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Trading - Magnate debuff removed from Velia/Finto Farm/Heidel/Alejandro Farm trade goods - Rolling to master 2 viable again


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Hello there,

The magnate debuff that reduces the amount of maximum trade items you can buy once you reach a certain amount has seemingly been changed with the 26/04/16 update on EU/NA servers, as you can see http://puu.sh/vyOFI/7449b84f0d.png

I then started rolling between Velia and Finto Farm, Heidel and Alejandro Farm to check what was going on and if I could completely ignore the magnate debuff.

Given the fact I haven't had the opportunity to roll actively for more than 30 minutes, I can't 100% confirm that it's correct, but I've been able to completely sell out my items on 3 channels (give or take 400 trade items) without getting affected by the debuff.

On top of that, the amount of XP I won was absurdly high, which lets me think we never got the infamous "50% less XP on trades between managers within 500m of each other" nerf. Over 30 minutes of rolling, I was able to get 11% XP from Master 3 to 4 with 72% life XP bonuses. Rough summary : https://puu.sh/vySgi/df6e579665.png

This would mean the technique used by many traders back in December (when the master 2 hype started) might be viable again to get to master 2.

With that in mind, if the trading XP charts I found are correct (October 2016), it would still take 1670h of rolling to get from M2 to M10 which is kind of silly. I still believe trash crates are the most viable way of getting to master 10.

EDIT : Guide on how to powerlevel master 2, courtesy of AsukiKuro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uGfJQ7pKI - Just add Heidel>Alejandro back and forth inbetween channel swaps.

Edited by Karmek
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Sounds great! Now us filthy casuals can get m2 too!

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Eh it doesnt matter at all if tbh. The real trade profit in active trading nowadays is in Margoria trading which you need a minimum of master 8 trading to earn anything and master 10 recommended to make it the most effective.

Sure you can start the crate crafting empire with M2 but if you want to do any active trading for the real money then best of luck with leveling it.

I get 1% per 1 full run between velia and the nearby farm at M8 so theres some hindsight on how slow the leveling will get once you get bit more trading up.

But yeah atleast leveling trading is viable again.

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Eh it doesnt matter at all if tbh. The real trade profit in active trading nowadays is in Margoria trading which you need a minimum of master 8 trading to earn anything and master 10 recommended to make it the most effective.

Sure you can start the crate crafting empire with M2 but if you want to do any active trading for the real money then best of luck with leveling it.

I get 1% per 1 full run between velia and the nearby farm at M8 so theres some hindsight on how slow the leveling will get once you get bit more trading up.

But yeah atleast leveling trading is viable again.

The main goal of this thread is to act as a PSA for those that are currently stockpiling on trashcrates to get to their M2, and making them aware of the fact rolling just became viable again. I'm not debating whether or not someone should do it to get from M2 to M10 as it is in my opinion a huge timesink for anything above master 4-5, as you will see here.

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Again, if those values are still correct, you would need 283 times as much XP from M2 to M10 than what it takes from B1 to M2.

Admitting you need 35'000 crates for M2 at 116% lifeskill XP, that's 9'905'000 trashcrates which seems absolutely mental. To be honest, I don't know what's worse between 1670h of rolling or the idea of transporting nearly 30bil worth of trashcrates.

EDIT : From a Reddit source, the values have been changed and this chart does not represent the current XP amounts required for M2+.

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But yeah atleast leveling trading is viable again.

It was always. M2 in 2-3 weeks with just little normal trading was perfectly fine.

Probably for guys like you something is only "viable" if it can be exploited, and get master level within a few hours.

Sure you can start the crate crafting empire with M2 but if you want to do any active trading for the real money then best of luck with leveling it.

Already started crates when there was even no desert. You're too stuck in your youtube-guide-world where nothing else is possible but do *exactly* what a streamer tells you.

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Hello there,

The magnate debuff that reduces the amount of maximum trade items you can buy once you reach a certain amount has seemingly been changed with the 26/04/16 update on EU/NA servers, as you can see http://puu.sh/vyOFI/7449b84f0d.png

I then started rolling between Velia and Finto Farm, Heidel and Alejandro Farm to check what was going on and if I could completely ignore the magnate debuff.

Given the fact I haven't had the opportunity to roll actively for more than 30 minutes, I can't 100% confirm that it's correct, but I've been able to completely sell out my items on 3 channels (give or take 400 trade items) without getting affected by the debuff.

On top of that, the amount of XP I won was absurdly high, which lets me think we never got the infamous "50% less XP on trades between managers within 500m of each other" nerf. Over 30 minutes of rolling, I was able to get 11% XP from Master 3 to 4 with 72% life XP bonuses. Rough summary : https://puu.sh/vySgi/df6e579665.png

This would mean the technique used by many traders back in December (when the master 2 hype started) might be viable again to get to master 2.

With that in mind, if the trading XP charts I found are correct (October 2016), it would still take 1670h of rolling to get from M2 to M10 which is kind of silly. I still believe trash crates are the most viable way of getting to master 10.

EDIT : Guide on how to powerlevel master 2, courtesy of AsukiKuro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uGfJQ7pKI - Just add Heidel>Alejandro back and forth inbetween channel swaps.

hmm ill have to math it out.  I didnt make enough junkers to do it that way and had just started wagoning around calpheon.  I was getting about 30% for a 30 min loop.  Wonder if this is better  (granted I can play another game and afk doing the cart)

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It was always. M2 in 2-3 weeks with just little normal trading was perfectly fine.

Probably for guys like you something is only "viable" if it can be exploited, and get master level within a few hours.

Already started crates when there was even no desert. You're too stuck in your youtube-guide-world where nothing else is possible but do *exactly* what a streamer tells you.

Are you dumb or sth? Even when velia rolling was widely used before its nerf, you couldnt get M2 in 2 weeks (unless you nolifed 12 hours a day) so wtf are you talking about?

Ive had my master trading for quite some time now, hence the M8. It was until margoria came out i started to level it again for the high valued trade items but i was with the blockade of magnate effect which limited my trading exp to 10% a day. Sure i could have continued with 50% decreased stock sold to me but that would have been a waste of time - hence why most master traders were pissed by magnete when they wanted to lvl trading.

Havent follow a single youtube guide and never have so stop assuming shit.

I allready have balenos, steel, calpheon and brass crate production empire running since god knows when.

 

I dont mind the higher master trading leveling requirements to be high so propobly im still quite sour from the magnete effect that applied a wall for leveling my master trading any further.

 

You sir are a jackass, good day!

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Hello there,

The magnate debuff that reduces the amount of maximum trade items you can buy once you reach a certain amount has seemingly been changed with the 26/04/16 update on EU/NA servers, as you can see http://puu.sh/vyOFI/7449b84f0d.png

I then started rolling between Velia and Finto Farm, Heidel and Alejandro Farm to check what was going on and if I could completely ignore the magnate debuff.

Given the fact I haven't had the opportunity to roll actively for more than 30 minutes, I can't 100% confirm that it's correct, but I've been able to completely sell out my items on 3 channels (give or take 400 trade items) without getting affected by the debuff.

On top of that, the amount of XP I won was absurdly high, which lets me think we never got the infamous "50% less XP on trades between managers within 500m of each other" nerf. Over 30 minutes of rolling, I was able to get 11% XP from Master 3 to 4 with 72% life XP bonuses. Rough summary : https://puu.sh/vySgi/df6e579665.png

This would mean the technique used by many traders back in December (when the master 2 hype started) might be viable again to get to master 2.

With that in mind, if the trading XP charts I found are correct (October 2016), it would still take 1670h of rolling to get from M2 to M10 which is kind of silly. I still believe trash crates are the most viable way of getting to master 10.

EDIT : Guide on how to powerlevel master 2, courtesy of AsukiKuro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uGfJQ7pKI - Just add Heidel>Alejandro back and forth inbetween channel swaps.

even before removal of magnet we were able to roll 7-8 channels without triggering it. Nothing much changed actually.

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Noticed too that magnate was gone, or at least kicking in much later.

However, the short distance nerf on trade xp is still very much there (as of yesterday), meaning it'll still take you ages longer using rolling, when compared to if you did the same thing last year.

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