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Black Desert = Pay2Win?

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Yes in some form of way every game with a cash shop you can buy more than cosmetics is "p2w", actually it's more like pay for a small advantage. Many will deny it, but the fact that you could pay a rather large amount to play for 4 days extra over others is an advantage straight off the bat. Though in saying that their is no real way to "win" an mmo, only way you win against others is in pvp and unless they outright let you buy better gear then it's still just pay for small advantages over others like every mmo with a cash shop.

I miss the days of £8 a month gives you the same level playing field and same access that everyone else got, then publishers realised they could get more out of people with a few costumes than they could an entire year of subs and people were like "wow we saving so much money, so cheap!".

In saying that I have still bought the game and am looking forward to playing it, looks great.

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It's not pay 2 win right up until the moment they allow Cash shop items to be sold on the AH.

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I just saw the cash shop....

so instead of gathering materials to make a boat, you are able to buy a god damn boat for 20€....

And there are pets and aoutfits which grants you some buffs.....for example +7% Exp......yes its not much, but it is an advantage...

Or a "cosmetic" armor costum with +10% Exp......so +17% EXP in total.....

Or instead of breeding and wait 2.5 hours to breed,. you are able to pay and breed instantly for 6€.... wtf`?

its like one of this damn mobile games "you have to wait 12h to finish this building, OR you buy some crystals from the cashshop to build it instantly"

 

Just why... ?

We already paid 30€, 50€ or even 100€ to play the game.....so why are you making sucha a terrible cash shop.... ?

you have just lied to us making the cashshop cosmetic-only......but its NOT !!!!

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WoW (Insert other generic MMO with trading) has more Pay2win than Black Desert because you can trade gold and buy high level items to push you into raiding/pvp quicker. 

 

You can play BDO with no cash shop payments and still be competitive, the pets are very convenient and the weight is a pain but even so its a lot less pay2win than like 80 % of MMOs.

 

 

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You get skill points for leveling, you are harder to hit, you have more life, you have more damage.

Stop talking exp is nothing lol, in a-game that is suppose to be PvP cometitive it's actually big advantage which can only be obtained by paying money. Either rules are the same for everybody or they don't in BDO rules aren't the same for everybody person who pays more get advantage that can only be obtained trough cash shop.

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You get skill points for leveling, you are harder to hit, you have more life, you have more damage.

Stop talking exp is nothing lol, in a-game that is suppose to be PvP cometitive it's actually big advantage which can only be obtained by paying money. Either rules are the same for everybody or they don't in BDO rules aren't the same for everybody person who pays more get advantage that can only be obtained trough cash shop.

But you dont "win" by wearing a costume. You have to grind to actually level up. So you achieve nothing with a costume if you dont grind. People without costumes can grind to. They just have to grind 10% harder.

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use the search function next time before posting a thread that the forums have seen atleast 100 times already :( ... your answers are already in other threads man. 

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And still they complain.

 

And then Daum gives them a 20% discount on pets. And they STILL complain.

 

Like I've said before, these people will complain and whine until they get everything for free. 

I find it strange that no one has picked up on how amazing, and almost revolutionary, BDO's game systems are in terms of stopping gold sellers/bots etc and providing a comprehensive solution for the issue of p2w. It really looks like the future direction of mmo game design. 

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So is GW2 P2W too? Because if I follow your peoples logic if you can buy xp boosters (which you can in GW, lvl 100 boost in WoW) its P2W...lol wut? If you cant play for shit extra xp wont give you much and those extra 5 skill points wont do shit.

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I find it strange that no one has picked up on how amazing, and almost revolutionary, BDO's game systems are in terms of stopping gold sellers/bots etc and providing a comprehensive solution for the issue of p2w. It really looks like the future direction of mmo game design. 

because they are whiny female dogs

I actually fully agree with you.

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You get skill points for leveling, you are harder to hit, you have more life, you have more damage.

Stop talking exp is nothing lol, in a-game that is suppose to be PvP cometitive it's actually big advantage which can only be obtained by paying money. Either rules are the same for everybody or they don't in BDO rules aren't the same for everybody person who pays more get advantage that can only be obtained trough cash shop.

It's not unlimited advanatage BUT STILL a FCKING ADVANTAGE = pay 2 win

Well you can level without paying a cent so your argument is invalid. Thats not how life works no one is equal. Is rich the same as poor? If people play +14h a day you can have a +100% boost and wont even get close to them.

 

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just enjoy the first few months where it isn't full on p2w. Eventually you'll be able to buy a boost to level 50 -100

Its not a matter of the game "isn't full on p2w", BDO probably has the least amount of p2w in any mmo on the market. 

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ban his forum account, and ingame too.

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I just saw the cash shop....

so instead of gathering materials to make a boat, you are able to buy a god damn boat for 20€....

And there are pets and aoutfits which grants you some buffs.....for example +7% Exp......yes its not much, but it is an advantage...

Or a "cosmetic" armor costum with +10% Exp......so +17% EXP in total.....

Or instead of breeding and wait 2.5 hours to breed,. you are able to pay and breed instantly for 6€.... wtf`?

its like one of this damn mobile games "you have to wait 12h to finish this building, OR you buy some crystals from the cashshop to build it instantly"

 

Just why... ?

We already paid 30€, 50€ or even 100€ to play the game.....so why are you making sucha a terrible cash shop.... ?

you have just lied to us making the cashshop cosmetic-only......but its NOT !!!!

 

 

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you guys clearly did not watch or understand the video

 

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You get skill points for leveling, you are harder to hit, you have more life, you have more damage.

Stop talking exp is nothing lol, in a-game that is suppose to be PvP cometitive it's actually big advantage which can only be obtained by paying money. Either rules are the same for everybody or they don't in BDO rules aren't the same for everybody person who pays more get advantage that can only be obtained trough cash shop.

It's not unlimited advanatage BUT STILL a FCKING ADVANTAGE = pay 2 win

eh no u dont u haven't even played it yet i bet. 

 

you dont get more dmg, you do not get skill points and u do only get a small health extra 1-3 Hp at max and the time to lvl beyound 50 is insane and slow.

 

exp is useless as u level fast enough without it.

 

how is that a advantage? your not paying for anything but useless Xp. 

 

i am lvl 50 and i have not gotten one skill points from leveling up but i do get for killing monsters WHich is NOT a level up.

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you guys clearly did not watch or understand the video

 

It has only been posted like 20-30 times here, so of course not... WhoTF cares about some whiney ass baby who cries about the smallest things ????

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black desert is already known for the biggest mmo in a long time and with no p2w elements its just even better.

 

Xp is not a p2w element.

buying something for real money that translate to power = p2w however this doesnt exist

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no it isnt dont be a tool..... zzzzzz

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eh no u dont u haven't even played it yet i bet. 

 

you dont get more dmg, you do not get skill points and u do only get a small health extra 1-3 Hp at max and the time to lvl beyound 50 is insane and slow.

 

exp is useless as u level fast enough without it.

 

how is that a advantage? your not paying for anything but useless Xp. 

 

i am lvl 50 and i have not gotten one skill points from leveling up but i do get for killing monsters WHich is NOT a level up.

You get more exp and more skill points than person who invest the same amount of time but won't use cash shop.

Even if it's just progreess, it still pay 2 win, since it saves time = you can spend more time building you bankroll of silver and buy the best items before anyone else.

This is the pure definition of advantage.

I guess u the one who like to pay for advantage that's why u defend it lol.

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You get more exp and more skill points than person who invest the same amount of time but won't use cash shop.

This is the pure devinition of advantage.

I guess u the one who like to pay for advantage that's why u defend it lol.

eh no u dont lol..

skill point is based on kills not exp. the more kills u do the more skill points.

 

just learn the difference already loser.

 

exp is never a p2w element regardless of how u look.

 

the fact u are saying this shit means u have not played the game and u have not seen the game and u have not yet seen the cash shop. so just stop trying to pretend like u know something u dont

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If u people think this game is pay2won then please go uninstall , i can't read that bs stuff u guys write lel or i suggestion u to do some research wut mean pay2won for real if the pets for u is p2w then lel pls go die :x ... this game is totally balanced u doesn't pushed to purchase anything from the item mall to be better small thing like pets doesn't make it p2w at all since u can easily farm money yourself by just spamming pick up during farm so yea there is totally nothing which make this game p2w ...

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eh no u dont lol..

skill point is based on kills not exp. the more kills u do the more skill points.

 

just learn the difference already loser.

 

exp is never a p2w element regardless of how u look.

 

the fact u are saying this shit means u have not played the game and u have not seen the game and u have not yet seen the cash shop. so just stop trying to pretend like u know something u dont

Ehh, man just don't be ridicilous please, one person can Get 20% exp+ bonuses from cash shop, this simply mean he will gain more exp than everybody else who don't pay. This is how people will get to top leaderboards in rankings but you still deny it's advantage. You work less hard and get more exp more stuff more levels.

And don't speak about stat advantage you clearly don't know how game mechanics work in BDO, just the simple fact accuracy scales from level means you get advantage in PvP while being on hgiher level character.

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It has only been posted like 20-30 times here, so of course not... WhoTF cares about some whiney ass baby who cries about the smallest things ????

I actually have watched the video a few days ago, and yep people keep posting it

Ehh, man just don't be ridicilous please, one person can Get 20% exp+ bonuses from cash shop, this simply mean he will gain more exp than everybody else who don't pay. This is how people will get to top leaderboards in rankings but you still deny it's advantage. You work less hard and get more exp more stuff more levels.

And don't speak about stat advantage you clearly don't know how game mechanics work in BDO, just the simple fact accuracy scales from level means you get advantage in PvP while being on hgiher level character.

then don't play the game. Are there any MMOs out now without a cash shop? 

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Christ people. There were lvl 45-50 players on DAY ONE... WITHOUT A CASH SHOP IN THE GAME YET. Buy all the xp boosts you -----ing want, it won't matter. It's not pay to win. 

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