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Dark Knight "Mana Problems" SOLVED and Some Hidden Flows


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Ok so I've been hearing a lot of complaining about people playing the dark knight and chugging pots in PvE. I'm here to tell you that it's unnecessary. I wanted to help people out and illustrate some of the abilities we can use to recover that oh so precious resource. 

W+RMB, Shift+LMB (no flow), Shift+RMB (off CD), Shift+F, W+F, Space (Off CD after most abilities), and Sidestepping (Shift + A or D)

All of the above skills will recover your mana. I have left out the obvious side attacks and autoattacks. Also I recorded a brief demonstration of just how all this comes together. I drained my character of mana and engaged a few centaurs to show just how much mana regen we have when skills are (relatively) properly rotated. Sorry about the resolution as I play on an ultrawide display. 

In PvP I chug pots likes an unapologetic alcoholic in a fraternity so I am not claiming this is all true when engaging players. Feel free to drink yourself to death in that department. If you are still struggling feel free to slap some extraction gems into your main hand weapon and watch the mana flow back into your bar. Not exactly optimal in PvP but if you aren't ready to join the DeSync fuster cluck it's fine.  

 

There are also some hidden flow combos that I was experimenting on with Rinku Talks (https://www.youtube.com/user/rinkucantalk), who made his own guide last night that you can check out on youtube as well. Here's what we found:

Seeds Shatter Shatter Seeds (standard)
Seeds Shatter Shatter Seeds (distance)
Shatter Seeds Seeds Shatter (standard)
Shatter Seeds Seeds Shatter (distance)
Shatter Seeds Shatter Seeds

Also a note to make when trying out the combos:

Seeds Shatter Seeds Shatter - DOES NOT WORK

You can stitch these abilities together without interrupting them to pull of some spicy combos (albeit most likely impractical). Again I try showing off exactly what this looks like to hopefully clarify.

If anyone has any more information as to how to make this effective in PvE or PvP it'd be awesome if you could share that knowledge. For now it's just for style points.

 

Any questions, comments, or concerns I will be happy to address.

Happy Grinding

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hi. thanx for Your advices!

could U pls list here some of Your  "properly rotated"  pve combos?

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Already discovered all this myself, but nice for sharing it. I do wonder if it'll help people though - mana management for me just came as a natural part of doing stuff, using skills and all that. The fact that some DKs struggle with it suggests that people just...aren't using much variety in their abilities, or sidestepping to dodge attacks, I guess? Maybe everyone's just spamming spirit legacy? I do that occasionally, with the understanding that it's inefficient and will drain my mana. It's a nice filler when I can't remember what's off CD at that moment, and I hate switching to Krieg. I also suspect that this widespread insistence on using pre-awakening abilities might also be related, since none of the ones everyone insists on using generate any mana, and people seem to favor them over the mana generating side skills in the awakening tree from what I've seen in the occasional grinding vid.

Sort of a shame that weapon swapping on this class is nowhere near as smooth and convenient as it was on my sorc though >_>. I might love it as much as everyone else if it was. Hope they make some serious changes with that whole second awakening thing, because I hate the feel of most of the preawakening skills..

edit: all that said, I do have one question. Are you using Grip of Grudge? I see you mention the skill shortcut, but I didn't notice you using it in the video. I removed it early on because I wanted to have skill points for all the stuff at 58, and now I don't remember if it was horrendous or not. Is it worth having? iirc, it's pretty damned slow. An animation cancel for it would be nice, but I think I failed to figure any out.

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hi. thanx for Your advices!

could U pls list here some of Your  "properly rotated"  pve combos?

I wasn't following a particular rotation set in stone, simply using the abilities that I listed that I know will regen mana off of cooldown (as well as others that are filler like cooldown Spirit Legacy and Soul Snatch).
Getting comfortable with the cooldowns and understanding the full skill descriptions is key to playing Dark Knight without drowning in mana pots in PvE and that's hopefully what people can take away from this post.

Already discovered all this myself, but nice for sharing it. I do wonder if it'll help people though - mana management for me just came as a natural part of doing stuff, using skills and all that. The fact that some DKs struggle with it suggests that people just...aren't using much variety in their abilities, or sidestepping to dodge attacks, I guess? Maybe everyone's just spamming spirit legacy? I do that occasionally, with the understanding that it's inefficient and will drain my mana. It's a nice filler when I can't remember what's off CD at that moment, and I hate switching to Krieg. I also suspect that this widespread insistence on using pre-awakening abilities might also be related, since none of the ones everyone insists on using generate any mana, and people seem to favor them over the mana generating side skills in the awakening tree from what I've seen in the occasional grinding vid.

Sort of a shame that weapon swapping on this class is nowhere near as smooth and convenient as it was on my sorc though >_>. I might love it as much as everyone else if it was. Hope they make some serious changes with that whole second awakening thing, because I hate the feel of most of the preawakening skills..

edit: all that said, I do have one question. Are you using Grip of Grudge? I see you mention the skill shortcut, but I didn't notice you using it in the video. I removed it early on because I wanted to have skill points for all the stuff at 58, and now I don't remember if it was horrendous or not. Is it worth having? iirc, it's pretty damned slow. An animation cancel for it would be nice, but I think I failed to figure any out.

I do not use Grip of Grudge at level 60. While grinding back on pirate island at 59 I did use it in a pinch before getting accustomed to the rest of my abilities. I also struggled since I had relatively low AP at the time so it was nice while solo grinding for the almost guaranteed back attack. Would really only recommend the skill if you have the extra skillpoints to spend after getting almost everything else.

 

EDIT: Soul Snatch is a animation cancel for almost all your abilities. It also cancels the ability effect so user be warned.

P.S. I accidentally added the pictures below that were intended for a different post and can't figure out how to remove them so I'm just giving up lol. I need an adult.

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Ok so I've been hearing a lot of complaining about people playing the dark knight and chugging pots in PvE. I'm here to tell you that it's unnecessary. I wanted to help people out and illustrate some of the abilities we can use to recover that oh so precious resource. 

W+RMB, Shift+LMB (no flow), Shift+RMB (off CD), Shift+F, W+F, Space (Off CD after most abilities), and Sidestepping (Shift + A or D)

All of the above skills will recover your mana. I have left out the obvious side attacks and autoattacks. Also I recorded a brief demonstration of just how all this comes together. I drained my character of mana and engaged a few centaurs to show just how much mana regen we have when skills are (relatively) properly rotated. Sorry about the resolution as I play on an ultrawide display. 

In PvP I chug pots likes an unapologetic alcoholic in a fraternity so I am not claiming this is all true when engaging players. Feel free to drink yourself to death in that department. If you are still struggling feel free to slap some extraction gems into your main hand weapon and watch the mana flow back into your bar. Not exactly optimal in PvP but if you aren't ready to join the DeSync fuster cluck it's fine.  

 

There are also some hidden flow combos that I was experimenting on with Rinku Talks (https://www.youtube.com/user/rinkucantalk), who made his own guide last night that you can check out on youtube as well. Here's what we found:

Seeds Shatter Shatter Seeds (standard)
Seeds Shatter Shatter Seeds (distance)
Shatter Seeds Seeds Shatter (standard)
Shatter Seeds Seeds Shatter (distance)
Shatter Seeds Shatter Seeds

Also a note to make when trying out the combos:

Seeds Shatter Seeds Shatter - DOES NOT WORK

You can stitch these abilities together without interrupting them to pull of some spicy combos (albeit most likely impractical). Again I try showing off exactly what this looks like to hopefully clarify.

If anyone has any more information as to how to make this effective in PvE or PvP it'd be awesome if you could share that knowledge. For now it's just for style points.

 

Any questions, comments, or concerns I will be happy to address.

Happy Grinding

Mana management looks good but killing slow as hell.

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Mana management looks good but killing slow as hell.

That's a gear issue :(

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You missed 2 secret flows and get rid of the F*UCKING WEEB MUSIC YOU CUCK

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You missed 2 secret flows and get rid of the F*UCKING WEEB MUSIC YOU CUCK

Get rid of yourself

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You missed 2 secret flows and get rid of the F*UCKING WEEB MUSIC YOU CUCK

Get rid of yourself

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lol, post from 2 accounts much ? how old are you...... definitely beta

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lol, post from 2 accounts much ? how old are you...... definitely beta

Mute your audio and/or play your own soundtrack. Problem solved.

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Already discovered all this myself, but nice for sharing it. I do wonder if it'll help people though - mana management for me just came as a natural part of doing stuff, using skills and all that. The fact that some DKs struggle with it suggests that people just...aren't using much variety in their abilities, or sidestepping to dodge attacks, I guess? Maybe everyone's just spamming spirit legacy? 

Well said.

 Only lazy DK's need to chug mana pots when grinding, you truly never need to purchase one.  Worse case scenario is using your shift+space after everything's dead.

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Well said.

 Only lazy DK's need to chug mana pots when grinding, you truly never need to purchase one.  Worse case scenario is using your shift+space after everything's dead.

Well mostly true... mana regen doesn't really work that well if your killing grey mobs for say a guild quest or something. Bringing some pots for QoL isn't a bad idea if your doing things like that, but yes mana pots are not necessary for a majority of things.

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Well mostly true... mana regen doesn't really work that well if your killing grey mobs for say a guild quest or something. Bringing some pots for QoL isn't a bad idea if your doing things like that, but yes mana pots are not necessary for a majority of things.

This is true and you bring up a great point that I neglected to mention. The mana regeneration on the DK only really works on enemys that can tank multiple hits from you for the return to be greater than the amount spent. (Most of the abilities state "EP +x per good hit" or something like that, so the more hits = more mana)

Thank you for bringing that up.

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Already discovered all this myself, but nice for sharing it. I do wonder if it'll help people though - mana management for me just came as a natural part of doing stuff, using skills and all that. The fact that some DKs struggle with it suggests that people just...aren't using much variety in their abilities, or sidestepping to dodge attacks, I guess? Maybe everyone's just spamming spirit legacy? I do that occasionally, with the understanding that it's inefficient and will drain my mana. It's a nice filler when I can't remember what's off CD at that moment, and I hate switching to Krieg. I also suspect that this widespread insistence on using pre-awakening abilities might also be related, since none of the ones everyone insists on using generate any mana, and people seem to favor them over the mana generating side skills in the awakening tree from what I've seen in the occasional grinding vid.

Sort of a shame that weapon swapping on this class is nowhere near as smooth and convenient as it was on my sorc though >_>. I might love it as much as everyone else if it was. Hope they make some serious changes with that whole second awakening thing, because I hate the feel of most of the preawakening skills..

edit: all that said, I do have one question. Are you using Grip of Grudge? I see you mention the skill shortcut, but I didn't notice you using it in the video. I removed it early on because I wanted to have skill points for all the stuff at 58, and now I don't remember if it was horrendous or not. Is it worth having? iirc, it's pretty damned slow. An animation cancel for it would be nice, but I think I failed to figure any out.

You couldn't have said it better with regards to sorc... I think I'm still going to main sorc because while I like DK a lot I love my sorc.   Both are really fun though...

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I feel like its the same thing as people telling me I don't need sp pots on maewha. Sure I don't but if i use potions i clear twice as fast. 

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