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Egg Event Crowding Out Hard/Sharp Drops and possibly relic shards as well.,

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I won't even go into the merits of the egg event itself.

But it seems increasingly evident that the presence of the eggs on the drop table for gathering (and possibly also fishing) has dramatically reduced the drop rate for hards/sharps (and possibly relic shards).

I am relatively fanatical about tracking my hard/sharp gathering rate, and over the last week my hard/sharp collection rate is 1/7th normal. In all the previous weeks, it was very consistent. 

Numerous times I have burned 200+ energy with zero hards/sharps. My average for 200 energy chopping trees was 1.4 hards/sharps. Since the egg event started, it is .2. 

Anecdotally, I've noticed less on the market which seems to indicate less dropping in the world overall. 

I also do not seem to be getting as many relic shards when fishing, but I don't track that as seriously so I can't be as confident in that information.

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This has been a problem for me in the past event drops aswell - not talking about increases, but new drops obviously.

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If anything, I've gotten way more Sharps than I usually get ...  but here's the Catch, it's all been while GARDENING. (the one and only loot table you can't get Eggs in)

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Every single event somebody makes this claim. It's just bad luck on your part.

Since the easter egg event started, I've seen my normal average amount of hard/sharps remain intact. In fact if anything I've had a better week. This week I've found myself to be luckier than usual, and occasionally when gathering I've gotten the item I'm gathering, a hard/sharp, AND an egg, all in one pull. And Iv'e done that a few times. I haven't noticed a decrease in hard/sharps.

If eggs were crowding the hard/sharps out because they're on the same loot table, then I would never have pulled both at once.

 

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Every single event somebody makes this claim. It's just bad luck on your part.

Since the easter egg event started, I've seen my normal average amount of hard/sharps remain intact.

These two statements contradict logically, and directly cancel eachother out due to their Speculative nature. 

IOW:  you can't first say  "Oh you're just having bad luck" .. and then state that your own observations are the intended result when the very next conclusion that logically follows is that YOU are having above average or Intended Luck...   You are not arguing from a position of Empirical data or deconstruction

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These two statements contradict logically, and directly cancel eachother out due to their Speculative nature. 

IOW:  you can't first say  "Oh you're just having bad luck" .. and then state that your own observations are the intended result when the very next conclusion that logically follows is that YOU are having above average or Intended Luck...   You are not arguing from a position of Empirical data or deconstruction

You're half right. Sure, I'm not working or basing conclusions upon empirical data. However it does represent an experience other than what the OP is claiming to be absolute. But at the same time you're supporting (or selectively choosing not to refute) the opposite claim with the same lack of data? C'mon. Seriously?

 

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You're half right. Sure, I'm not working or basing conclusions upon empirical data. However it does represent an experience other than what the OP is claiming to be absolute. But at the same time you're supporting (or selectively choosing not to refute) the opposite claim with the same lack of data? C'mon. Seriously?

 

The word "Data" in this game should be banned, anything anyone ever has in this game is anecdotal evidence and the width in RNG is so broad, we do nothing but contradict each other and never get to a general consensus, I love it lol.

Anyway I agree with you, the drop rate seems normal, I'm on my second Kama Blessing this weekend and if anything, I'm getting more than average, it's all about luck.

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 But at the same time you're supporting (or selectively choosing not to refute) the opposite claim with the same lack of data? C'mon. Seriously?

I never took a position on the OP's claim.  What I did was more clever than that.   I pointed out that if you don't deal Directly with the main Loot Table ... rather unexpected and unusual results happen.    (whether that means that this event affects the gathering Loot Table the same way for every person ... you have to really really really have a LOT of programming experience in Loot Tables to draw any conclusions from and mine are only limited to Modding a couple of games and I can't think of a good Test Scenario that would get the kind of Data we're looking for currently)

 

If I had to spell it out for anyone:  it's possible that their implementation during events doesn't Decide shard discovery so much as it just has the potential to Amplify unluckyness for some.  Especially where perceptions are concerned.  Others meanwhile will get shards normally, AND eggs on top of that

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These two statements contradict logically, and directly cancel eachother out due to their Speculative nature. 

IOW:  you can't first say  "Oh you're just having bad luck" .. and then state that your own observations are the intended result when the very next conclusion that logically follows is that YOU are having above average or Intended Luck...   You are not arguing from a position of Empirical data or deconstruction

Hhmm big words

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Like the OP I pay close attention to and track per energy pool collection data for my sheep murdering sprees for hards and sharps.  The rate has taken a dive since the eggs have been on the loot table.  Why is this happening?  No definitive answer but the item drop scrolls from 90 day pack made.me think on it recently  Somehow the presence of eggs on the loot table appears to alter the ability to roll for a more rare item. When popping one of those item drop scrolls I noticed 2 buffs.  "Item drop rate" and "item drop chance" which leads me to believe the loot system is a 2 tier roll where the rate determines how many total item slots you loot and the chance determine its rarity.  So in this case, if the eggs being added are occupying one of the slot rolls, they could be "crowding out" a slot that would have otherwise been only capable of producing a hard / sharp or fox paw at sheep for example.  Just my 2 cents feel free to bash my theory if you please, I just know sharps and hards are down for me in a big way since the patch and it seems the eggs are the more likely culprit.

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I also smoke lots of drugs while wearing a tin foil hat

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I also smoke lots of drugs while wearing a tin foil hat

probably explains why you contributed nothing useful to this thread.  There's no "tinfoil hat" about the fact that item drop chance and item drop rate are two different buffs on my bar when popping a loot scroll, I can screen shot it if you like.  The loot system is obviously multi-tiered somehow based on those two buffs existing.  Perhaps item drop rate only applies to trash loot. 

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For a lot of the events I disagree, but for once I actually do agree with this one. As I've done 5-6 full rounds with 260 energy on Artisan 9, without actually getting a single sharp or hard.
I've had bad rounds before, but nothing like this. :)

Edit: After the small patch that came in I started getting again, so either it was changed or just a really bad round of RNG :D

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I won't even go into the merits of the egg event itself.

But it seems increasingly evident that the presence of the eggs on the drop table for gathering (and possibly also fishing) has dramatically reduced the drop rate for hards/sharps (and possibly relic shards).

I am relatively fanatical about tracking my hard/sharp gathering rate, and over the last week my hard/sharp collection rate is 1/7th normal. In all the previous weeks, it was very consistent. 

Numerous times I have burned 200+ energy with zero hards/sharps. My average for 200 energy chopping trees was 1.4 hards/sharps. Since the egg event started, it is .2. 

Anecdotally, I've noticed less on the market which seems to indicate less dropping in the world overall. 

I also do not seem to be getting as many relic shards when fishing, but I don't track that as seriously so I can't be as confident in that information.

Just for data's sake I received a LOT more shards than usual the past 2 days. I don't think it had anything to do with the event, I just got lucky. I say it just to let you know that I experienced above average RNG despite the event going on. 

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Was at priates all night today and drop rate was extremely LOW, but a shit ton of eggs.

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Was at priates all night today and drop rate was extremely LOW, but a shit ton of eggs.

I'm confused, why would you Gather logs / herbs specifically from Pirate island?

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I'm confused, why would you Gather logs / herbs specifically from Pirate island?

Cuz they have that Arrrrrgh! in them that others dont...

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But the egg furniture is cute at least.. right.. RIGHT?

-falls over-

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If you never used 200 energy before without getting anything, you were incredibly lucky and your luck streak ended now. Welcome to normal gathering.

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looting eggs gave me one shard so far, and i looted like 400 eggs.

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Meanwhile I seem to ge brabbing more shards than before the egg event. Go figure.

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100% true for relics, the hell you guys even thinking...  when you add 4 more things to the things that you get it dilutes all the things...  hows this discussion even a thing?

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i agree, relics dont drop for shit now, eather fix it or the eggs have to gooooooooo

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I bought this up doing the DK and candy events.  Right now I'm getting all my shards (and doing well) form gardening.  For my gatherers I'm just bottling my energy for until after the event unless I need the mats.

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Definitely far less shards dropping from gathering. 

Considering how crappy the eggs are, this is particularly bad. At least the DK seals were good. :(

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