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Valk shield against 190ap wizard.

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I tested Valkyie's shield against a 190ap wizard, come to your own conclusions. I have 313DP. I will post gearsheets and gifs below.

Personally I feel my shield is still manageable in PVP but I see some pretty crazy claims here on the forum about it being absolute paper, and we all know even at 190AP the wizard ult is no joke.

My gear - 

Level - 58

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Wizard Gear -

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First test - 25% damage

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2nd test 100% black spirit - damage = 50%

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1v1 the shield isnt that big of a deal. it's in sieges where u now have 15+ people all at the same time, your shield gets destroyed in .5 seconds

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1v1 the shield isnt that big of a deal. it's in sieges where u now have 15+ people all at the same time, your shield gets destroyed in .5 seconds

If you've got 15 people at the same time hitting your shield it SHOULD break instantly, unless you are stacking 400+ DP.

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If you've got 15 people at the same time hitting your shield it SHOULD break instantly, unless you are stacking 400+ DP.

no it shouldnt because valk is intented to be THE front line class. You cant be a front line class when your only defense is gone in LITERALLY under a second.

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no it shouldnt because valk is intented to be THE front line class. You cant be a front line class when your only defense is gone in LITERALLY under a second.

Now you have to make a difference between, what the Valk is intended to be and what it is. The shield was braking instantly vs several evenmys even before bug.

Honestly i`m not sure that our shield is still bugged. I did serveral PVP's and seems fine.

My real test will be vs Mudster - prebug Mudster ult was bringing my shield ~40% after bug it brakes it and deals dmg to me.

I`ll try to attend on next Mudster and test it to be sure.

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no it shouldnt because valk is intented to be THE front line class. You cant be a front line class when your only defense is gone in LITERALLY under a second.

If you want to be an impenetrable wall stack DP, you can't stack AP and expect to facetank 15 people without your shield breaking that just makes no sense.

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If you want to be an impenetrable wall stack DP, you can't stack AP and expect to facetank 15 people without your shield breaking that just makes no sense.

my 390dp build vs my 293dp build in node wars have minimal difference when it comes to holding block on a front line. They both break in under a second since the bug was introduced. I used to be able to stand a good 4-5 seconds on the front line with no issues even against 30+ people.

And honestly? your opinion on the subject doesn't mean anything. You're just spewing uneducated BS with no basis in reality.

No other version of BDO has this bug, it IS a bug, and it IS INTENDED for valks shield to be 2-3x stronger than what it currently is in the NA/EU version. Valks do not have the SA or Frontal block skills that other classes have because of our shield being as strong as it is. Having our shield now be the weakest in the game is GAMEBREAKING for the class which is already at a disadvantage even under the best circumstances in large scale.

Period. 
end of story.
Good day sir.




*edit*

You know what else? YOu have a lot more evasion in your build than he does accuracy, you have a full buff bar and he has no buffs. (misses, which clearly he is missing quite a lot, doesn't lower your shield durability)

Your test is BS, this whole post is BS, and you should go back to your troll cave.

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1v1 the shield isnt that big of a deal. it's in sieges where u now have 15+ people all at the same time, your shield gets destroyed in .5 seconds

I am sure you can see the balance issues if 1 class can stand and shield tank 15+ people.

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I am sure you can see the balance issues if 1 class can stand and shield tank 15+ people.

nuh thats a bhug

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I am sure you can see the balance issues if 1 class can stand and shield tank 15+ people.

please tell me what else a TANK is supposed to do? cause we have the least super armors, no real frontal block skills, and no aoe damage either. so we sit and tank front lines or peel for witchards. wooo smart.
That's actual real balance, gj for noticing.

 

also you can't tank 15+ ppl for LONG, but long enough be a front line, now trying to use block for anything is an instant death sentance because it breaks so fast and then you're get stuck in an animation lock and die.

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please tell me what else a TANK is supposed to do? cause we have the least super armors, no real frontal block skills, and no aoe damage either. so we sit and tank front lines or peel for witchards. wooo smart.That's actual real balance, gj for noticing.

out of all your main skills, only castigatio has no protection, the others are super armour and frontal guard......... and you say least super armour..... i count 5 skills with super amour in your awakening..... i can assure you thats not the least, then theres your unprotected skills which can be done from the safety of block.... and you have so many aoe skill as well

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please tell me what else a TANK is supposed to do?

ok tanks are not supposed to onecombo enemys, tanks are not supposed to have a oneshot ultimate with AOE, tanks are supposed to tank and support.

I mean look at Warrior, he is... oh wait 

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out of all your main skills, only castigatio has no protection, the others are super armour and frontal guard......... and you say least super armour..... i count 5 skills with super amour in your awakening..... i can assure you thats not the least, then theres your unprotected skills which can be done from the safety of block.... and you have so many aoe skill as well

CS (no SA) -> prompt (SA short frame time, just with the explosion) -> cast (no SA, longest frame time coz its x3) -> hast (SA only when dashing, not when stabbing, so short frame time) -> blitz stab (no SA) -> sanctitas de enslar (SA short frame time while marking, iframe when jumping short frame time)

 

Dash with frontal block once every 3secs. Purificatione useful only as a non-istant opening for the stun every 9s, not a spammable frontal block skill.

 

Grab without SA, buffs without SA, breath of elion without SA, Wave of light without SA. Everything else is situational, risky and static so vulnerable to grabs (that's why they slightly increased animation times of terra sancta and verdict) or simply off set

 

Compare it to other "front-liners" melees' combos (looking at the real gameplay, not BDO database) or safety while moving.

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CS (no SA) -> prompt (SA short frame time, just with the explosion) -> cast (no SA, longest frame time coz its x3) -> hast (SA only when dashing, not when stabbing, so short frame time) -> blitz stab (no SA) -> sanctitas de enslar (SA short frame time while marking, iframe when jumping short frame time)

Dash with frontal block once every 3secs. Purificatione useful only as a non-istant opening for the stun every 9s, not a spammable frontal block skill.

Grab without SA, buffs without SA, breath of elion without SA, Wave of light without SA. Everything else is situational, risky and static so vulnerable to grabs (that's why they slightly increased animation times of terra sancta and verdict) or simply off set

Compare it to other "front-liners" melees' combos (looking at the real gameplay, not BDO database) or safety while moving.

why would you start off with celestial spear? if its for the buffs then the no sa applies for other classes who get buffs from non awakening skills.

grab without sa is the norm, only wiz zerk and ninja get sa, but the floating on the your grab should be at least buffed to a bound.

spammable frontal block is if i remember correctly only applicable to sorc with their dark flame cancel.

wiz/witch heal is also without SA.

i've played with a warrior on the front lines, literally what i did most of the time was slashing the dead and grave digging and a reckless blow would be in there too (not 59 yet) maybe a 100% solar flare could be thrown in too, but the rest of the skills would get me killed including doing a grab.

there are also zerkers who have it much much easier with all their super armour on grabs and attack skills as well as all their heals.

then tehres musa, i get 2 skills and 1 flow to do in mass pvp, then i have to run, that does not do much dmg at all, and my hard hitting frontal guard skill has a longer animation than your lancia iustitiae, basically asking to get grabbed or cced from behind 100% of the time....

 

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Personally I feel my shield is still manageable in PVP 

 

 

Hahahahaha, yea go into RBF let's see how long your shield lasts.

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Thats imo not the case...

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ok tanks are not supposed to  one combo enemys

 

WRONG!! a tank can 1 combo enemies if skills are timed correctly. If you think a tank role is to simply front line and provide support to your team you never played a tank role to it's full extend. 

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BDOValkBlock.jpg

Thats imo not the case...

I have tested this in RBF, works as advertised. 

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I have tested this in RBF, works as advertised. 

nope it doesnt And rbf isnt the right Place to test it

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Shield is still bugged 100% confirming after tested on Mudster.

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WRONG!! a tank can 1 combo enemies if skills are timed correctly. If you think a tank role is to simply front line and provide support to your team you never played a tank role to it's full extend. 

diamond rank Tank support player. if my Tank is onecomboing my enemys, i know im plaing a shetgame

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diamond rank Tank support player. if my Tank is onecomboing my enemys, i know im plaing a shetgame

 

then why are u here low ranker 

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please tell me what else a TANK is supposed to do? cause we have the least super armors, no real frontal block skills, and no aoe damage either. so we sit and tank front lines or peel for witchards. wooo smart.That's actual real balance, gj for noticing.

 

also you can't tank 15+ ppl for LONG, but long enough be a front line, now trying to use block for anything is an instant death sentance because it breaks so fast and then you're get stuck in an animation lock and die.

Well a tank class should do very little dmg to any other non tank class but in this game ( before the bug // nerf ) a valk could sit in block and one shot ppl around with the right gear so please dont consider valk as just a tank cuz if u play it as tank u clearly dont know how to play.. 

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my 390dp build vs my 293dp build in node wars have minimal difference when it comes to holding block on a front line. They both break in under a second since the bug was introduced. I used to be able to stand a good 4-5 seconds on the front line with no issues even against 30+ people.
And honestly? your opinion on the subject doesn't mean anything. You're just spewing uneducated BS with no basis in reality.

No other version of BDO has this bug, it IS a bug, and it IS INTENDED for valks shield to be 2-3x stronger than what it currently is in the NA/EU version. Valks do not have the SA or Frontal block skills that other classes have because of our shield being as strong as it is. Having our shield now be the weakest in the game is GAMEBREAKING for the class which is already at a disadvantage even under the best circumstances in large scale.

Period. 
end of story.
Good day sir.




*edit*

You know what else? YOu have a lot more evasion in your build than he does accuracy, you have a full buff bar and he has no buffs. (misses, which clearly he is missing quite a lot, doesn't lower your shield durability)

Your test is BS, this whole post is BS, and you should go back to your troll cave.

I don't really much care if you think your opinion is somehow more valid than anyone elses, my personal experiences vastly differ to yours which puts me at a different perspective to you. Please in the future take the time to understand there other people in this world have different opinions and they are in no way more or less valid than your own.

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I'd be okay with tanks not killing in 1 combo enemies when and only when enemies won't kill tanks in 1 combo as well.

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