playing, for being that much ignorant you can't be a ranger

Youre saying youre able to consistently beat every ranger in EU?

I find that hard to believe.

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Bring me 1 ranger on eu that beat me

And i will consider  what you said 

edit : btw what class are you playing, for being that much ignorant you can't be a ranger.

You're right I don't play a ranger.  Though honestly, what does being able to beat your own class have to do with it?  I play a tamer and I beat other tamers all the time.  I'm only average at it but beating my own class is easy because I know how it works.  That is probably one of the worst arguments for skill I've ever heard.

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You're right I don't play a ranger.  Though honestly, what does being able to beat your own class have to do with it?  I play a tamer and I beat other tamers all the time.  I'm only average at it but beating my own class is easy because I know how it works.  That is probably one of the worst arguments for skill I've ever heard.

You said a "Well Played Ranger" and his argument is that he does play his Ranger well and he would 1 v 1 any ranger you bring him to show that. Theoretically if he beat your well played ranger that would make him the better ranger right?

Especially since according to you a "well played ranger" can kite anyone to death... so now you have 2 well played rangers who can kite each other to death and if he wins then he is probably a well played ranger, thus proving his point that maybe he knows what hes talking about more so than a person who doesn't even play the class?

I feel like it made perfect sense and was not a bad argument. I don't necessarily believe he can beat every ranger on EU but the point he was trying to make made perfect sense.

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You said a "Well Played Ranger" and his argument is that he does play his Ranger well and he would 1 v 1 any ranger you bring him to show that. Theoretically if he beat your well played ranger that would make him the better ranger right?

Especially since according to you a "well played ranger" can kite anyone to death... so now you have 2 well played rangers who can kite each other to death and if he wins then he is probably a well played ranger, thus proving his point that maybe he knows what hes talking about more so than a person who doesn't even play the class?

I feel like it made perfect sense and was not a bad argument. I don't necessarily believe he can beat every ranger on EU but the point he was trying to make made perfect sense.

I said half the classes in the game.

 beating a ranger as a ranger doesn't mean you can beat a warrior as a ranger, for instance.

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i wish ranger had the broken iframe that tamer have and a cc that is broken till the start of the game ( void llighting, always stun even on cd )

Tamers keep saying they are weak, not the best in node wors/sieges but top tier in 1v1s since the start...dueling is the best thing for me and ranger is the worst class thats all

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i wish ranger had the broken iframe that tamer have and a cc that is broken till the start of the game ( void llighting, always stun even on cd )

Tamers keep saying they are weak, not the best in node wors/sieges but top tier in 1v1s since the start...dueling is the best thing for me and ranger is the worst class thats all

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.  Is it a grass is always greener statement?

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The common complaint of classes that aren't warrior

Implying something like "get good"

 

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