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Liverto Safe Enchant problem

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Why won't it let me safe enchant this liverto?

And before you say it's easy to get PRI, I took 2 helmets (fortuna and taritas) to +15 and the highest failstack I ever reached was 18. I already wasted more money trying to do that than the price of the concentrated stones needed to force. So ----- you RNG!

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I think they allowed to force to DUO for everything and for green items to TRI.

 

I think there was once a patch that changed it, maybe removed forced enchants, also hower over the force button maybe liverto needs more then 15 stones?

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I tried but the button is completely inactive like it's not even there.

Also asked in game chat and they said I should be able to force.

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I know they changed it so you can't force boss gear past +15. Maybe that includes the Livertos as well?

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I know they changed it so you can't force boss gear past +15. Maybe that includes the Livertos as well?

That's so not nice. Why not widen the gap between new characters / upcoming players and established players? It makes so much sense, right...

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That's so not nice. Why not widen the gap between new characters / upcoming players and established players? It makes so much sense, right...

I know!

I found that out just after I decided to give boss gear another go. :-/

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Well boss gear is a special snowflake :)

To be honset being able to gather failstacks is good for you even if you don't know it yet, Just like vegetables when you were a kid, you hated them then but they were good for you in the long run :) .

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Why won't it let me safe enchant this liverto?

And before you say it's easy to get PRI, I took 2 helmets (fortuna and taritas) to +15 and the highest failstack I ever reached was 18. I already wasted more money trying to do that than the price of the concentrated stones needed to force. So ----- you RNG!

Doesn't change the fact that, even if you don't want to hear it, yes, PRI is far more easier to get than + 15

Trying to force PRI is stupid indeed. Forcing + 15 can be justified since the enchant success chances are low. But not PRI. RNG can be a ----- indeed, but you must be doing something wrong.

Keep on trying to raise your failstack with +14 cheap material and degrade it if it goes to + 15. Yes it's tedious but you can go as far as 30 failstack with cheap gear if you're "lucky". The cap is at 25 stacks for PRI, with more than 50 % success chance (when it's only 15 % with the same stack for +15)

Edited by Capitaine Courage

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Well boss gear is a special snowflake :)

To be honset being able to gather failstacks is good for you even if you don't know it yet, Just like vegetables when you were a kid, you hated them then but they were good for you in the long run :) .

No. Failstacks are a stupid and annoying mechanic. If I can't force, I'll just throw stones at it until it gets to DUO and then I'll just wait and buy a TRI or TET when I have money and sell the DUO so it can become someone else's misery.

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Why won't it let me safe enchant this liverto?

And before you say it's easy to get PRI, I took 2 helmets (fortuna and taritas) to +15 and the highest failstack I ever reached was 18. I already wasted more money trying to do that than the price of the concentrated stones needed to force. So ----- you RNG!

+18 is already good enough for PRI...

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To be honset being able to gather failstacks is good for you even if you don't know it yet, Just like vegetables when you were a kid, you hated them then but they were good for you in the long run :) .

Yeah, but at some point you might actually want to get to the steak or the dessert, but instead someone dumps another load of vegetables on your plate...and another...and another. 

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Doesn't change the fact that, even if you don't want to hear it, yes, PRI is far more easier to get than + 15

Trying to force PRI is stupid indeed. Forcing + 15 can be justified since the enchant success chances are low. But not PRI. RNG can be a ----- indeed, but you must be doing something wrong.

Keep on trying to raise your failstack with +14 cheap material and degrade it if it goes to + 15. Yes it's tedious but you can go as far as 30 failstack with cheap gear if you're "lucky". The cap is at 25 stacks for PRI, with more than 50 % success chance (when it's only 15 % with the same stack for +15)

Yeah. I mean i've had a few bad pri and duo runs, but those are extremes, don't get discouraged.

I went for a tri bhegs earlier this week and failed 5 tri's.... but one tapped 4 duos at 18-20fs and pri's at around 13-15. had one duo take 9 fails, but that's just unlucky, not the norm

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Doesn't change the fact that, even if you d'ont want to hear it, yes, PRI is far more easier to get than + 15

Trying to force PRI is stupid indeed. Forcing + 15 can be justified since the enchant success chances are low. But not PRI. You must be doing something wrong.

Keep on trying to raise your failstack with +14 cheap material and degrade it if it goes to + 15. You can go as far as 30 failstack with cheap gear if you're "lucky". The cap is at 25 stacks for PRI, with more than 50 % success chance (when it's only 15 % with the same stack for +15)

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I hardly ever utilize this meme, but I'm afraid right now it can't be helped.

I told you, I already wasted more money on simple black stones and repairs of "cheap" gear than the price of 7 concentrated stones. Sure, maybe I was unlucky. But consider this: there is a reason they removed the option to force enchant, the reason being it was worth it and people were doing it.

I tried to go the "smart" way and I ended up with nothing after losing 15M in black stones and repairs. Not to mention and hour of my time sniping gear from the MP.

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I hardly ever utilize this meme, but I'm afraid right now it can't be helped.

I told you, I already wasted more money on simple black stones and repairs of "cheap" gear than the price of 7 concentrated stones. Sure, maybe I was unlucky. But consider this: there is a reason they removed the option to force enchant, the reason being it was worth it and people were doing it.

I tried to go the "smart" way and I ended up with nothing after losing 15M in black stones and repairs.

7 concentrated blackstones is nothing. Have you even tried to enhance boss armor ?

Cheap gear is cheap, and costs nothing to repair. If repairing reblath gear sinked all your money, yes, you're doing something wrong indeed with your attempts to get PRI.
Plus, there's not only the price of 7 concentrated stones to take in account. You don't even factor the price or repairs (memory frags,so 50 frags for a Liverto, so roughly 42,5 millions without artisan memory) when an enchant is forced.

And you talk about trolling.

By the way the only reason they allowed force enchant past + 15 in western version is because we don't have valks cry.

Edited by Capitaine Courage

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7 concentrated blackstones is nothing. Have you even tried to enhance boss armor ?

Cheap gear is cheap, and costs nothing to repair. If repairing reblath gear sinked all your money, yes, you're doing something wrong indeed with your attempts to get PRI.
Plus, you don't even factor the price or repairs (memory frags) when an enchant is forced.

And you talk about trolling.

By the way the only reason they allowed force enchant past + 15 in western version is because we don't have valks cry.

I tried white gear in the past but it went to 15 almost instantly. This is why I use green gear.

Now, tho, I will try white again just for the hell of it.... >.<

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I've only experienced green gear to Pri, it might be different with Liverto but I've fail farmed them to Pri 4 times and forced 4 times. All 4, fail farm method took 9 tries, no failstack foolishness. In the case of Liverto it would have been more practical to fail farm it because 8 fails, Pri on 9 is a durability loss of 40. Forcing is a durability loss of 100. With green the cost is in the stones, with Liverto and boss, the cost is in the repair.

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I tried white gear in the past but it went to 15 almost instantly. This is why I use green gear.

Now, tho, I will try white again just for the hell of it.... >.<

Yes it can be tedious and sometimes go + 15 at only 5 stacks.
But you can make 20 stacks consistently, and it's more than enough to try to start going for PRI. Keep on trying. If you see your failstack going to high trying to PRI, keep it for a further attempt (duo, jewelry) and build another stack on an alt to get said PRI.

Failstack managing is tedious indeed, but we don't have that much solutions to optimize the costs.

Edited by Capitaine Courage

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I tried white gear in the past but it went to 15 almost instantly. This is why I use green gear.

Now, tho, I will try white again just for the hell of it.... >.<

For up to 10  you can use white most of the time... After that up to +15-20 green... Then green PRI... If it is proccing too often, move the limit accordingly... But i guess thinking hurts too much and its easier to cry on the forum, that you cant burn almost 40M on repairing a -----ing PRI liverto...

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PRI: 12-15 fs only 

DUO: 15-24 fs only

TRI : IDK 

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Maybe im just not understanding the post correctly, if that's the case I apologize.

But youre asking why you cant force PRI? Why would you want to force PRI? You answered that by saying that you've failed it so many times that it would have been cheaper just to force it in the beginning, if I understand you correctly. Perhaps you got monstrously unlucky and failed a crap ton of PRI attempts, but that's a GOOD THING, as you now have all those failstacks to build towards DUO and TRI attempts.

Regardless of how many you've failed so far, it is NOT a good idea to force PRI, ever. BUT if you absolutely must, I would make sure the durability is at 100, because you should be able to force it. That's the only thing I can think of that would stop the button from being enabled :/

 

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Wasting 60 million worth of Concentrated Black Stones to PRI a Liverto, that's a terrible idea. Should be happy there's a mechanics preventing people from doing stupid stuff like that.

It's so easy to PRI. It's comparable to getting +8 on a weapon, in terms of % difficulty.

If you failstack like a normal person and have reasonable luck, you can even get TRI Liverto with x15 Concentrated Black Stones(Weapon).

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It doesn't matter how much you have wasted on previous attempts. What matters is the likely cost of pushing that button again. That is why it is ALWAY stupid to force enchant to PRI. That force is going to cost you 50 mem frags and 15 Conc stones. That's 97.5 million, The PRI rng attempt will cost you on average about 15 million, that's over 80 million worth of stupid right there.

 

And to echo LeWaffles, check the durability is 100.

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