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Wiggles Pay2Win Discussion Ft. LazyPeon

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No point to argue hit u  in a set + 15 another in + 16 or 17 will wreck u all day long u do like zero dmg .

I've been able to beat +16-18 geared players in KR while having mostly +15 yellow gear.
Like I said, you have to be good to win. Learn other's ability sets. Learn what you need to do to counter other's attacks.
If you know when to peel you can survive. If you know when to block and when not to block, guess what? You can survive.
If your enemy doesnt block or dodge or run, they'll die eventually.

Deny it all you want.  Doesnt make it any less valid of a fact.

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Regardless of whether or not you believe the game is already p2w, you can't deny the fact that Daum LIED about the cash shop being purely cosmetic.

Regardless of whether or not you believe the game is already p2w, you can't deny the fact that Daum LIED about the cash shop being purely cosmetic.

Regardless of whether or not you believe the game is already p2w, you can't deny the fact that Daum LIED about the cash shop being purely cosmetic.

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Still waiting for an announcement on prices from Daum.

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btw: WTF is up with the forums!!???

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btw: WTF is up with the forums!!???

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btw: WTF is up with the forums!!???

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The cash shop is hardly pay to win, as the items from the pearl store are cosmetic and provide little (if any) real advantage - and certainly don't provide anything to players that is unattainable in-game. Also, you can't sell these items on the marketplace - which is the biggest aspect of pay to win - as players are able to exchange real life money for in-game currency. That feature isn't available in Black Desert Online.

I'm not quite sure why you are telling me it's not pay to win. I did not say it is. I just think people should stop saying the set buffs really don't matter at all because if they did not matter everyone would easily agree that those buffs should be removed from the costumes. Clearly people want them even if they keep preaching they are hardly useful.

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How can you not understand that having 3 tier 3 pets makes a world of difference? you can literally make triple the amount of silver an hour compared to someone who doesn't have those pets, if that is not an advantage then i don't know what is. (Don't forget that "silver = gear" in this game)

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How can you not understand that having 3 tier 3 pets makes a world of difference? you can literally make triple the amount of silver an hour compared to someone who doesn't have those pets, if that is not an advantage then i don't know what is. (Don't forget that "silver = gear" in this game)

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R U CRYING? u have no money to buy a few pets? just buy 3 pets. 27$ forget breeding to higher tier.

It is a advantage. but it wont stop u from getting the full experience of the game.

Some of you seriously dont have a fking clue wat p2w is.

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Are we really even surprised anymore by the fact that the majority of mmos launch one way and within a year switch gears via the cash shop going from cosmetic to p2w, or their initial business model be it the game going free to play or sub based ect. This world is fickle when it comes to mmo's and honestly the game will do well any direction that DAUM decides to go. Just sit back and enjoy the game for what it is, don't get caught up in all the political mumble jumbo of the game that ends up ruining the experience for everyone.

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That was not a discussion, but a conversation. Just wanted to point that out.

Oh, and I agree with the boat. :ph34r: 

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Are we really even surprised anymore by the fact that the majority of mmos launch one way and within a year switch gears via the cash shop going from cosmetic to p2w, or their initial business model be it the game going free to play or sub based ect. This world is fickle when it comes to mmo's and honestly the game will do well any direction that DAUM decides to go. Just sit back and enjoy the game for what it is, don't get caught up in all the political mumble jumbo of the game that ends up ruining the experience for everyone.

Are we really even surprised anymore by the fact that the majority of mmos launch one way and within a year switch gears via the cash shop going from cosmetic to p2w, or their initial business model be it the game going free to play or sub based ect. This world is fickle when it comes to mmo's and honestly the game will do well any direction that DAUM decides to go. Just sit back and enjoy the game for what it is, don't get caught up in all the political mumble jumbo of the game that ends up ruining the experience for everyone.

this.

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How can you not understand that having 3 tier 3 pets makes a world of difference? you can literally make triple the amount of silver an hour compared to someone who doesn't have those pets, if that is not an advantage then i don't know what is. (Don't forget that "silver = gear" in this game)

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So if you don't have pets you can't loot it yourself?And you know that 3 pets won't loot the same mob 3 times,so idk how will you make 3x the amount of silver.
 

P.S t.3 loot every 4~6s.

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Edited by Fr3zZy

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R U CRYING? u have no money to buy a few pets? just buy 3 pets. 27$ forget breeding to higher tier.

It is a advantage. but it wont stop u from getting the full experience of the game.

Some of you seriously dont have a fking clue wat p2w is.

Hahaha, i am going to buy all the items i'm just not going full fanboy mode trying to deny that you actually need to drop some money on the game to be competitive.

 

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When a game doesn't have a level cap and you can potentially BUY yourself 21%xp gains through pets alone,  HOW exactly is this not P2W?  

Normally it's called Pay for Convenience,  but that went out the window without a level cap.  

 

Except the game has a level cap, it's just not a hard cap, and it's 55 for us. As I stated already, you will never go past it before Mediah. 

Can we open parrot hunting season in the forums please? All these people just spouting whatever crap the read in random places over and over again is getting tiring.

Last I checked you have to have the ability to hit your target.Gear means nothing if you cant manage that.
Same thing with the fact that if you just buy a ton of great gear but you dont know your combos, or when to dodge or block.
Gear means nothing in those cases.

Playing a ranger and utilizing the fact that you have an auto lock onto your target?
Great! What happens when you dont know how to use your mobility skills and a warrior walks up to you, grabs you, and proceeds to john cena your boo-tay into the dirt and you die? Does gear save you over the fact that you have no skill?

Probably not.

No. You're going to knock him down, do your fancy combo, he will get up with a whopping 10% damage received, and will proceed to clear the floor clean with your behind. 

Seriously, gear >> anything else, there is no discussion.

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R U CRYING? u have no money to buy a few pets? just buy 3 pets. 27$ forget breeding to higher tier.

It is a advantage. but it wont stop u from getting the full experience of the game.

Some of you seriously dont have a fking clue wat p2w is.

Wait, what?? So, in one sentence you say that paying gives you an advantage, then next say someone else doesn't know what p2w is? p = pay, 2= to, w= win. You described a situation where PAYING HELPS YOU WIN and then say it isn't pay to win. I can't even.

R U CRYING? u have no money to buy a few pets? just buy 3 pets. 27$ forget breeding to higher tier.

It is a advantage. but it wont stop u from getting the full experience of the game.

Some of you seriously dont have a fking clue wat p2w is.

Wait, what?? So, in one sentence you say that paying gives you an advantage, then next say someone else doesn't know what p2w is? p = pay, 2= to, w= win. You described a situation where PAYING HELPS YOU WIN and then say it isn't pay to win. I can't even.

R U CRYING? u have no money to buy a few pets? just buy 3 pets. 27$ forget breeding to higher tier.

It is a advantage. but it wont stop u from getting the full experience of the game.

Some of you seriously dont have a fking clue wat p2w is.

Wait, what?? So, in one sentence you say that paying gives you an advantage, then next say someone else doesn't know what p2w is? p = pay, 2= to, w= win. You described a situation where PAYING HELPS YOU WIN and then say it isn't pay to win. I can't even.

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So if you don't have pets you can't loot it yourself?

 

My point exactly . It would be p2w if you cant loot yourself. and the only option is to buy pets. THATS p2w

amen mate

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So if you don't have pets you can't loot it yourself?And you know that 3 pets won't loot the same mob 3 times,so idk how will you make 3x the amount of silver.
 

P.S t.3 loot every 4~6s.

Aight, so you farm catfish for an hour without pets and i'll do it with pets, lets compare the money we both make :P 

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So if you don't have pets you can't loot it yourself?And you know that 3 pets won't loot the same mob 3 times,so idk how will you make 3x the amount of silver.
But
 

P.S t.3 loot every 4~6s.

I think what he means is the time spent looting. Seems like an arbitrary number, but it's a fact that pets do speed up grinding by quite a lot (you don't have to look for loot, move to it, loot one by one, run farther away for those who died apart from the bigger blob).

I believe T1 pets on level 10 can loot every 4-6 seconds. Tier 3 on level 10 loots about every 2-3 seconds. 

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Wait, what?? So, in one sentence you say that paying gives you an advantage, then next say someone else doesn't know what p2w is? p = pay, 2= to, w= win. You described a situation where PAYING HELPS YOU WIN and then say it isn't pay to win. I can't even.

GUY with pet : Can loot. Loot faster.

GUY with no pet : Can loot. Loot Slower.

= Pay for Convenience. 

I am too tired for this. If you dont like it, no ones forcing u to play the game.

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How can you not understand that having 3 tier 3 pets makes a world of difference? you can literally make triple the amount of silver an hour compared to someone who doesn't have those pets, if that is not an advantage then i don't know what is. (Don't forget that "silver = gear" in this game)

Either troll or full-on retard.

Edited by Katsuragi
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Aight, so you farm catfish for an hour without pets and i'll do it with pets, lets compare the money we both make :P 

That's just saving time that's not p2w :P 

My point exactly . It would be p2w if you cant loot yourself. and the only option is to buy pets. THATS p2w

amen mate

+1 brother

I believe T1 pets on level 10 can loot every 4-6 seconds. Tier 3 on level 10 loots about every 2-3 seconds. 

T1s are 10s T2s 8s T3s not sure 4~6 T4s 2s :D

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Either troll or full-on retard.

how about you play past lvl 20 before you drop your wisdom :P

Edited by Endregon
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how about you play past lvl 20 before you drop your wisdom :P

I did. Probably more so than you since I was playing RU. But I won't just go full retard and judge your experience out of thin air. I'll just ignore you.

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Daum should really listen to these guys. I think they say what a lot of us are thinkning and feeling.

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I did. Probably more so than you since I was playing RU. But I won't just go full retard and judge your experience out of thin air. I'll just ignore you.

Well i judge your experience on your knowledge, either you played very little or you didn't know what you where doing

That's just saving time that's not p2w :P 

Making more money in less time ---> getting better gear faster ---> win

Hence pay 2 win

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Sooo repetitive...

Sooo repetitive...

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