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PayToWin in this game is not the same as others games.

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----- age of Wushu man played that Game for 2+ years i am done with its P2W ass.

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Without even reading it I can just say p2w in this game is not the same as others because people don't know what the hell p2w means anymore. They throw it on anything and everything with so much as a 0.01% better then something else. If cash shop as so much as a +2 dancing skill even if it effects NOTHING people will call foul. 

These days words are casually thrown around if they so much as have a slight somewhat similarity. 

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The term pay to win is grossly abused. It has become a taboo and I believe people are starting to abusing (well started long ago) for their agenda.

They know companies do everything possible to distance themselves from the stigma and thus try to use the term to blackmail said companies into doing what them want them to do. I think, maybe wrong but suspect I am not, some just dont want to buy anything off the market and while they dont care about cosmetics they care about maximizing everything so even though costumes might give a small 10% XP boost they have to have that and thus try to stripe that boost so they can safely ignore the cashshop since it would be selling nothing they care about. 

Whats my basis for this? when Guild wars 2 launched people still argued it is pay to win even though devs went to extreme lengths to make sure it just couldnt be. What argument was used back then? Guild wars 2 endgame is exclusively cosmetic thus buying cosmetic items off the cash shop is pay to win. 

People, MMOs arent perfectly balanced machines. Sure 25% extra XP may seem like a big advantage but its not. Not everyone can play the exact amount of time and if anything mechanics like these level the playfield rather then create an advantage. Someone who works long hours can never put in the same amount of time as a student or someone looking for a job for example. These things bring balance there rather then upset it.Even then ultimately its a matter of time, worst case it will take those who do not get the same boost a bit longer but its never going to be an advantage that cant be countered without spending money. Sure there is no level cap and sure progressing makes you more powerful but keep in mind the leveling curve is exponential, it takes more then 25% more effort to get to the next level once you go beyond the soft cap and thus catching up for anyone who doesnt have these buffs will get easier and easier. 

We as players really need to start to be careful how we use terms. Pay to win used to mean something, now it seems to me it means nothing more then this cash shop is selling stuff I would feel inclined to buy and thats bad imho.

 

 

Except Guild Wars 2 is not that. It has 300 skills level, but only 8 skills slot. I never complaint about it in Guild Wars 2 because even with a few stats gain from items, it is not a big deal.

In Guild Wars 2, I still have 25k gems left to spend, but since I got bore from the game, I just left and didn't even bother to post anything, such a waste of time.

Without even reading it I can just say p2w in this game is not the same as others because people don't know what the hell p2w means anymore. They throw it on anything and everything with so much as a 0.01% better then something else. If cash shop as so much as a +2 dancing skill even if it effects NOTHING people will call foul. 

These days words are casually thrown around if they so much as have a slight somewhat similarity. 

All I said is different types of game have different ways to define P2W. Sure people throw it around a lot, but since I care about this game and I see many similar things to Age of BULLSHIT (Age of Wushu), I am just trying to make this game not to follow the footstep of that game.

I like this game and will probably spend at least 2-3 years on it. Maybe play Tree of Savior a little, then Lost Ark for relax time, but this game so far is the type I want to play for long time.

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How much money can you spend? I was in a few games with top guild where people could spend 5000+ dollars into the game to get ahead.

In the case of Age of Wushu where 2 people in my guild spent over 10000+ USD and the enemy guild with 1 person spent almost 20000 dollars. 2 people in my guild, 1 have a private jet and another has a family owned casino.

Do you think you can spend or work hard enough to get to that level? Isn't the whole point of this post to talk about P2W and prevent such things?

Yes. People work hard for their money. There aren't many opportunities where money is free. There is always a cost. Yes I've spent more than 20k on gaming, but I also save money and have a monthly limit. I prioritize what  I spend on. Gaming is always last. Talking about the general public. Not everyone has private planes. Just because your 1 friend is rich doesn't mean that you can change the game just for him. Most people make around 75,000 to 100,000 per year for total house income. Time spent is time spent. Whether it is grinding in game or life. It's similar to transfer your hard earned hours from real life into the game. Money is just a currency given to you base on the effort that you put it. It is a reward and nothing else. Just like leveling is a reward from grinding. You need time to make money and you need time to grind. It is fair. Pay to win or not. 

From a perspective of a person that never wants to spend money on a game(I was once like this before I got a job and went to college), it seems unfair but in reality it is just you being lazy and not exploring opportunities that the world has to offer.,. That is their choice and I respect that so it is only fair if you respect people who spend money on the game as well.

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Except Guild Wars 2 is not that. It has 300 skills level, but only 8 skills slot. I never complaint about it in Guild Wars 2 because even with a few stats gain from items, it is not a big deal.

In Guild Wars 2, I still have 25k gems left to spend, but since I got bore from the game, I just left and didn't even bother to post anything, such a waste of time.

I am not even talking about armor which give you stats, I am talking about skins that have 0 stats whatsoever. People still argued its pay to win. Just to be clear we are talking about items that give 0 advantage, not negligible advantage or microscopic but 0. Yet people still found a way to call it pay to win and a way to justify their argument. 

Thats what led me to believe, people might be throwing the term pay to win around to stir companies into shaping cash shops. 

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Wait what? ô_O
Reading this i would asume you are too broke and too frustrated with games ô_O Well... or both...

The Shop contains convinience items:
-Fashion & Colors
-Reset & Boosts
Boosts are totaly legit in this era of gaming.
You can not sell those items from the shop for in game currency so you can not really get digitaly rich by puting real money in the game ô.o 
So... where the heck is that pay to win?
 

I do not get it... why are there ALWAYS people who simply can NOT get ENOUGH!? Why is there always someone who has to complain more and more and more and push those topics to a corner where everyone only thinks its mimimi as soon as somone mentions the topic? THIS is what leads those topics to be frowned uppon!
Thanks OP.

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*edit* spelling mistake
 

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Yes. People work hard for their money. There aren't many opportunities where money is free. There is always a cost. Yes I've spent more than 20k on gaming, but I also save money and have a monthly limit. I prioritize what  I spend on. Gaming is always last. Talking about the general public. Not everyone has private planes. Just because your 1 friend is rich doesn't mean that you can change the game just for him. Most people make around 75,000 to 100,000 per year for total house income. Time spent is time spent. Whether it is grinding in game or life. It's similar to transfer your hard earned hours from real life into the game. Money is just a currency given to you base on the effort that you put it. It is a reward and nothing else. Just like leveling is a reward from grinding. You need time to make money and you need time to grind. It is fair. Pay to win or not. 

From a perspective of a person that never wants to spend money on a game(I was once like this before I got a job and went to college), it seems unfair but in reality it is just you being lazy and not exploring opportunities that the world has to offer.,. That is their choice and I respect that so it is only fair if you respect people who spend money on the game as well.

So to sum up your argument, you think rich people should have advantage in game. The richer they are, the better advantage.

What you seem to think is P2W is fine and should be allow.

Maybe this game is not for you. Perfect World, Rohan is what you like, heck Age of BULLSHIT will fit your ideas best where the richest people can spent their real money instead of ingame time to get everything they want.

Wait what? ô_O
Reading this i would asume you are too broke and too frustrated with games ô_O Well... or both...

The Shop contains convinience items:
-Fashion & Colors
-Reset & Boosts
Boosts are totaly legit in this era of gaming.
You can not sell those items from the shop for in game currency so you can not really get digitaly rich by puting real money in the game ô.o 
So... where the heck is that pay to win?
 

I do not get it... why are there ALWAYS people who simply can NOT get ENOUGH!? Why is there always someone who has to complain more and more and more and push those topics to a corner where everyone only thinks its mimimi as soon as somone mentions the topic? THIS is what leads those topics to be frowned uppon!
Thanks OP.

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*edit* spelling mistake
 

Sigh, another person who never read and think. Boosted are fine for game with HARD CAP LEVEL. however with game that has soft cap and No level cap, it is not fine. Seriously, go look at Age of Wushu then, you are looking at the future of this game on that game if it heads to that direction.

Oh sure, I don't want to spend money, I guess I am playing this game for free and didn't pre-order it. Seriously, this type of supporting the rich where you get no benefits at all. It's the same mentality of slaves in the past where someone killed your masters and freed you, you would try to kill that person or blame them for setting your future into uncertain path. Submissive syndrome.

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If you dont like it, dont play it. 

Pay to Win is just that. 

having a 10% exp boost is not going to make you win.

Next you will argue that those who cannot play 12 hours a day are too poor off and there needs to be a time cap on play time to balance it. 

You seem to be really trying to make something out of nothing. 
Pay to Win is not the same as Pay for Convenience. 

You seem to think that when someone says its not P2W then they are too narrow minded, but in truth you are too much of a nit picker. 
The levels in this as well as wushu (played that too) is more of a skill based game, not points based. 

a regular player that plays well will beat a moron with twink gear giving a slight boost to exp. 
maybe the issue you keep getting beaten and you are looking for another reason for it other then lack of skill?

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3 to 10- days ? jesus crap on a crusket... players today really have no idea what a true MMO is. As for "different pay to win" LOL pay to win is pay to win. There are no "variations"... Its ALL bad. Period.

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So to sum up your argument, you think rich people should have advantage in game. The richer they are, the better advantage.

What you seem to think is P2W is fine and should be allow.

Maybe this game is not for you. Perfect World, Rohan is what you like, heck Age of BULLSHIT will fit your ideas best where the richest people can spent their real money instead of ingame time to get everything they want.

Sigh, another person who never read and think. Boosted are fine for game with HARD CAP LEVEL. however with game that has soft cap and No level cap, it is not fine. Seriously, go look at Age of Wushu then, you are looking at the future of this game on that game if it heads to that direction.

Oh sure, I don't want to spend money, I guess I am playing this game for free and didn't pre-order it. Seriously, this type of supporting the rich where you get no benefits at all. It's the same mentality of slaves in the past where someone killed your masters and freed you, you would try to kill that person or blame them for setting your future into uncertain path. Submissive syndrome.

 

No I was using that as an example. I didn't not even begin to support that rich people should have more advantages. However I do believe that if they are rich, let them do what they want with their money. Most of the time they are rich for a reason. They work hard too. What I am trying to say is that it is fair. If your spend a lot of time grinding, they spend a lot of time earning money. I was trying to speak for the general population and I was only pointing out that not everyone is rich. 75,000 to 100,000 per year is considered average for most countries. 

Also why are you saying that this game is not for me? You're assuming that since I think that paying for in game items that I don't deserve to play the game? in fact it is the opposite. I have a limit to how much I spend. I never go pass that limit. I paid for early access because I enjoy the game. You shouldn't judge people base on an opinion that doesn't even relate to my taste in games. If I like a game then I'm going to play it. How I play it doesn't concern you and you shouldn't try to insult others and tell them to get out.

"richest people can spent their real money instead of ingame time to get everything they want.", People spend time to earn money as well. Grinding isn't the only option. INFACT people still have to grind even if they pay money in this game. Time spent is time spent whether you ONLY grind for leveling or you use that time to earn money to lower the process of grinding. Some make minimum wage and money is actually HARDER for them to earn than grinding in a game is. i'M SAYING THAT IT IS fair FOR PEOPLE TO SPEND MONEY ON THIS GAME because of the work that they put in.

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Without even reading it I can just say p2w in this game is not the same as others because people don't know what the hell p2w means anymore. They throw it on anything and everything with so much as a 0.01% better then something else. If cash shop as so much as a +2 dancing skill even if it effects NOTHING people will call foul. 

These days words are casually thrown around if they so much as have a slight somewhat similarity. 

I agree though I suspect we have completely ideas of how much constitutes 'win'. It would be better if people talked about 'pay for in game advantage'. Pay to win is far more emotive which is why people use the expression of course.

Clearly in BDO you can pay for in game advantage. It is actually a fairly significant advantage. People try and obfuscate this by saying 'but the free player can grind more' or if they are more skillful  or have better gear they can mitigate it but, assuming two players with similar commitment and skill the one that has paid will actually 'win'. If you are examining a variable you must hold other variables constant or it is a meaningless comparison.

In a game that was not PvPcentric this would not be a problem. In a game with a level cap this would arguably be less of an issue. In BDO, a game that has competitive Pvp as a significant part of its long term proposition, paying for an advantage will be unacceptable to a proportion of the player base. Obviously the bigger the advantage the more of the player base will find it unacceptable.

For me its the paid pets that I find absolutely horrible. you have to spend far to long looting or suffer a silver disadvantage against some one that has paid for pets. To me they are not pay for convenience items they are pay to not be tediously inconvenienced. 

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The issue is with more time. Few have past level 60 mainly those with lots of items, equipment that have XP Boosted.

It is not a big issue when within 1000 hours. However, open your mind and realize this, with like 25% xp boosted,

1000 hours for normal players, 750 hours for paid players.                    250 hours saved.

2000 hours for normal players, 1500 hours for paid players.                  500 hours saved.

5000 hours for normal players, 3750 hours for paid players.                  1250 hours saved.

10000 hours for normal players, 7500 hours for paid players.                2500 hours saved.

And continue on, with 1 year of playing, paid players save around 3 months. Do you really think this is not a big issue now? Not to mention -10% death penalty, this will be HUGE, everyone will PvP in some point, the price get lessen is a big problem since some are willing to die for like 10 times, but with -10% death penalty allows that person to die 11 times, and it continues to grow with more deaths.

The amount of complaining you've done already could've gotten you at least 1-3 parts of a full costume for BDO if you were working....you only need 2-3 parts to get the attributes that saves you all of this "time" you mention....quit whining and get a job maybe?

 

Don't go out and watch a movie and skip out on the Happy Meal and maybe you will be able to invest in a full costume that will save you a lot of hours in-game? Because it's worth it right? $30 is like 2 - 4 hours of work....and obviously it's worth the investment because you save a ton of hours in-game just because of it.

 

Do you want free hand-outs? You like mooching off of other people? What's the matter? These people work their asses off and are trying to get their paycheck and live too. It doesn't even sound like you have a job at all because you don't see their WORK as WORK at all.....you just want everything in this game for free.... get a job. $30 isn't shit.

 

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In other news:

 

A new type of psychiatric disorder; "P2W-phrenia".Subjects with this disorder have a history of prolonged exposure to the MMO gaming genre, hallmarks of this disorder include : Anxiety, paranoid delusions and emotional lability, with a few select features of Avoidant personality disorder.

Subjects are obsessed with daily MMO gaming stressors, and feelings of inadequacy, which manifest in the form of a fictional perceived tormentor or delusions of conspiracy, commonly referred to as "Pay to win".

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Yes. People work hard for their money. There aren't many opportunities where money is free. There is always a cost. Yes I've spent more than 20k on gaming, but I also save money and have a monthly limit. I prioritize what  I spend on. Gaming is always last. Talking about the general public. Not everyone has private planes. Just because your 1 friend is rich doesn't mean that you can change the game just for him. Most people make around 75,000 to 100,000 per year for total house income. Time spent is time spent. Whether it is grinding in game or life. It's similar to transfer your hard earned hours from real life into the game. Money is just a currency given to you base on the effort that you put it. It is a reward and nothing else. Just like leveling is a reward from grinding. You need time to make money and you need time to grind. It is fair. Pay to win or not. 

From a perspective of a person that never wants to spend money on a game(I was once like this before I got a job and went to college), it seems unfair but in reality it is just you being lazy and not exploring opportunities that the world has to offer.,. That is their choice and I respect that so it is only fair if you respect people who spend money on the game as well.

Sorry sunshine, but if you think the average income is 100k a year, for average house. You are far FAR to young an have never held a job outside macca's.All you young ones ranting how get a job blah blah,.....

 

screw it, wasting my breath on these idiots ...

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The amount of complaining you've done already could've gotten you at least 1-3 parts of a full costume for BDO if you were working....you only need 2-3 parts to get the attributes that saves you all of this "time" you mention....quit whining and get a job maybe?

 

Don't go out and watch a movie and skip out on the Happy Meal and maybe you will be able to invest in a full costume that will save you a lot of hours in-game? Because it's worth it right? $30 is like 2 - 4 hours of work....and obviously it's worth the investment because you save a ton of hours in-game just because of it.

 

Do you want free hand-outs? You like mooching off of other people? What's the matter? These people work their asses off and are trying to get their paycheck and live too. It doesn't even sound like you have a job at all because you don't see their WORK as WORK at all.....you just want everything in this game for free.... get a job. $30 isn't shit.

 

 

You must be joking. You are accusing people of not having jobs because they can spot an obvious rip off? You honestly think 30$ isn't overpriced for CHARACTER-BOUND COSTUME? You'll want some for all your alts, so it quickly adds up. You don't see anything wrong with us being one of the only B2P regions and still having a F2P cash shop? Also the fact that ALL ARMOR CUSTOMIZATION IS FROM THE CASH SHOP IN AN MMORPG. You will be in RAGS at max level unless you spend a crap load of money. No one wants free things from the cash shop. They want reasonable prices.

If I was a company, I would prey to have idiot consumers such as yourself. 

"These people worked their asses off!!"

Totally. The game itself is fine except for the obvious customization issues and the voice acting. Have you heard the voice acting? By far the worst in any MMO I've played. Seriously, it's pathetic.

 

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Sorry bud, while I agree with you about "P2W", and I have played Age of Wushu since the beta started and quit a couple months ago, this game is far from that level.  $30 is not P2W.................... If you played AoW that was just 3 months of their "VIP" subscription.

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The amount of complaining you've done already could've gotten you at least 1-3 parts of a full costume for BDO if you were working....you only need 2-3 parts to get the attributes that saves you all of this "time" you mention....quit whining and get a job maybe?

 

Don't go out and watch a movie and skip out on the Happy Meal and maybe you will be able to invest in a full costume that will save you a lot of hours in-game? Because it's worth it right? $30 is like 2 - 4 hours of work....and obviously it's worth the investment because you save a ton of hours in-game just because of it.

 

Do you want free hand-outs? You like mooching off of other people? What's the matter? These people work their asses off and are trying to get their paycheck and live too. It doesn't even sound like you have a job at all because you don't see their WORK as WORK at all.....you just want everything in this game for free.... get a job. $30 isn't shit.

 

 

This is a completely flawed argument. You could make the costumes $300 or $3000 and say 'get a better job or do more overtime' using your basic premise. $3000 dollars isn't shit to some of us doesn't make that the right price for a costume. The issue (for me) is not whether people can afford it but whether its should be expected to put money into a game with competitive PvP to remain competitive. Take stats off costumes and pets out of the store and they can charge what they like as far as I am concerned. of course the only people that will suffer ultimately are Daum shareholders.

Oh and attacking the people that are making the argument ('moochers that want hand outs') just make you look sad and don't deal with the issue that you can pay for in game advantage. 

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the only thing i see is people stuck on level over all but thats just not how it works gear then skill then level and skill points are amazing but skill points are obtained mostly through combat exp which is not what the buff gives it gives character xp which is another ball game all im trying to point out is you guys are looking at it wrong. you can be level 53 with +5 gear and i could 50 with +15 and i would shit on you. you can be 53 with +15 gear and me 50 with +15 gear and if im a decent player and you are a decent player i can still beat you character level is not the main defining factor in this game. however if you get stuck in that mentality you wont make it far or long in BDO 

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Let me get this straight, exp boosts are now pay 2 win ? you people will always fuking complain no matter how good you have it. The game needs to make revenue u know, and cosmetics and vanity items arent gonna cut it. 10% extra exp is  nothing when leveling technically you will be at 80% EXP and the other with 90% exp with only costume, how is that a big deal ?. Enough with this sh1t.

levels equate to power.  No level cap means a player who payswill always be higher in the power struggle.  I think you can get a combined permanent 25% experience bonus through cash shop items.

Now, because there is no level cap, a person who buys these permant boosts will level 25% faster.

If two players each spend 2000 hours leveling, the cash shop player will get an 500 hours of bonus experience or be 25% more powerful based on comparable levels.

Unlike a game that has a level cap, in which there is a max level of power all players can reach, the game without a level cap is only limited be who has the most experience.

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levels equate to power.  No level cap means a player who payswill always be higher in the power struggle.  I think you can get a combined permanent 25% experience bonus through cash shop items.

Now, because there is no level cap, a person who buys these permant boosts will level 25% faster.

If two players each spend 2000 hours leveling, the cash shop player will get an 500 hours of bonus experience or be 25% more powerful based on comparable levels.

Unlike a game that has a level cap, in which there is a max level of power all players can reach, the game without a level cap is only limited be who has the most experience.

Read above thank you

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Read above thank you

and what happens when both have comparable gear but one guy is level 100 due to the 25% bonus and the other is only level 75?

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Nobody or only you? Funny you think you are protecting the game when you are just closed your eyes and ears.

If I care nothing about this game, I would just ignore everything and move on. Read history, many countries got destroy because people like you who just tell others to shut up and some go out and kill any people who complaints. The result is the country will get worse and worse. Nothing progress, since no complaint, the rulers will think everything is fine and continue that way until people got suppress no longer and eventually everything fall apart.

 

Wo. We gotta stop the Daumzis. 

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That was ridiculous.

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the only thing i see is people stuck on level over all but thats just not how it works gear then skill then level and skill points are amazing but skill points are obtained mostly through combat exp which is not what the buff gives it gives character xp which is another ball game all im trying to point out is you guys are looking at it wrong. you can be level 53 with +5 gear and i could 50 with +15 and i would shit on you. you can be 53 with +15 gear and me 50 with +15 gear and if im a decent player and you are a decent player i can still beat you character level is not the main defining factor in this game. however if you get stuck in that mentality you wont make it far or long in BDO 

Here is what I see so far with previous gaming experiences. A guild with lots of people have CS outfits will able to level faster and in first week able to get first castle, then come the taxes for better equipment.

Then with better equipment, comes with faster leveling and continue to control castle for longer periods of time.

To sum it up, not only they are leveling faster than you, but will be able to get better gears than you.

How can a level 50 +15 equipment with decent player able to beat a lv 53 +15 equipment with another decent player? Unless you are talking about classes different, but then again you somehow think with less advantage, you still win in the end is beyond me, lol.

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and what happens when both have comparable gear but one guy is level 100 due to the 25% bonus and the other is only level 75?

 

Just buy the -----ing costume if you enjoy the game enough.

Even if the prices are high, you will probably get a stroke if you don't get one. Health comes first man.

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and what happens when both have comparable gear but one guy is level 100 due to the 25% bonus and the other is only level 75?

sorry nobody is 75 and people dont even dream of 100 right now. by the time any even sees 100 in the next 3 years the soft cap will be raised with in 5 levels i think at pretty much all times so again i doubt you will ever see this

 

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