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NERFING hurts a lot of players


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Recently, Kakao has been nerfing a lot of things. Some are ninja nerf where the community won't know about it till someone start asking question. But is it actually a good thing for the game? Like for example, the Contribution Points byproduct ninja nerf. How long did it take them to nerf this method? The game has been out for how many years now in Korea? Shouldn't they have done something about this very early in the games life? Like literally a month or two after its release?! Was there any communication being done between the NA and KR about things that they need to do before the game is released?

Now a year and a few months later after the game is launched, they decided "LETS NERF IT" except it doesn't really help anyone except the players that have already milk the shit out of it because the game has been out for a year now. So you are really only screwing new players.

Also, the trade rolling from Velia to Finto Farm. A lot of people did this to M2 They decided to nerf it, okay fine but except... it took them a year to do so which means, a lot of players have already milk this method. So you are screwing new players and there is no hope for them to ever catch up.

I can go on and go about this. Remember when the game was first released? A lot of KR players or people of the closed beta took advantaged of the Mark of Shadows, Witch Earring increase dropped rate. That is why you see a lot of players like Orca getting 2x Tri Mark, 2x Tri Witch and Tri Ogre literally within a month or two of the games released. Then they nerf it. Okay understandable but it took you guys over months to do so. Again, was there no communication between NA and KR?

 

I understand that they need to Nerf some stuff but if its already there for a year and you haven't done a single shit about it, why bother nerfing? Especially when you don't have anything to compensate for the nerf. No buff to the current dailies contribution gain, no new active trading method just as fast as rolling etc etc

Its really only screwing the new players in this game. If you can't get it done within a month or two, don't bother at all because the players have already milk the ----- out of it and your really only screwing other players who haven't taken advantage to it.

 

 

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I feel you on this one.

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Ohh...huh...  This is Not what I expected from the thread Title.   ...You raise some really nuanced points in a way that is very measured and wholly abnormal to this forum's typical salt mining.  I'd have to really think about this one for a while.

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There's some trade offs... right?  Us players who were here from day1 ... When we first got to level 50, we then spent weeks trying to get to 54.  And just getting all our gear to +15 wasn't a stroll in the park either b/c stone drop rates were pretty pathetic back then  (bad enough that CRAFTING them in a Refinery was actually a viable alternative in some extremely skewed RNG cases). And teir5 mounts....they weren't just wandering the wild like they are now.    I think it's a bit revisionist perhaps to just assume that the deck is completely stacked against new players now when there's certainly a lot of things that weren't exactly quick or efficient for us back at launch either.

 

Also on the topic of Trading specifically... I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I tried it but just don't find it interesting and b/c of that I really didn't CARE how much silver it can generate at it's end game exploitable minmaxxed point.  I was really hoping they'd one day add some kind of dynamic Event system to it instead to make it into REAL content rather than just some calculator exercise you do and then let background autopathing do the rest.   As per usual, my seemingly infinite patience may yet still pay off:

Altinova Merchant System

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  • New content you can enjoy from the world map, it is more of a trading simulation than earning money.
  • You put down a down payment and get started with workers, wagons and escorts to start trading
  • You can encounter special events as you move across nodes. Merchants may meet thieves, natural disasters or earn extra cargo by winning negations.
  • Since it is a world map content, you can enjoy other content the same time such as training, trading or fishing at the same time.
  • The goal of this isn’t to make money, but they do need to reward it accordingly.

Again, was there no communication between NA and KR?

..andI think we definitely already know the answer to this one 

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Nerf everything, yes.  At all times.  Those who are inb4nerf rule for the short time after.  Then a few months down the road everyone is in the same position again.  

I understand the gripe, but honestly they couldn't leave things as they were and deliberation over issues like these have to be given their time.  If they twitch reflex things, they'll make even more mistakes.

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Nerf everything, yes.  At all times.  Those who are inb4nerf rule for the short time after.  Then a few months down the road everyone is in the same position again.  

I understand the gripe, but honestly they couldn't leave things as they were and deliberation over issues like these have to be given their time.  If they twitch reflex things, they'll make even more mistakes.

They have had years of feed back from KR to know what to do in NA and even if they didn't, it shouldn't take a year to decide to finally nerf this when everyone has already milk it.

Did you even read my post?

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They have had years of feed back from KR to know what to do in NA and even if they didn't, it shouldn't take a year to decide to finally nerf this when everyone has already milk it.

Did you even read my post?

I did, but it was hard to read, they need more lantern light for you people down in the salt mines to make the ravings more legible.  

However to your points, saying they shouldn't change it because of how long it took doesn't make the change pointless.  The game continues on, it would seem.

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Wouldnt it be nice if they buffed the droprates of accessories again to "prepare us" for kamasylvia? How about just buffing the rates so the economy is not -----ing reliant on events for accessories 

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I did, but it was hard to read, they need more lantern light for you people down in the salt mines to make the ravings more legible.  

However to your points, saying they shouldn't change it because of how long it took doesn't make the change pointless.  The game continues on, it would seem.

I did, but it was hard to read because I'm stupid.

 

there I fixed it for you :D

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Seems like they love to let people abuse shit and fix it a half year later. :D

 

What means... abuse anything you can as much as you can until it gets nerfed. Apparently it works perfectly. I literally feel sorry for everyone who missed all those opportunities to get easy progress. Funniest part is that they usually don't even mention these changes in patch notes. You pretty much nailed it with "ninja nerf". 

 

Really disappointing that it works this way, but what can we do. Right. :P

 

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You just now realizing shit game is shit? They've improved a good bit but still come across common sense shit regularly. 

 

But hey its cool, keep dumping money at them. That'll show em. 9_9

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Wouldnt it be nice if they buffed the droprates of accessories again to "prepare us" for kamasylvia? How about just buffing the rates so the economy is not -----ing reliant on events for accessories 

Totally agree 100% 
Also they need to reward actively playing the game. If they increased droprate, more people would be out there farming as it would earn more money. Instead we've got an economy reliant on events so everyone can go back to afk lifeskilling their way to the next event that they can buy stuff from.

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If Pearl Abyss feels the game can be successful but lack of foresight turned bdo into a messed up oligarchy, then it'll probably roll out Black Desert 2. Fresh start for everyone where pa studio has learned from it's initial endeavour. I am from the future.

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They fnally nerf this when everyone has already milk it.

Adjusted this sentence, it now accurately reflects both the cause and effect, read it 3 times, swap things around if you need to.

Players = x when x === the problem.

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According to OP's logic, they should have done nothing about the digging exploit since they found out too late and didn't do shit fast enough.

As well we should all have cd hack coz some players got advantages over it and they didn't get found right away, so they made profit out of it.

Nice logic ¬¬ 

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As the old saying goes ; exploit early, exploit often.

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The only reason I don't hit to master 2 trader and connect valencia is the nerf. My guild friend could reached master 2 in 4-5 days or a week but I have to spend a lot of time on it. I hate it.

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According to OP's logic, they should have done nothing about the digging exploit since they found out too late and didn't do shit fast enough.

As well we should all have cd hack coz some players got advantages over it and they didn't get found right away, so they made profit out of it.

Nice logic ¬¬ 

I don't know if you understand English. But I said, if its been out for almost a year and they haven't done anything about it, don't bother because players have already milk it.

In the case of the digging exploit, they actually nerf that relatively early upon its discovery so its good. Which is what should of been done with byproduct / rolling nerf.

Next time, just read my post before claiming by logic.

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The trade rolling nerf was stupid

 

if it wasn't working as intended all the people who exploited it should have caught a ban, even if it was just a 7-14 day ban at least it would've been something saying "exploiting isn't ok".  Theyre sending mixed messages and that's never a good thing

 

As someone who didn't abuse the exploit its frustrating but there are plenty of ways to get master 2 without trade rolling...get some ore packers in Trent and start making those iron ore crates

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, was there no communication between NA and KR?

Feel like they indeed not even try to comunicate.

The best exemple i've saw on this forum is here :

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/135077-black-flickering-effect/&page=3#comment-1876386

I can assure you guys we're not blind to the previous mega thread regarding this, and we've shared your concerns with the developers regarding the screen flicker. At this moment I do not have any additional information to report, as soon as I do you will know. I'd probably come swinging in like Miley Cyrus on a wrecking ball, shouting at the top of my lungs.

Yea... try getting that image out of your head now.

 

I'm trying to figure out what your job actually is since we had a user on our discord mail Pearl Abyss and get the reply back that "they might implement a toggle for this when we update the graphics", i.e. the SweetFX nonsense they're adding.

Is this really how this communication with the devs has to go down? O_o

Sure Jeynar didnt screened his friend mail as proof, but considering the actual kashkao west situation, that feel pretty real 9_9

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Sure Jeynar didnt screened his friend mail as proof, but considering the actual kashkao west situation, that feel pretty real 9_9

I'm not about to compromise him by naming him, but I'll give him a hollar and ask if he wants to chime in.

It's fairly moot now anyway, considering the mail he got has become the official stance on the matter a couple of days after he got the reply anyway. Bear in mind that this was well over a month ago.

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I did, but it was hard to read because I'm stupid.

 

there I fixed it for you :D

oh my, that's clever.  At least you stopped complaining. ;)

 

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hurts

I stop reading there,

no it doesn't.

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Same happened with Karanda - when first released the box droprate was skyhigh.

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I totally get being frustrated by this but, what can they do to make it more fair? They can't simply increase drop rates again, they lowered them for a reason. It seems like an issue of having to choose the lesser of two evils. Sure, talk about your discontent because it's frustrating, but I'd be mindful that voicing opinion can quickly devolve into moaning over a grudge if there's no way to remedy what you're complaining about. 

The most I could see is hoping that they appeal to their players and work with a little more forethought in the future, which isn't to say that they don't work with any now. 

It might not bother me as much because I've played games in the past where I missed golden opportunity patches. 

 

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I totally get being frustrated by this but, what can they do to make it more fair? They can't simply increase drop rates again, they lowered them for a reason. It seems like an issue of having to choose the lesser of two evils. Sure, talk about your discontent because it's frustrating, but I'd be mindful that voicing opinion can quickly devolve into moaning over a grudge if there's no way to remedy what you're complaining about. 

The most I could see is hoping that they appeal to their players and work with a little more forethought in the future, which isn't to say that they don't work with any now. 

It might not bother me as much because I've played games in the past where I missed golden opportunity patches. 

 

Also, we've had an awful lot of catchup events which handed out quite a few desirable items.

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