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[POLL] Your favorite single aspect of PvP

Type   411 votes

  1. 1. Type

    • Ranked 1v1 Arenas
      24
    • Friendly 1v1 Duels
      22
    • Open World Griefing/Ganking (Free for all)
      135
    • Open World Flag System (Both parties must be flagged)
      44
    • Competitive Instanced Team PvP (5v5 / 8v8 / 10v10 / ETC)
      27
    • Open World Siege/Raid Style w/ Unlimited Participation (Zerg/Etc)
      96
    • Balanced Limited Siege/Raid Style w/ Both Sides Having Equal Numbers
      63

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I like team based strategy PVP like AV & AB in WOW or civil war or voidstar in SWTOR, I like this type of PVP. What I don't like to do or see is ganking low level players esp if they are new to the game. Even though this isn't in this game, it has ruined some of the other games like RF-online where a new player is announced and killed when they spawn in a low level zone.

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I understand your frustration.It's noted.

Simply because you don't enjoy something, doesn't mean that others aren't entitled to.
"who the fuk r u sir."

Thanks.

Ah yes but why is it when you don't enjoy something (heavy consequence for killing High Karma players when there are plenty of other options) you feel you are entitled to it? 

See this works both ways. 

I haven't said PvP shouldn't happen. 

What I have said over and over... is that current proposed system 

means you can PvP anyone any time if you don't care about the consequences. 


Those Consequences however don't exist if both players are flagged. (ie both want to engage in PvP) 
Those Consequences don't exist if both players have negative Karma. 

As such the PvP community can attack each other as much as they want too without any negative consequences all they have to do is flag or have negative Karma. 

That isn't what you want though. 

You want to force something you enjoy on people who don't enjoy it. Rather than only doing it (primarily) against other people who do enjoy it. You are claiming you don't enjoy it when you can't randomly attack people and other people aren't entitled to not be randomly attacked by you because your Enjoyment is in your mind more important than theirs. 

Problem with that... you make up a tiny minority in the game, however the negative effect you have can have a major financial impact on the developers with a greater number of players leaving or passing on the game than the small minority. As such the developers will protect their income and that means if people like you abuse those that don't want to PvP, and put your enjoyment over others in a way that actually creates frustration and removes the enjoyment from others, then your enjoyment being the minority will no longer be included. The Full Korean system could be implemented or worse. 

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“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

“The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good, and how he treats people who can't fight back.” ~ Abigail Van Buren

Griefers running in groups to slaughter players who never stand a chance, this applies to you. Don't complain when you're judged as a pathetic human being, you've already demonstrated yourself to be one.

* Please note: I used 'griefer' deliberately. Personally I make a distinction, I see a gank as a random kill cause I wasn't paying attention (Would have been a fair fight if I had seen it coming, hence not griefing), I lol'd and kept going (More often than not the ganker ignores me the next time I see him/her, or it turns into a bunch of 1v1s).

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Ah yes but why is it when you don't enjoy something (heavy consequence for killing High Karma players when there are plenty of other options) you feel you are entitled to it? 
See this works both ways. 

I haven't said PvP shouldn't happen. 

What I have said over and over... is that current proposed system 

means you can PvP anyone any time if you don't care about the consequences. 


Those Consequences however don't exist if both players are flagged. (ie both want to engage in PvP) 
Those Consequences don't exist if both players have negative Karma. 

As such the PvP community can attack each other as much as they want too without any negative consequences all they have to do is flag or have negative Karma. 

That isn't what you want though. 

You want to force something you enjoy on people who don't enjoy it. Rather than only doing it (primarily) against other people who do enjoy it. You are claiming you don't enjoy it when you can't randomly attack people and other people aren't entitled to not be randomly attacked by you because your Enjoyment is in your mind more important than theirs. 

Problem with that... you make up a tiny minority in the game, however the negative effect you have can have a major financial impact on the developers with a greater number of players leaving or passing on the game than the small minority. As such they developers will protect their income and that means if people like you abuse those, and put your enjoyment over others in a way that actually creates frustration and removes the enjoyment from others, then your enjoyment being the minority will no longer be included. The Full Korean system could be implemented.  

?
I'm entitled to enjoy whatever I want to enjoy.
If you don't like getting your butt kicked, get better at not getting your butt kicked or make friends like me, whom protect their friends that don't complain but understand that we each individually have different interests.

I want a free range is what I want to see.
If you decide to do something, there MAY BE conciquences. If I decide to, their may be as well(knowing me there will be).

But both may yield profit.

What's with all the seemingly lazy people unwilling to change their way of life to adapt.

This being said, me saying that isn't fair.

I'm War.
I don't change.

I adapt.

Many people aren't aware they can do that I suppose.

You want to run around with 100k on your back?
Iight bruh.

Expect some peoples to run up on you and try to take it.

"Such as the dangers of traveling alone".

Damn I love the players that try to transport tons of goods in Elite Dangerous without an escort, then cry on the forums about PKers in the live server.
Give me a break.
Get over yourself.

I press enter too much.

But yes.

PvP anyone, anytime, if you are okay with the consequences.

I agree.

Freedom to make a choice.

Yessssssssssssssss.

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

“The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good, and how he treats people who can't fight back.” ~ Abigail Van Buren

Griefers running in groups to slaughter players who never stand a chance, this applies to you. Don't complain when you're judged as a pathetic human being, you've already demonstrated yourself to be one.

* Please note: I used 'griefer' deliberately. Personally I make a distinction, I see a gank as a random kill cause I wasn't paying attention (Would have been a fair fight if I had seen it coming, hence not griefing), I lol'd and kept going (More often than not the ganker ignores me the next time I see him/her, or it turns into a bunch of 1v1s).

Ones character is subjective to the person judging them in the first place.
All people can fight back. It's a choice. People simply have different methods of retaliation, but all can make the choice.
To at least try ;)

You do not know, for what reason I do what I do.
You can only assume.
You surely will not understand if you find the lifestyle unfathomable
If you've not experienced it because of this, how can you define one such as a "Pathetic Human Being"?

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So you feel that the only way to make yourself feel good is by hurting others.. 

Congrats you are a psychopath and you run around with other psychopaths attacking people who are alone for lolz. 

That isn't PvP. If you are going to play that way.. the Karma system is going to get really bad. You and people like you are going to ruin it for the rest of us.. just like the people like you that did the same thing in Korea. 

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So you feel that the only way to make yourself feel good is by hurting others.. 

Congrats you are a psychopath and you run around with other psychopaths attacking people who are alone for lolz. 

That isn't PvP. If you are going to play that way.. the Karma system is going to get really bad. You and people like you are going to ruin it for the rest of us.. just like the people like you that did the same thing in Korea. 

lel...

Alright my emotional child.
That being said. I am War.
I have a method to all my madness.
Every kill holds meaning, and even if it didn't. That's my choice, and yours to attempt to deter.
Odin forbid you actually have to work extra for your right to carry your 100k silver on your back eh?

 

Y'all can think and say I am whatever you want to think and say I am.
But Ima keep doing what ima keep doing Ima do.

And until I get that slight change of heart to not do what ima do, ima keep doing what ima keep doing.

The freedom to make that choice is what I am standing beside.
Not lock it away because others are too lazy to adapt to it.

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I love dueling and 1v1s, 3v3s but my favorite would be the epicness of large scale PVP. I came from TESO and RoM which both had some massive guild vs guilds with well known raid leaders and different tactics and chaos. It's just a lot of crazy fun. 

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One thing open world pvp brings is contested world boss fights.  I think that's something most of us strived for over our years gaming.

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Iske rauta, synny rauta
Muutu kuumassa tulessa
Vanno rauta, tapporauta
l koskaan omia iske
Vanno rauta, tapporauta
l koskaan omia iske

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lel...

Alright my emotional child.
That being said. I am War.
I have a method to all my madness.
Every kill holds meaning, and even if it didn't. That's my choice, and yours to attempt to deter.
Odin forbid you actually have to work extra for your right to carry your 100k silver on your back eh?

 

Y'all can think and say I am whatever you want to think and say I am.
But Ima keep doing what ima keep doing Ima do.

And until I get that slight change of heart to not do what ima do, ima keep doing what ima keep doing.

The freedom to make that choice is what I am standing beside.
Not lock it away because others are too lazy to adapt to it.

Well dude adapt to life.. because I'm in the majority.. and your entitlement is pathetic. You little "I'm a special snowflake" kids are so sad.. and dude you aren't War. Far from it. Just ask your mom to make you a hot pocket and raise your allowance so you can get the lastest copy of CS or CoD

Simply because you don't enjoy something, doesn't mean that others aren't entitled to. 
 

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Well dude adapt to life.. because I'm in the majority.. and your entitlement is pathetic. You little "I'm a special snowflake" kids are so sad.. and dude you aren't War. Far from it. 

Simply because you don't enjoy something, doesn't mean that others aren't entitled to. 
 

Never said they were.
What I said was:
What you don't want to deal with does not supersede what others enjoy.

Go read again.

Cool. You're in the majority. Majority Rules do not define much outside of Majority Rules.
Dude wants to kill off freedom of choice with the potential for repercussion because he wants to carry his tradepack around unscathed and calls me a special snowflake.

iight cuz.

 

lol. Editing your post to add more personal attacks won't phase me man.
I look past that shit and towards your point.

stop using fallacy bro. Be real with yourself and your points.
Or as you say...
Adapt to life.

All that belittlement don't mean anything because you don't know a thing about me.
Hell, you don't even know if I'm the type of person you don't like.
You just assume that because I'm standing for a point you clearly can't see, I'm what you don't like.

Read a book, cuz.

PS. The food my ma makes is the best.
You'd cry actual tears if you ate it.
So yeah, ima keep eating that shit. Thanks for the advice.

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Actually what I said was a direct quote of you which just goes to show you are a hypocrite and a troll 

I'm done with your trolling and uselessness. 

Do what man, I'm just going to be sad when grieving trolls like you ruin PvP for the rest of us. You have freedom of choice.. so do the developers. They however have final say.. so you can be a total jerk and do your best to ruin OWPvP for everyone... or you can adapt and play the game in a way that will allow everyone to enjoy themselves. I know that concept isn't one you can understand.. so have fun until you are banned or they Nerf OWPvP to the point it doesn't happen. 

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Ones character is subjective to the person judging them in the first place.
All people can fight back. It's a choice. People simply have different methods of retaliation, but all can make the choice.
To at least try ;)

You do not know, for what reason I do what I do.
You can only assume.
You surely will not understand if you find the lifestyle unfathomable
If you've not experienced it because of this, how can you define one such as a "Pathetic Human Being"?

Not so much, no. Your character is judged based on what you do, your motivations for doing it are irrelevant. I don't need to know why you're doing it, you should have the maturity to recognise what effect your actions have on others.

I'm not saying don't participate in OWPvP, it's going to happen, and absolutely needs to happen (It's awesome), but 3v1 isn't OWPvP, or are you saying that a person getting griefed 3v1 somehow stands a chance? And it's rarely as little as 3v1 anyway, it's usually raid-sized max-level groups griefing lowbies for entire evenings, only to run away if an equal or larger max-level group shows up to retaliate.

Again, please do understand my distinction between grief/gank, it's very important. I know quite often groups will gank a player (One unprovoked kill) to try and bait a 'call-to-arms' and start a larger OWPvP battle, that doesn't qualify as griefing in my book. But repeated kills with no point other than to make another player miserable/rage-quit/ruin their time? That's griefing, and yes, only pathetic human beings participate in crap like that.

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Actually what I said was a direct quote of you which just goes to show you are a hypocrite and a troll 

I'm done with your trolling and uselessness. 

Do what man, I'm just going to be sad when grieving trolls like you ruin PvP for the rest of us. You have freedom of choice.. so do the developers. They however have final say.. so you can be a total jerk and do your best to ruin OWPvP for everyone... or you can adapt and play the game in a way that will allow everyone to enjoy themselves. I know that concept isn't one you can understand.. so have fun until you are banned or they Nerf OWPvP to the point it doesn't happen. 

I have no idea what you're on about.
And if you want to be done with my argumentative supremacy, that's fine.

You're right. They have the final say.
You also have the ability to make some friends an an MMO and ask them to chill close by while you do your thang.
But y'know. Too hard for you. Too much work and you "shouldn't have to".
Pretty sure that's why people that drive secure money transport trucks ride with 2 or more lives and guns.
But I need to adapt to life. RIght?

Also, again, you know nothing about me, friend. Stop assuming what I do and don't do.
Thanks.

Not so much, no. Your character is judged based on what you do, your motivations for doing it are irrelevant. I don't need to know why you're doing it, you should have the maturity to recognise what effect your actions have on others.

I'm not saying don't participate in OWPvP, it's going to happen, and absolutely needs to happen (It's awesome), but 3v1 isn't OWPvP, or are you saying that a person getting griefed 3v1 somehow stands a chance? And it's rarely as little as 3v1 anyway, it's usually raid-sized max-level groups griefing lowbies for entire evenings, only to run away if an equal or larger max-level group shows up to retaliate.

Again, please do understand my distinction between grief/gank, it's very important. I know quite often groups will gank a player (One unprovoked kill) to try and bait a 'call-to-arms' and start a larger OWPvP battle, that doesn't qualify as griefing in my book. But repeated kills with no point other than to make another player miserable/rage-quit/ruin their time? That's griefing, and yes, only pathetic human beings participate in crap like that.

Er... Character and how others view and react to it is subjective to them.
Thanks.

3v1 in the open world againast another player(s) is Player vs Player.

Maybe not what you want to happen, but it's player(s)(in this case) versus player.
Thanks.

PS. Griefing is a form of Player vs Player, assuming what you're griefing is a player(which I suppose, it'd have to be eh? LOL).

Not sure what you people are misunderstanding about the terms Player Versus Player. But y'all need to read some books.

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I understand your frustration.It's noted.

Simply because someone is doing something you're not doesn't give you the justification to define them as something other than what they are(and are engaged in).
Append things? Sure.

But attempting to redefine a baseline term is a big part of what causes major confusion in the gaming community right now.
Because people are too lazy / not creative enough / whatever to define their own terms.

That and there is a bit of fallacy empowerment from defining something that should hold weight for other reasons as your own custom flavor.
I understand that much.

Doesn't mean that I have to sit with it.
 

You just did it yourself. "The game is not a PvP Deathmatch". Which is what you should have said in the first place as opposed to attempting to use fallacy to enforce the grounds of your argument.

What you personally define shit as? Is it's own shit.

Player Versus(against) Player, is ANY engagement when a Player is AGAINST another PLAYER.

Give your personal feelings towards this a different name and stop the fallacy.

Simply because you don't enjoy something, doesn't mean that others aren't entitled to.
"who the fuk r u sir."

Thanks.

 

I dont think this guy realizes what the word versus means....if one player is not fighting back or is incapable of putting up a fight, then thats not a fight.

Its like mowing your lawn and saying thats Player Vs Grass!

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I dont think this guy realizes what the word versus means....if one player is not fighting back or is incapable of putting up a fight, then thats not a fight.


ver·sus
ˈvərsəs,ˈvərsəz/
preposition

against (especially in sports and legal use).

 

What you're against does not have to be fighting back for you to be against it.

Player >>>>>>>> AGAINST >>>>>>>>>> Player.

PvP is a term of architecture. Other definitions fall under it, not sit on the same level, as they include it.

If you need more help;

 


a·gainst
əˈɡenst/
preposition

1.
in opposition to.

 


op·po·si·tion
ˌäpəˈziSH(ə)n/
noun

resistance or dissent, expressed in action or argument.

 

Where in here does it say that what you're versus, against, opposed to needs to reflect that nature in order to be classified as.

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Er... Character and how others view and react to it is subjective to them.Thanks.

3v1 in the open world againast another player(s) is Player vs Player.

Maybe not what you want to happen, but it's player(s)(in this case) versus player.
Thanks.

PS. Griefing is a form of Player vs Player, assuming what you're griefing is a player(which I suppose, it'd have to be eh? LOL).

Not sure what you people are misunderstanding about the terms Player Versus Player. But y'all need to read some books.

Nope, it's not, you're thinking of 'reputation'...

So now you're using the oversimplified definition of PvP to defend your stance? I mean, really? Is that all you can come up with? 200v1 is fair because it's "PvP by definition"?

Strong case you got there.

Let's follow your example and look at griefing, which is done with the sole purpose of deriving pleasure from harassing/irritating/annoying other players. How's your whole "I doo eet fir mah own reezuns so you carent judge mee" argument holding up? Good?

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I dont know, I guess, killing ppl?

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Its like mowing your lawn and saying thats Player Vs Grass!

Oh you silly goose. We call that PvE.

The act of racing your neighbor to cut your grass first is PvP, in the act of PvE.

Nope, it's not, you're thinking of 'reputation'...

So now you're using the oversimplified definition of PvP to defend your stance? I mean, really? Is that all you can come up with? 200v1 is fair because it's "PvP by definition"?

Strong case you got there.

Let's follow your example and look at griefing, which is done with the sole purpose of deriving pleasure from harassing/irritating/annoying other players. How's your whole "I doo eet fir mah own reezuns so you carent judge mee" argument holding up? Good?

Lol.. This is my point.
It doesn't have to be fair for it to be pvp.

Where in the words Player or Versus do you see any regard to the construct of the concept of "Fair".

Thanks. Have a nice night.

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Lol.. This is my point.
It doesn't have to be fair for it to be pvp.

Where in the words Player or Versus do you see any regard to the construct of the concept of "Fair".

Thanks. Have a nice night.

I'll just repeat this for your benefit:

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

“The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good, and how he treats people who can't fight back.” ~ Abigail Van Buren

And thank you, have a good one!

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Just note every player is entitled to enjoy the game the way they wish within reason. Just as there is the Pursuit of Happiness so long as it does not impede on another's right, so adapt to the game if you like it or as many forum users like to say "then don't play/find another game" this game isn't for everyone and they won't make changes at the drop of a dime because you ask PA to, they've already said they want to make sure people are safe but also want to give Evil players a means to act out without feeling discouraged.

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I'll just repeat this for your benefit:

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

“The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good, and how he treats people who can't fight back.” ~ Abigail Van Buren

And thank you, have a good one!

qB64Gf9.thumb.jpg.5528bb7074150c078397e5 " ~Bender

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This poll is telling.

It is one option against all the other options.

Griefing/ganking loses by a large margin.

 

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Idc if no one fights back I just wanna kill everyone.

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Idc if no one fights back I just wanna kill everyone.

That's hot. Are you hot? Let's Skype later bae.

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