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To Those Insisting PvP is "Dead" With These Patch Notes


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Stop complaining, PvP is even more punishing in South Korea than NA and EU. They lose way more karma than we do. Daum did us a favor, this system is in place here so legitimate PvP can take place and not just a bunch of griefers being tools. I approve of what Daum has done when it comes to PvP, please do not change it for the small but loud group of people that insist that PvP is dead because of this patch. It's nowhere near dead for actual PvPers! 

We have castle sieges and guild wars still, and I am looking forward to those quite a bit. Also, I'm looking forward to not having to help my guildies because they are getting ganked by "douchebros" who are way higher level than them.

Koreans are care bears for one.  Pvp is dead with the cbt2 patch. Karma needs to be Dec

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Pros can easily lock people out of things in any game.  

not this game

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not this game

You have not played this game much then.

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Maybe

 

 

You have not played this game much then.

maybe longer than you

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Maybe

 

 

maybe longer than you

At best I'd say we're even.

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There is never a reason to PK. There just is not a reason to do it. 

RPGs have some interesting things that mirror life and some that don't. PvP mirrors life the most. PvP wars between guilds make sense... well as much sense as real war. Castle sieges and epic fantasy elements. But OWPvP is dumb because it isn't PvP. It is a coward attacking someone trying to catch them from behind or while they are attacking mobs.. You want a fair fight you ask for a dual and go to a dual arena. In the real world we don't go around murdering people.. there are consequences that prevent the vast majority of people on this planet for murdering each other to take their loot. 

The Karma system should be there to mean that if you are being harassed by a KS griever you can take action, but not so you can just go around ganking people. PvPers ruin games.. they seem to think they are the only gamers that matter. 

That being said... 63k (total loss (30 to start 33 more if you kill) I can live with it will let you deal with issues here and there if need be but will help limit the PKers grieving people. If you want to go around killing people play Call Of Duty or LoL 

If you want to play a RPG and participate in more than just PvP well go find another game... 


And I know the usually suspects are going to say.. Carebear or White Knights ruin games and PvPers make games.. no they break them. They are going to say "it wasn't like this when the game launched in Korea" maybe not.. but asshats ruined it for everyone and it is people that make those complaints that are the ones that ruined it. 

Daum is trying to find a compromise that will let you hunt PKers (which people already want to exploit with multiple accounts, because they are the exact reason why such heavy restrictions are put on it) They are doing their best to appease the closet psychotics out there. 

I will say what I say about everything.. why don't we give it some time and see what Daum has and if see if it works. If it doesn't than we can ask for a change. 

I really don't know what the PvP will be like. The Classes all seem fairly decent compared to something like WoW where I played support classes and often got ruined by OWPvP but loved objective based OWPvP.. I loved sitting on the bridge at AV and watching the Horde stop at the bridge and not move for minutes wondering why a single dwarf was alone. We actually won matches because I could delay them just long enough.. (they'd always send a rogue over, who'd get destroyed because I was prepared for them) which give time for more defenders to show up... They never caught on and realized I was alone not with a group of rogues and druids.) those are the PvP experiences I loved. It fit my play style and was more than a health grind. 

I played EvE for 2 years rarely PvP'd the most I had to deal with PvP was Gate gankers. Which is the reason I finally left because I hated having to stop playing and wait for an escort, worse having to pay for one, which would eat into my profits all because one gate was .4 space to where I wanted to go, and I'd still get popped half the time. The incentive for them was there to do that... 

If Incentive for OWPvP was added they would lie in wait near farming areas find people and just attack them anytime they got into a fight. using the mobs as a weapon. Preying on people.. that isn't PvP. The if PvP&E 




 

Edited by Kaziklu
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Just because they have it worse (I was there nobody PKd for any reason) doesn't mean we have it truly better.

people need to not be punished for days on end because they PKd some asshat who was KSing and talking trash.

high karma loss is a restriction of freedom. It lends to the loss of the games original sandbox values.

im not saying pks shouldn't have weight, they should, but the reduction we've had isn't enough and they know it. 

You can't even Pvp till 45 now, so the lowbies are safe, at 45 + Pvp adds to the dangers and freedoms  of the open world. Restrictive karma strangles it right back into stagnation.

I've heard this sad excuse for PK way too many times in these forums. If you are really at a maturity level where you can't mentally handle changing a channel or, you know, ignoring a person-well, maybe you're not quite mature enough for online games.

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You have to run to a town to switch channels.

I'm not going out of my way to run from a jackass. I want the right to handle my problems with swift action not cowardice.

Typical PvEer mindset. Say a bunch of insulting words and expect the system to protect you from consequences. You do that, then KS us in safety and act like we're the bad guys for wanting you dead.

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Give us a PVP server. If they are really worried about "ganking noobs" then make it not flag everyone PVP on said PVP server till the character is level 50.

PVP is supposed to be the end game to BDO from what I read and the current system in the game makes that a joke IMO.

 

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There is never a reason to PK...

Lol what?
I do not agree with your way of thinking -> my personal reason to PK you at this point. In game it could be used for aggressive intimidation or sheer fun. It definitely can be used for griefing,sure, but if there is a sub-system (a.k.a. bounty hunter sys.) that allows players to take PK situation under their personal control, why not to try and implement it?

Gate camping in eve online is a legit "profession" that requires preparation to execute things correctly ( obviously designed not for kind-hearted people). If you do not analyse your surroundings, scan or ask for help, going in low-sec without solid preparations becomes your personal fault.
 

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open world PVP is flawed and stupid game design anyway, good riddance never come back pls.

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Lol what?I do not agree with your way of thinking -> my personal reason to PK you at this point. In game it could be used for aggressive intimidation or sheer fun. It definitely can be used for griefing,sure, but if there is a sub-system (a.k.a. bounty hunter sys.) that allows players to take PK situation under their personal control, why not to try and implement it?

Gate camping in eve online is a legit "profession" that requires preparation to execute things correctly ( obviously designed not for kind-hearted people). If you do not analyse your surroundings, scan or ask for help, going in low-sec without solid preparations becomes your personal fault.
 

Never said Gate Camping wasn't a legit profession I just got tired of having to get an escort and having to still occasionally be the sole target of the campers because I'm in an Indy.. I was a care bear admittedly.. I just lost interest in it.. I love EvE i've gone back a few times got other to go in... as much as I love it I just not the right player for it... Now here we have a game where I am the right player for it.. and PvPers may not be the right players. But they are demanding they changes to suit them... I never once complained about gate campers to CCP.. Ever. It was part of the game. Ore Thieves pissed me off and they fixed that with Secure Cans but that is a whole other thing, and even then that was just because people exploited a feature both to mine and to steal. 

Here though the PKing seems the desire to be primarily (no matter the original intent) PvP  Node/Castle Sieges, and Guild Wars) With Boss Summoning and World Bosses being the PvE being the end game... which the spawn points them selves can become PvP centres. Too many people came in and were just jerks.. and so the Karma system ended that. 

The issue isn't with the system it is with the Attitude and total lack of moral fibre of the PvPers that ruin it for everyone.. I would love to slaughter a KS griever who just goes out of their way to be an ass.. and that may happen.. and I'd take the Karma Hit if need be. But it means the consequence to your action requires you to pick and choose when to do that... just like in life.. you don't punch people in the face even if you want too unless it really is a bad situation.

Let me be Clear when I say Never ok to PK I don't mean PvP ... I mean seeing a toon a lone farming away and you wait for a moment when they start a camp and come in and start attacking them while they have 5-10 mobs going. That is the majority of PKing. It isn't about a fair fight it is about trying to ambush someone. Otherwise PvPers would hang out at the Dual Arena's... and just have it set that if you set foot in a dual arena you are fair game. There is no Karma loss when you do it and you can fight to your hearts content... That is already in the game. 

It isn't OWPvP because OWPvP is just a "nice" way of saying Ganking people to take pleasure in making life difficult for others much like sociopaths do when they kill small animals. 

You want proper OWPvP go join a PvP Guild and declare war on another PvP Guild and you can hunt each other as much as you like

Edited by Kaziklu

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I'm glad that now that CBT2 has happened and many more people have played the game, they realize:

1. BDO is just so much more than just a PVP game. There's so much to do for every playstyle! 

2. RPK players without restrictions would ruin things for the many hundreds of thousands of players who want to enjoy all of BDO and not just random PK asshattery.

Valencia will come out soon enough and provide some balance for the hardcore red players, but karma in either its current form or some modified one is a good idea.

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If this is their answer they need to do the right thing and stop defining this game as a sandbox mmo.

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lol the necro...also look at all the optimism that something would replace the shit system in place now

 

karma bombers still running wild in 2017

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lets be honest since when PVP is a thing in Bdo, cmon guys dont make me laugh :D

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