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WE DEMAND TRANSPARENCY

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Recently a topic of conversation/disagreement in the guild was the abilities of weapons - specifically the stats hidden but active on the weapon - or so we think.

Not to put a fine line on it, but I tend to think if it isn't shown as affecting the numbers, then it ain't there. 

Point in case is the AP% of the main weapon affecting the AW and the amazing case of accuracy.

My question: How can we help you or maybe force you to reveal what are the realities. I want to put an end to all those testing vids that apparently prove a case.

I would like to see an additional stat that shows hit ratio. As the game knows what you are fighting, then it can log what your chances of hitting the object are.

 

The second point is also a bugbear. The levels of attributes we can currently attain is 5 for Attack speed, Crit Hit etc ending up with Luck. More often that not the buffs I have active, double that.

2nd question: What happens to the remainder?

 

For those that have trouble reading: I have asked 2 (two) questions. I would prefer someone in authority to answer but I know you will wade in anyways so try and be civil (not nasty or trollish) and your thoughts on other things that should be transparent would be welcomed.

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I wish you luck on this post, but odds are it'll get locked simply cause all caps title.

Stats being shown should absolutely be one of the "adaptations to our market" we were promised.

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If this were Vegas, they would shut this game down for fraud. It's like betting on a number on a roulette wheel of unknown size and with an unknown number of possible outcomes. 

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Personally like it the way it is.   I understand that today's gamers want to know and compute every single stat on every single piece of equipment but i like that there are still variables that cannot necessarily be identified. 
The thing is that people start playing and LOVE the game....then all of a sudden they want it to change.  Trust the devs and people who built this game.  And don't try to get Daum to ruin it for those of us who like it just the way it is.  You want numbers crunch, then go play a more transparent game.

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No, keep the levers of balance a secret, ----- off with the backseat dev BS, if you need this numbers to enjoy the game you should stop playing.

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No, keep the levers of balance a secret, ----- off with the backseat dev BS, if you need this numbers to enjoy the game you should stop playing.

But they're not actually secret, they're just needlessly hard to find out and can be completely changed on a whim with no accountability whatsoever.

You got a pen centaurs belt for the evasion? Tough luck, it got changed to damage reduction, have fun testing every single goddamned patch if your item was nerfed.

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Does anyone else see these thread titles and think "I'M ENTITLED, LISTEN TO ME" or is just me?

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I'd be happy with less RnG in the acquisition of gear. I would consider it content to feel out various gear combinations and so on if getting Tri didn't feel like a lobotomy through my anus.

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The only reason I wish they didn't keep stuff so hidden is that it would help US as players, to realize something is wrong to get the word out to the devs that something might be broken. How long has the Serendian Meal been broken? The part about accuracy? Or, how do we even know it's broken? Because nowhere does it show us what our overall base is, or what it is plus gear, or what it is plus gear, plus food buffs/Villa buffs/Alchemy stones etc.

The fact is, they have broken things in their game, which hey, it happens, but when you're trying to be a PvP focused game, or even trying to shine as "The" MMO of the current generation, hiding some of your most important stats for "Reasons" is completely asinine.  

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There only 1 thing that need separate stat in the character screen. Its evasion. Evasion right now is a part of DP. And it is bad. Because of that you realy cant tell for sure how much you have damage mitigation and how much evasion. Just separate it like with horse gear. Other things is fine.

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Does anyone else see these thread titles and think "I'M ENTITLED, LISTEN TO ME" or is just me?

Interesting reply - you need to get your eyes checked and do a reset on your attitude to life generally. ME is not included in the title or the body of text, and I really don't give a damn if you do listen to me, but obviously you cannot read - as this falls in the category of nasty/trollish.

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Does anyone else see these thread titles and think "I'M ENTITLED, LISTEN TO ME" or is just me?

I think you just follow the term or the statement that goes viral on that moment, like we had the time where everyone was a "special snowflake", a "carebear", then he/she/it had a "l2p/git gud issue", nowadays entitlement is the keyword to use if you don't want to discuss something that you disagree with, so you did a pretty damn good job at using it.

Anyway i like hidden stats, what i don't like are stats hidden into items that shouldn't have those or that are supposed to work differently, for example i like how Yuria/Liverto/Kzarka have different pool of accuracy but i didn't like to discover that boss armor had hidden evasion that wasn't mentioned anywhere, same goes for the Eva of Sicil when it was just a cheap necklace with AP/DP and 'till the datamining we had no clue of these 9 evasion at TRI hidden under the DP tag.

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I asked why the hidden stats are not being shown and many forum users called me as a troll. I think people like being blind.

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The only reason I wish they didn't keep stuff so hidden is that it would help US as players, to realize something is wrong to get the word out to the devs that something might be broken. How long has the Serendian Meal been broken? The part about accuracy? Or, how do we even know it's broken? Because nowhere does it show us what our overall base is, or what it is plus gear, or what it is plus gear, plus food buffs/Villa buffs/Alchemy stones etc.

Just fyi, serendian meals work perfectly fine.

They just don't work in pvp.

Why this isn't on the buff however, who the ----- knows.

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I asked why the hidden stats are not being shown and many forum users called me as a troll. I think people like being blind.

Lil bit, yeah. It goes back to the days when you played games without math. 

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Just fyi, serendian meals work perfectly fine.

They just don't work in pvp.

Why this isn't on the buff however, who the ----- knows.

Then why can't they add in a small tooltip like they do for skills that says "Accuracy effect does not work in PvP"? And again, how asinine is it to have to test something both in PvE and PvP to find out that "Oh, this works here, but not here?" I honestly wouldn't mind if they gave those kinds of tooltips, and for the PvP community it would be rather nice to have some sense of transparency as it would help improve what food buffs we'd stack, of course I haven't done it for months since people just said the accuracy was broken.

But yeah, I am in agreement that if certain foods are going to drastically change effectiveness between PvE and PvP it should be placed on the bottom of the item description the same as with our basic skills.

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Does anyone else see these thread titles and think "I'M ENTITLED, LISTEN TO ME" or is just me?

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Does anyone else see these thread titles and think "I'M ENTITLED, LISTEN TO ME" or is just me?

Sometimes yes, but not here. I also think it's strange for an item to say "Increased AP and Accuracy", this does not mean anything and to me personally it makes no sense. Testing is fun for some people and I thank them for doing this, but what's the point? They only get hateful comments and bs after they post the results, and who knows if they are right. Even if someone does 100 hours of testing and posts the results the thread gets locked...

4real what is the idea of hiding all the stats? Why even show you how much AP, DP you have, if you actually see just a part of it? I mean when I purchase pearls they see and get 100 Euros, correct, not 5 Euros and the rest is hidden and maybe even non existent :D:D:D

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Just fyi, serendian meals work perfectly fine.

They just don't work in pvp.

Why this isn't on the buff however, who the ----- knows.

not true, it was retested and the accuracy works in pvp, just not as much as you think

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Personally like it the way it is.   I understand that today's gamers want to know and compute every single stat on every single piece of equipment but i like that there are still variables that cannot necessarily be identified. 
The thing is that people start playing and LOVE the game....then all of a sudden they want it to change.  Trust the devs and people who built this game.  And don't try to get Daum to ruin it for those of us who like it just the way it is.  You want numbers crunch, then go play a more transparent game.

casual pleb 

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The second point is also a bugbear. The levels of attributes we can currently attain is 5 for Attack speed, Crit Hit etc ending up with Luck. More often that not the buffs I have active, double that.

2nd question: What happens to the remainder?

 

I'm going to say that the remainder gets lost in the void.

Why do I say that?  Because if I get my gathering speed above +5, I don't chop trees any faster, no matter how many buffs I stack (and I have +3 from guild and I've had +2 from Alchemy Stone, +2 from Warm Milk and +1 from gathering clothes).

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Interesting reply - you need to get your eyes checked and do a reset on your attitude to life generally. ME is not included in the title or the body of text, and I really don't give a damn if you do listen to me, but obviously you cannot read - as this falls in the category of nasty/trollish.

The title in all capital letters does tend to detract from the message that follows in much the manner his statement suggested. Having a third person pronoun doesn't remove his assessment either. I think you took his statement a good deal more personally than you should have, as he didn't dispute your ideas in the body of the post.

That said, I would be fine with stats as they are if we could parse combat logs, though having stats displayed in their entirety would be more helpful.

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not true, it was retested and the accuracy works in pvp, just not as much as you think

That doesn't actually retract from the point though.

On an item that says "+10 accuracy" in this information starved game you actually expect that +10 accuracy to be... accurate. But it's clearly not :/

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If this were Vegas, they would shut this game down for fraud. It's like betting on a number on a roulette wheel of unknown size and with an unknown number of possible outcomes. 

Reminds me of an example I used on the forums a while ago.

They're smart as ----- though. You can't "buy" durability with real cash nor can you buy RNG boxes, so most of the RNG/hidden values related legislation does not apply.

John goes to the casino with 2000$ and wants to play roulette. When John approaches the roulette table, he notices that the roulette is hidden below a black cloth that only the dealer can manipulate to check the numbers. The dealer tells John that he can only play by 100$ increments, and on different numbers. With that being said, the dealer ensures the system is fair and that there's no scam involved. John decides to play and puts 100$ on 14. The dealer spins the roulette, and unfortunately, tells John he didn't win. As he can only play by 100$ increments and on different numbers, this time, John puts 100$ on 17 and 100$ on 14. This goes on until John doesn't have any money left and leaves the casino.

Now the question is, how likely is it for John to keep going to this casino expecting to win when other casinos don't hide the roulette ?

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Kibelius dyed white is transparent. What do you need more?

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