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Karma bombing vs large non optimized rotation?

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"Karma Bombing" is the best PVP in the game.

That is if your not so Emo your afraid of dying.

You get to screw over others and fight for territory it's magnificent.

You don't lose Karma.

You don't go Red.

You get TONS of ACTION SON!

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Implement that kill-within-10mins-don't-lose-karma thingy and problem solved. I don't mind kill some random guy along with the mobs.

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I never karma bomb(ed), i just go take out the mobs they intend to come back to, and i make them chase me, and i enjoy it, but i only do it to douchebags. I don't impose myself on someone grinding in an area, if someone is there i just find another spot, especially if they ask nicely, I'm a reasonable guy. The last time i did this was on my DK pre-awakening at bashims when i was grinding to reach level 57, i was exactly 3% away from leveling, and i was going to leave as soon as i'm done, then came this warrior who decided he owned bashims, it was fun, it kind of went like this.

 

 

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If you go red, it's kinda your fault for continually flagging and killing... Nobody can force you to do that, unless they break into your house and Hit Alt + C while you weren't looking.
If you get karma bombed, it's your fault.

When somebody blatantly unable to kill me starts trying to grind where I am, I invite them to a party, help them, talk to them, generally be civil and nice. I do not kill them for no reason.

This is kinda what the Karma system exists for. If you do bad things, bad things (can) happen to you.
If you kill lots of people, of course the guards won't want you in the cities.

Generally, choosing to kill people is frowned upon in most societies.

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So when I get a character to 58 and grief a level 52 off a level 52 spot so I can farm easy money, I need to cry about Karma bombing so I look like the victim?

.. nah, not in my blood.

 

I mean. If you're a 58 in a 52 spot for money, that's not really your fault. It's how the devs made their game. You can't really complain about karma bombing and neither can the level 52 guy complain about you grieving him there

LastlI, if I'm grinding money, at sausages, I use my witch. No under geared individual even in a party can out Grind a geared witch there, no need to flag, heck, you can even steal spawns from B spot. 

Just wait till the latest pet change from korea comes which allows us to speed up our pets in exchange of faster hunger. Just imagining how much moneyI geared witch can make from a level 52 spot could make then is making me giddy. Poor guys won't be able to level at all.

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If you go red, it's kinda your fault for continually flagging and killing... Nobody can force you to do that
If you get karma bombed, it's your fault.

 

Another one of those lmao, sadly people think this way tends to be so dumb that do not even realize I already dec their guild after dying 20+ times. Oh yes, it is now PA's fault.

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So when I get a character to 58 and grief a level 52 off a level 52 spot so I can farm easy money, I need to cry about Karma bombing so I look like the victim?

.. nah, not in my blood.

 

Zactly.

 

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If you allow yourself to be "karma bombed," it is your own damn fault.

Being a PK'er is part of the game - it has consequences.

The old Karma system was magnitudes worse for the player base as a whole, but the current system sucks too.

If someone is stubborn and refuses to move despite you PK'ing them, you

Either go red because you want to go red (and then probably ----- that someone karma bombed you...even though that is actually impossible since YOU physically have to do that to yourself under your own control)

OR

You switch channels - OH MY GOD WHO WOULD HAVE EVER THOUGHT TO DO THAT?!?

 

The whole karma system is @#$@# stupid because it is never going to please one side or the other.  Just give us PvE and PvP Channels because the Karma system sucks no matter how it is designed.

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Honestly, if you can't clear the mobs you are claiming fast enough, then you need to STFO as I rotate through clearing mine as they spawn. If you are clearing efficiently- much respect and carry on.

exactly ^^ im doing a rotation on spawntimer and still leaving space for 1-2 more grind rotations near me... if I get pk'ed and I cant See any mobs in their rotation i leave... And for all of you guys Saying its scummy i agree but i do not karma bomb people out of their rotation. Just yesterday i was at upper bashim doing my rotation perfectly yet a Player comes and does a huuuuge circle i Know they cant handle on rotation... Thats when i defend my rotation with karma bombing... i dont like it but since we were the only 2 there i dont See a reason why he/She have to mess around like that. If anyone want rotation pics i Will add em

btw guys try to not yell curses at each other... its a game and a discussion.... no need to make the scary gm/cm come by and poop on people <3 

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So many trash people in here admitting to karma bombing. Shame on you all

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karma bombing is very scummy beheviour. You should stop. But I agree with you. I always take a rotation where I can reach every mob pack right after spawn. The spot is way easier to defend like that. And if I see someone who tries to hold a spot clearly too big for him, I treat his mobs as fair game. But usually I just attack him, cause he is wasting space.

i agree :) And i do hate the idea of karma bombing... just cant stand people being pricks for no reason

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So many trash people in here admitting to karma bombing. Shame on you all

Whats even worse is they actually believe it's a intended feature of the game lmao

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Because the devs decided to punish pk'ers this much. that's why it's an intended feature, you can LMAO all day long... but you're only seeing it the way you want to see it. If you could read further than your biased brain could, you'd notice that I would like to see it changed as well.

If they kept xp loss, do you know how much more level 60's we'd see at sausans wrecking on new players trying to make money and level? yeah a ----- ton... You certainly didnt see the streams back when they still had it farming newbs on lvl 59's.. Think if they add it back now? 60's would hunt down any poor sucker in mediah and force them to life skill until they buy TET. 

This will lead to top guilds controlling grind spots for pearls like the gifting patch.. Guilds or people will ask for pearl gifts to grind at the spot without being killed. Its scary but true to think about.

If you go red, it's kinda your fault for continually flagging and killing... Nobody can force you to do that, unless they break into your house and Hit Alt + C while you weren't looking.
If you get karma bombed, it's your fault.

When somebody blatantly unable to kill me starts trying to grind where I am, I invite them to a party, help them, talk to them, generally be civil and nice. I do not kill them for no reason.

This is kinda what the Karma system exists for. If you do bad things, bad things (can) happen to you.
If you kill lots of people, of course the guards won't want you in the cities.

Generally, choosing to kill people is frowned upon in most societies.

I'd like to see that mentality on you when you get a random level 56 fresh DK awakened come to your solo'able rotation and smack your mobs ignoring your "want to party?" invites... It's not our fault if we go red trying to kill an entitled noobling that cant learn to share.

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Maybe I'm a sour looser but I never back down from a fight I don't care how many times I die I just go at the guy until he taps out so if that is karma bombing so be it.

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Karma bombing isn't really anything.  It only exist in the minds of the people that make that claim.  Nobody can make you loose karma.  Any karma loss is the choice of the person that decides to flag up and murder another player.  It's working as intended.  If the player returns and starts to grind again they are not abusing the karma system because they didn't make anyone loose karma in the first place. 

If they come back and kill mobs that you have already damaged then it's called griefing.  If they are only killing mobs in the same area but not mobs that you have already damaged then it's called playing the game.

Instead of calling it karma bombing it should correctly be called Karmakaze.  You are bringing it (karma loss) on yourself.

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And crap like this is why people need to be sent to town when they die in pvp. You wanna karma bomb someone enjoy the 5-10 min walk each time you die then. 

Learn to share and the 99% won't karma bomb you.  You own NOTHING Jon Snow.

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How do you know when it's Karma Bombing?

A: I run into an area already camped by a full party OR they want to take my spot

B: I run into an area already camped by a full party OR they want to take my spot

 

They look exactly the SAME, but certainly NOT

A: I can't kill everyone and become "The Karma Bomber"

B: I destroy the entire party, they apologize, and kiss up and ask questions.

 

This is how you prevent Karma bombing.  You simply get high enough GEAR and it MAGICALLY GOES AWAY.

not sure where you are grinding but no this is not how it works in EU.

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There is no such thing as karma bombing. 

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pk'er talking about scummy behavior. This topic is full of warped views.

so killing someone who clearly halts mine and other's progression for no other reason than just being stupid is scummy? There are farming spots where 2-3 ppl can fit, but sometimes one asshole is wasting it... well excuse me for killing him to free up the spot.

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People are either delusional or have no idea what they are talking about. Karma bombing doesn't exist? Learn to share? Alright riddle me this then. I am farming a solo rotation and I clear it so fast that I almost have to wait for spawns. Now suddenly some guy comes up and starts killing the mobs mere centimeters away from me right in front of my eyes. I tell him spot is taken and I am almost to fast for the rotation myself so could he be so kind to leave? No answer. I engage pvp and kill him. He comes back and continues killing the mobs right in front of me. This repeats once more. I want to war his guild but his guild can not be declared on. I become desperate and invite him to party even though we are to fast for the spot together. He declines. What I am supposed to do now? This guy just came up and completely shit on my life. He is "stealing" the mobs from me (yeah I know, I don't own them but cmon he comes up and kills the one I am currently killing and obviously plan to kill), ruining the rotation for me because we are now way to fast, I have to wait for respawns  and he gets at least half the mobs anyways. I can do absolutely NOTHING against this unless I want to go red (and even then, these people give so little -----s, they will just keep coming back). 

Change channel? I guess but not only does that mean I just let that guy steal the spot from me but I am not guaranteed in the slightest to find a new spot on the next channel. 

 

People saying karma bombing does not exist always pretend like everyone who complains about it, is just a pvp monkey who attacks everyone on sight, will never party, nor talk, does rotations to big for him and what annoys me the most: you guys ALWAYS think of it as the "pvpers" coming up to a spot, trying to take it from someone, killing them but they don't leave. You never consider that we could be the ones being on a spot getting attacked. 

I had it happen to me recently that a zerker came to my spot and attacked me immediately without saying anything. Well either he was trash or undergeared (or both) because despite playing zerker he manages to die to me. He immediately tears and attacks me again only to die again. This repeats 2 more times. Now he finally realized how -----ing garbage he is apparently because he stops pvping me but instead starts killing my mobs. Of course he didn't care when I pvped him, I also couldn't war him and he declined party invites. It was the most frustrating shit ever. He literally came up to me, attacked me, lost several times AND STILL takes/ruins my spot without him losing anything or me being able to do something about it. Sure I could have gone red but I had a buff running and he was a zerker so if he lands one grab, I am dead. 

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It would literally stop this karma bombing in it's tracks- or the very least delay the process as most people would regain a decent chunk of their lost karma by the time someone returns. 

Yea as long as you ain't in Valencia xD and what About pirate island? Gl getting back after you spawn in town :D... would actually be amusing to See people buying boats to get back and the hole harbor is filled up with rowboats xD

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yeah git gud and clear faster or learn to share.....

 I tell you I clear the spot so fast that it can't handle another person. I tell you I killed the attacker multiple times. I tell you that he does not want to share with me. Either you are being Sarcastic, retarded or you didn't read my comment. 

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easy solution (though some timers coming soon) is create an alt and keep it perma red to protect your spot so park it close and swap whenever.

Also, lots of ppl in this community are so sensitive to getting killed, why you heff to be mad, you losing nothing on death, killed someone the other day in desert and he started flaming me in discord despite he is a chief mod in boss discord, like either git gud or stfu, it is a game of bandit and evil players around, imagine if we still had the xp loss hehehe.

i promise you, if you do return to a spot where you just got killed, you are wasting your time, move on and find another unless you think you can take whoever killed you down by flagging yourself.

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Myself (lvl 59) and two guild members (58 & boss alt 55 witch) were at Nagas trying to push his boss alt to 56 to get his awkening. We used our 200% buff and after our half hour he was only 8% away from 56. We decided to stay a bit longer just so he could ding 56. 

The whole time we were there, we were on our own and had no other players until our guild member was only 7% away from 56.

Another group of three turn up (all from same guild) run up to us and say they are doing a GQ - now normally i would move/change channel if people are doing a GQ, but it was late and our level 55 guild member was so close to leveling. I kindly let them know that we just needed around 10 more mins (it wasnt even that long) and then we would be leaving the spot and i said that i would whsiper them to let them know when we were done - i also asked them if they wouldnt mind doing some of their GQ elsewhere at Nagas in the meantime.

The other group of three decided to just continue to try and take mobs - now at this point with six people the mobs were not spawning in on time. I saw on the edge of my vision range that the witch from this other guild must of turned PvP on as Gorr was red, they were trying to kill our level 55 friend/get them low and get a mob to finish them off.

i just attacked them and they died so quickly just 1v1 as my party/their party members did not engage - they used an elions tear/blessing got back up... I was expecting them to PvP again... Instead they said "fair play, we will go elsewhere here and come back in 10 mins or so" we managed to get our friends char to 56 and we let that party know we were done and they turned up and continued with their GQ... :) 

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Serious question tho. If you're perfectly able to manage your karma and not go red, how exactly did your karma get bombed? O.o

Negative karma players aren't a common sight at high traffic grind spots to begin with. Why I call BS when people here make posts, proudly describing how they're karma bombing left and right with good results. Vast majority of players wont go negative over a random griefer seriously. They will out-dps the guy, until enough karma to poke him again. Getting PK'ed is not the same as being a successful karma bomber lol.

I also doubt 90% of grind spots griefers actually wants to be attacked or make you loose karma. No one enjoys getting killed. They would for sure prefer it if you didn't use violence and just gave them some mobs instead or walked away.

I think the term karma bombing is being used a little to loosely in this game. It's enough that someone basically breathes and he's a karma bomber, because that's what all the cool kids are saying.

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