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I currently am in the process of possible rerolling to warrior from my level 60 Ninja, so I have a ton of habits and play style adjustments to make.

I'm only 56.5 right now on the character so I'm missing a ton of stuff, but mostly my curiousity is that for my Ninja the Middle mouse button is my awakening swap key, is that viable for warrior or is another key preferable based on combos and such ex. C.

and any additional tips are welcome. 

 

in addition this is what im planning my gear to look like,

 

I have everything except the weapons at this point

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I use a thumb button on my orbweaver for swap. I wouldn't want it my LMB or RMB fingers doing swaps b/c I'm often holding one or the other for whatever ability I'm going into out of the swap and it seems awkward. 

Gear seems fine but pick up a Vangertz. 

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overall gear seems fine, you got plenty of accuracy with bhegs 2 tri rce and a zarka i'd use a bmc viper in the gloves 2x bmc precision in the zarka.

as far as the swap key, its all what your most comfortable with, but keep in mind you will be doing alot of your combo's with your mouse fingers (like kutsu said rmb and lmb) so you may want to swap it , but it all depends on how comfortable you are with it and adjusting to the warrior combo's vs ninja

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It seems like it will be a difficult change, but its only been one day so who knows, I may be able to get in the swing very quickly. 

 

I'll need to develop my own system once I learn all the cancels and such. Good advise on the mouse clicks though. I'll probably switch it to c and play around with it. I

not really doing much in way of PVP because Im using a PRI Ult, and a PRI rosar. 

Failed TRI twice on the ultimate and DUO 20 times lol I'm getting screwed hard by it. 

Is Vangertz good for PVE in the meantime?

 

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The picture above is perfect but get tree armor instead of bheg. Do not ask why just do it.

 

vangertz suggestion is for noob and you should block people for suggesting dumb shit.  You post a perfect gear/weapon set. A kutum shield which give AP, DP and accuracy and he want to switch to vangertz in 2017? 

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vangertz suggestion is for noob and you should block people for suggesting dumb shit.  You post a perfect gear/weapon set. A kutum shield which give AP, DP and accuracy and he want to switch to vangertz in 2017? 

we should block you instead

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It seems like it will be a difficult change, but its only been one day so who knows, I may be able to get in the swing very quickly. 

 

I'll need to develop my own system once I learn all the cancels and such. Good advise on the mouse clicks though. I'll probably switch it to c and play around with it. I

not really doing much in way of PVP because Im using a PRI Ult, and a PRI rosar. 

Failed TRI twice on the ultimate and DUO 20 times lol I'm getting screwed hard by it. 

Is Vangertz good for PVE in the meantime?

 

I moved from Kuno to warrior - the flow is VERY different. Took me a few weeks to get accustomed to it. Kutum is best in PVE, but since Axion is so crappy Vangertz will be a fine standin. You'll want to keep Vangertz around for PVP when you fight evasion stackers or want some evasion yourself. 

The picture above is perfect but get tree armor instead of bheg. Do not ask why just do it.

 

vangertz suggestion is for noob and you should block people for suggesting dumb shit.  You post a perfect gear/weapon set. A kutum shield which give AP, DP and accuracy and he want to switch to vangertz in 2017? 

9_9 Good input. 

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fall Into this bad players. Just because he talk decent and nice you fall from it and listen. Most of this person do not know shit. People that are aholes usually know shit and get annoyed at people who think they know what they taking about and so proud about it. Suggesting vangertz over kutum do not have rights to be in this class forum and making suggestion. 

Anyway everyone is entitled to speak their opinions, yes. But funny how people disagree to people that they know he's right but disagree with him because he has attitude. That's the problem in the world 😄

 

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fall Into this bad players. Just because he talk decent and nice you fall from it and listen. Most of this person do not know shit. People that are aholes usually know shit and get annoyed at people who think they know what they taking about and so proud about it. Suggesting vangertz over kutum do not have rights to be in this class forum and making suggestion. 

Anyway everyone is entitled to speak their opinions, yes. But funny how people disagree to people that they know he's right but disagree with him because he has attitude. That's the problem in the world 😄

How is this related to the fact that Vangertz beats kutum in many aspects?

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Lethal, hold Q and get used to tapping C. You can swap back and forth with 100% guard up time. I usually hold down on Q or just constantly hover over it. Get Kutum, best overall shield. move to nouver/rosar (if you think nessasary, or just stick with kutum) when we start doing 1v1, gvg, etc 

 

btw, vangertz is garbo shield mm kay

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fall Into this bad players. Just because he talk decent and nice you fall from it and listen. Most of this person do not know shit. People that are aholes usually know shit and get annoyed at people who think they know what they taking about and so proud about it. Suggesting vangertz over kutum do not have rights to be in this class forum and making suggestion. 

Anyway everyone is entitled to speak their opinions, yes. But funny how people disagree to people that they know he's right but disagree with him because he has attitude. That's the problem in the world 😄

 

So much irony in your post. Are you talking about yourself? You're the only one being an "ahole" in this thread. I'm not even arguing with you since you don't present any arguments other than name calling and trash talking. 

Lethal, hold Q and get used to tapping C. You can swap back and forth with 100% guard up time. I usually hold down on Q or just constantly hover over it. Get Kutum, best overall shield. move to nouver/rosar (if you think nessasary, or just stick with kutum) when we start doing 1v1, gvg, etc 

 

btw, vangertz is garbo shield mm kay

Why would you use Rosar over Vangertz? You gain a 1-2 evasion, a few DR and a crystal slot in exchange for losing 20 accuracy. 

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Regarding swap keys, I personally never had any issues using C as my swap button when playing Warrior and Ninja, so you might even get used to it when you go back to ninja. I find it's easier to play warrior if you have swap key on keyboard rather mouse.

Vangertz, is ok but not the best for PvE. You'll have more success using a Kutum in your setup. Kutum best off hand for PvE for all classes hands down imo.

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So much irony in your post. Are you talking about yourself? You're the only one being an "ahole" in this thread. I'm not even arguing with you since you don't present any arguments other than name calling and trash talking. 

Why would you use Rosar over Vangertz? You gain a 1-2 evasion, a few DR and a crystal slot in exchange for losing 20 accuracy. 

If you dont know the secret, good. less people who know, the better...

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Regarding swap keys, I personally never had any issues using C as my swap button when playing Warrior and Ninja, so you might even get used to it when you go back to ninja. I find it's easier to play warrior if you have swap key on keyboard rather mouse.

Vangertz, is ok but not the best for PvE. You'll have more success using a Kutum in your setup. Kutum best off hand for PvE for all classes hands down imo.

Yes Kutum is far better for PVE.

And maybe people are misunderstanding me just because they want to argue. I'm not saying *do not get the kutum* - I said very specifically "pick up a Vangertz". It should be in your inventory as an option along with the Kutum. 

If you dont know the secret, good. less people who know, the better...

Why are you recommending it if it's a secret that it's good? Get better at trolling. 

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Yes Kutum is far better for PVE.

And maybe people are misunderstanding me just because they want to argue. I'm not saying *do not get the kutum* - I said very specifically "pick up a Vangertz". It should be in your inventory as an option along with the Kutum. 

Yes, I agree with you that Vangertz is good to have in our inventory as a warrior and I would highly recommend to have one, but only if you have the spare funds. I usually carry one myself in case I run into ultra evasion stackers where Kutum + 2 TRCE aren't enough to hit them consistently. It's a very rare occasion though in NA server, and I've only encountered it about less than 5% of the time.

For LethalAF's case though, I'd just stick with Kutum since the setup he has works perfectly fine already, even against most evasion builds (unless they have ridiculous amounts and are of higher level). 

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fall Into this bad players. Just because he talk decent and nice you fall from it and listen. Most of this person do not know shit. People that are aholes usually know shit and get annoyed at people who think they know what they taking about and so proud about it. Suggesting vangertz over kutum do not have rights to be in this class forum and making suggestion. 

Anyway everyone is entitled to speak their opinions, yes. But funny how people disagree to people that they know he's right but disagree with him because he has attitude. That's the problem in the world 😄

 

I would also choose Vangertz over Kutum with his build especially, your argument is? 

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Definitely vangertz to make use of the sicil necklace.  And more accuracy to beat anyone 1vs1 if you got skills.

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If he had a tri tree spirit belt and a duo ogre instead of the basilisk sicil choice I d go for kutum but if those are items he already has a vangertz would be really usefull especially if he can get it to Tet... 

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fall Into this bad players. Just because he talk decent and nice you fall from it and listen. Most of this person do not know shit. People that are aholes usually know shit and get annoyed at people who think they know what they taking about and so proud about it. Suggesting vangertz over kutum do not have rights to be in this class forum and making suggestion. 

Anyway everyone is entitled to speak their opinions, yes. But funny how people disagree to people that they know he's right but disagree with him because he has attitude. That's the problem in the world 😄

 

Feel free to check my post history... You will see how much i shittalk to most people.. :D

Vangertz has 4 times more accuracy than kutum (20 vs 5), more than twice as much evasion(23 vs 9) and half AP (13 vs 25)... DR is nonfactor since its absolute garbage (helps just a bit in PvE if you are staying in place)...

So you are paying several times the price of Vangertz to get few AP, which is weaker than accuracy and to lose evasion to get DR which is even shittier trade....

Kutum is good for PvE if your AP and accuracy are high AF... For PvP its overpriced shit...

So much irony in your post. Are you talking about yourself? You're the only one being an "ahole" in this thread. I'm not even arguing with you since you don't present any arguments other than name calling and trash talking. 

Why would you use Rosar over Vangertz? You gain a 1-2 evasion, a few DR and a crystal slot in exchange for losing 20 accuracy. 

3 evasion, 100-150 HP and 5,5 AP vs 20 accuracy... Its imo similar as Giath vs Rocaba argument... Vangertz is bit more expensive and has bit more stats (mainly accuracy)... Though the difference in price is smaller and Vangertz stats are much better...

(though i am not good person to discuss this with, bcs i am rosar fan and i think whole rosar weapon set is the best starting point for any newbie, cuz its the elast expensive of any weapons and its in middle with stats compared to rest)

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Definitely I would still actually GET a Kutum. My warrior going from 163AP with a Vangertz to 172AP with a Kutum got a damage increase of 17% in PVE - equivalent with adding 30AP instead of just 9. Huge difference in farming speed. Pila Ku of course you still might find Vangertz pulling out ahead. 

I just think Vangertz is the stronger PVP shield in a lot of scenarios - especially because Kutum doesn't seem to have any "hidden" increase to PVP damage like it does in PVE. 

3 evasion, 100-150 HP and 5,5 AP vs 20 accuracy... Its imo similar as Giath vs Rocaba argument...

Just consider the cost of 20 accuracy elsewhere... You have to give up a lot more stats than that. Even one of the best possible places to get accuracy Red Coral Earrings, you are typically giving up 6AP to gain 12accuracy with TRI RCE vs TRI Witch and it's a worthwhile trade 99.9% of the time. 

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Thank you everyone for your input. 

 

I've decided to go for the Kutum first in order to assist in my grind speed, and then figure out my next PVP shield after I get a dandi to TET.

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The picture above is perfect but get tree armor instead of bheg. Do not ask why just do it.

 

vangertz suggestion is for noob and you should block people for suggesting dumb shit.  You post a perfect gear/weapon set. A kutum shield which give AP, DP and accuracy and he want to switch to vangertz in 2017? 

Look at this idiot. lol

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I'm considering switching to  DUO/TRI ogre from Sicils...

 

Thoughts? 

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I'm considering switching to  DUO/TRI ogre from Sicils...

 

Thoughts? 

Sicil is very viable with vangertz and centaur + tet muskan+hebe

https://streamable.com/3nqsv

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I really don't want to like complete change gear at this point if  I can get away with it lol. 

I have all of the gear posted already except for the dandi and kutum.

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