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[Rumor] Sicil Necklace Evasion Debate


Sicil Necklace = Hidden Evasion?   35 votes

  1. 1. Does Sicil's Necklace Have hidden evasion?

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    • No
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Let's attempt to put this rumor to bed guys, We all know Sicil's have sky-rocketed on the AH recently, but is the daunting amount of buyers enough to verify the authenticity of the alleged "data-mined" evasion contained on this accessory piece?

I personally have 0 clue. Hopefully, someone has the good will (and silver) to test this rumor. My only throw into this debate, coming from the experience of a 500 GS+ player with like friends around my circle, we're convinced that the answer is a no without any hardcore testing.

As a Ninja, I hope I'm wrong, an evasion piece like this would be beautiful for the class, but I'm skeptical, to say the least.

If anyone can provide links to similiar debates with conclusions, that would be very helpful

Original Datamind Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HE1Lr-7C2ChlCOsBc14z_hY5dkh9tC6tYZFqHgNGIbA/htmlview#

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Here you go buddy.

Missing a few things that I'd like to see data on, but here's the datamined defensive stat split for a fair bunch of accessories, offhands, and armor pieces. 

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Here you go buddy.

Missing a few things that I'd like to see data on, but here's the datamined defensive stat split for a fair bunch of accessories, offhands, and armor pieces. 

That would be the original data -mined set, but is their proof to back this up? in-game text or confirmation with pastebin from paz files with repeatable extraction steps and results?

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Well if u test by yourself, most of it is pretty accurate. I play with sicil and can def say it has evasion.

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Well if u test by yourself, most of it is pretty accurate. I play with sicil and can def say it has evasion.

Not to say your wrong, or that I disagree, but one of my guildees is a 520 Evasion build ninja, and he claims the exact opposite of your statement about both sicil's and centaurs belt which are noted by the datamined sheet to have a decent chunk of evasion.

With so many conflicting testimonies, I can't accept any results (personally) without having a recorded hit by hit session

 

I would also test it myself, but that would require a pretty decent silver commitment for a certain item that would be otherwise useless (to me) if the evasion didn't exist.

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I sold my TRI Sicils and made a DUO Ogre. I see no difference in the amount of damage that I recieve.

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I sold my TRI Sicils and made a DUO Ogre. I see no difference in the amount of damage that I recieve.

Evasion doesn't actually lower damage so this makes perfect sense :thinking:

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Went looking and while I can't find complete confirmation either, I can say that my personal experiences do align roughly with these numbers.

 

As for Sicil specifically? Yes, I think the DP is Evasion, from my own experiences.  

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I sold my TRI Sicils and made a DUO Ogre. I see no difference in the amount of damage that I recieve.

Again, I neither disagree or agree, but the fact that your statement is a complete contrast of Lyanos basically proves a true test is necessary.

 

 

Went looking and while I can't find complete confirmation either, I can say that my personal experiences do align roughly with these numbers.

 

As for Sicil specifically? Yes, I think the DP is Evasion, from my own experiences.  

So are you claiming that the item has no DP at all and it's all evasion? or are you saying in addition to the tool tip DP?

 

Not to call you out, because it truly is an issue of the community, not just you as an individual, but everyone has a lot of "experiences" and it seems like no one has a documented study.

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Let's attempt to put this rumor to bed guys, We all know Sicil's have sky-rocketed on the AH recently, but is the daunting amount of buyers enough to verify the authenticity of the alleged "data-mined" evasion contained on this accessory piece?

I personally have 0 clue. Hopefully, someone has the good will (and silver) to test this rumor. My only throw into this debate, coming from the experience of a 500 GS+ player with like friends around my circle, we're convinced that the answer is a no without any hardcore testing.

As a Ninja, I hope I'm wrong, an evasion piece like this would be beautiful for the class, but I'm skeptical, to say the least.

If anyone can provide links to similiar debates with conclusions, that would be very helpful

Unless they give an official stance on the matter you will never be 100% sure unfortunately. I'm a ninja too so i'm your same boat regarding the build path xD, for now i am playing hybrid since i find it to be the most comfortable build.

If you have a lot of money to spend then you can try it out, otherwise i wouldn't go with a defense focused only build based on some hidden stats that may be there or not. 

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Not to say your wrong, or that I disagree, but one of my guildees is a 520 Evasion build ninja, and he claims the exact opposite of your statement about both sicil's and centaurs belt which are noted by the datamined sheet to have a decent chunk of evasion.

With so many conflicting testimonies, I can't accept any results (personally) without having a recorded hit by hit session

 

I would also test it myself, but that would require a pretty decent silver commitment for a certain item that would be otherwise useless (to me) if the evasion didn't exist.

I understand that and u're right. But this has to be tested properly. And it takes a lot of time, and openents with different classes / gear.

also, sicil obviously don't give dr, so if it doesn't give eva, idk what this dp is for. Maybe ur ninja friend don't test things properly. Depends against wich class he fought, what acc they had and shit.

But yeah a real test would be nice, if someone have money and time for it

 

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this should be easy to verify.

according to datatables Sicil and Centaur belt has 0 damage reduction, just evasion.

Unequip the neck/belt. Take few huts (or hundreds). Note the dmg you take from each landed hit. Also count the evaded shots.

 

wear the piece and redo the test.

 

if this increased number evaded hits -> possible evasion increase.

if only dmg taken was reduced -> damage reduction.

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this should be easy to verify.

according to datatables Sicil and Centaur belt has 0 damage reduction, just evasion.

Unequip the neck/belt. Take few huts (or hundreds). Note the dmg you take from each landed hit. Also count the evaded shots.

 

wear the piece and redo the test.

 

if this increased number evaded hits -> possible evasion increase.

if only dmg taken was reduced -> damage reduction.

This is the exact test my guildee per formed (no documentation available) and he's claiming No. But there's to many people saying "yes" to down right ignore their claims... and so the quest continues!

 

I don't mean to derail the topic, but there's also plausible motive to falsify these results, I have 2 friends that were stockpiling sicils long before the inflation of the price.. One could easily provide these claims as a means of milking more revenue... a bit far fetched, but the posibility exisits..

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I don't mean to derail the topic, but there's also plausible motive to falsify these results, I have 2 friends that were stockpiling sicils long before the inflation of the price.. One could easily provide these claims as a means of milking more revenue... a bit far fetched, but the posibility exisits..

It happened, happens and will happen again.

Just like eiene posting that full ap had hidden accuracy and people should not go for acc items, so rce get back to a super cheap price xD

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It happened, happens and will happen again.

Just like eiene posting that full ap had hidden accuracy and people should not go for acc items, so rce get back to a super cheap price xD

Yea but thats true dude *wink*

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evasion is RNG

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8 yes's... no proof provided v.v

 

evasion is RNG

Water is WET

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