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Geetings fellow BDO players!

An important thing that I'm noticing a lot of players not doing is grouping in areas. This is a fairly obvious game mechanic most of you will know and do however I've noticed a tonne of people declining groups and not getting anywhere (Also getting edgy and harassing others for accidently taking kills and the like due to the fast paced natures of group play!) >:(

Grouping will allow:

- Much much faster exp 9_9

- Faster and sometimes better loot £££

- Faster questing which in turn allows a lot of benefits from the rewards, invent space and more.

- Lets not forget social player and making friends :x

I'm usually a very solo player but I have grouped often in this game and it really does matter especially when levelling! I make groups wherever I go if there are players around! Make sure you just group the local players if you are doing same quests and such!

Regards,

Halbard

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Also gankers tend to prefer the easy pickings an unguilded solo player presents, a group of players working together is a less attractive target for them.

 

So join a guild and adventure in groups, it is more fun and more profitable. AND it negates some of the risk of ganking.

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*joins group*

- Oh wait guys gotta swap on alt tend my sunflowers brb

- Hm I have no more space in bags can you wait til I go put all this junk in some bank I still have space in, shouldnt take more than half an hour...

- My dog is hungry I have to go cook him some food. And make 300ish beer and teas when I am already at it.

*picks every flower, stone and cuts trees on the way*

- Hey there is some quest guy over there gimme sec...... oh hes sending me on top of that mountain anyone wants to go with me?

- These mobs are so boring I want to go level my horses and ride around in a wagon :( 

Join groups? I dont think so :P 

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I hope it`s okay to hijack this topic for a grouping related question.
So far I have accepted group requests a few times. Mostly the groups were disbanded quickly and we weren`t actually playing "together", but everyone was fighting their own mobs on different parts of the area. Which kinda felt useless.

What is the  most efficent way for group play? Should we all hit on the same group of mobs? Or is it better when everyone piles up their own mobs and offs them?
Is there a certain courtesy in group play? I noticed that my pets quickly took the loot, and felt bad about it, I guess the best thing might be to put them away in group play, as long ffa loot is enabled?

 

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Xp bonus range is too short and mob respawn time is too long. Much faster to solo in my experience.

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I hope it`s okay to hijack this topic for a grouping related question.
So far I have accepted group requests a few times. Mostly the groups were disbanded quickly and we weren`t actually playing "together", but everyone was fighting their own mobs on different parts of the area. Which kinda felt useless.

What is the  most efficent way for group play? Should we all hit on the same group of mobs? Or is it better when everyone piles up their own mobs and offs them?
Is there a certain courtesy in group play? I noticed that my pets quickly took the loot, and felt bad about it, I guess the best thing might be to put them away in group play, as long ffa loot is enabled?

 

It depends on the area - some areas you want to split up (but close enough to have full XP share - check the wifi symbol next to players in party) sometimes you want to stay close together and just run a train in a circular pattern around the area, making sure you constantly have spawns and kill mobs. Generally the goal is to kill things faster than you could alone, if not its not worth it. With 5 people you lose 50% xp, so you'd have to kill mobs twice as fast for the group to be worthwhile. Some areas are terrible for grouping but are incredibly crowded, such as chimeras, because you won't increase your speed by that much by grouping.

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I would love to group, but as Kat has pointed out, the game encourages to run around and doing your own thing.

There is no quest sharing, which is really annoying cause everyone is on different stages of their quests unless you stuck together from start.

There is also no reason to group as all the content is easy enough that you can simply solo your way through.

Furthermore, with the crafting system that most players get involved with it steals your attention a lot to manage workers, or plan stuff or whatever.

This is why I have been saying, in the dungeon thread, that something is needed to encourage grouping up. Tougher mobs, dungeons, castles whatever... something that encourages players to band up and play together.

The entire game right now = Skyrim. Grab quests all over the place, then proceed to run all over the place, while doing random stuff as you go.

BDO != group friendly game.

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I would love to group, but as Kat has pointed out, the game encourages to run around and doing your own thing.

There is no quest sharing, which is really annoying cause everyone is on different stages of their quests unless you stuck together from start.

There is also no reason to group as all the content is easy enough that you can simply solo your way through.

Furthermore, with the crafting system that most players get involved with it steals your attention a lot to manage workers, or plan stuff or whatever.

This is why I have been saying, in the dungeon thread, that something is needed to encourage grouping up. Tougher mobs, dungeons, castles whatever... something that encourages players to band up and play together.

The entire game right now = Skyrim. Grab quests all over the place, then proceed to run all over the place, while doing random stuff as you go.

BDO != group friendly game.

Doesnt matter if there is quest sharing because you both just pick up the same quest and kill counts and item picks count as one so that is sharing and the better version.

I got 50 by grouping with 4 others and destroying spawns and pushing the solo/duo players out who couldnt compete against my party comp.  I out leveled many who were higher than me in 2 days time. 

Grouping is the better way to go and its more fun to mingle with 4 others because time flies faster than when you do it solo with no one to talk to or w/e.

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Noone is disputing that grouping is better way to go and more efficient.

It is just very impractical in this game.I log on earlier than others and I outlevel or "out quest" them... then have to backtrack everything when the others log on.

Or with random players it's even more erratic, re: Kats reply in this thread which describes it quite well.

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Hmm, I found levelling in a group really helpful and sped my quests and levels up a lot as I couldn't get a kill myself without it being taken, maybe it's just because I'ma  warrior and I kept getting out DPs'd

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*joins group*

- Oh wait guys gotta swap on alt tend my sunflowers brb

- Hm I have no more space in bags can you wait til I go put all this junk in some bank I still have space in, shouldnt take more than half an hour...

- My dog is hungry I have to go cook him some food. And make 300ish beer and teas when I am already at it.

*picks every flower, stone and cuts trees on the way*

- Hey there is some quest guy over there gimme sec...... oh hes sending me on top of that mountain anyone wants to go with me?

- These mobs are so boring I want to go level my horses and ride around in a wagon :( 

Join groups? I dont think so :P 

I Would but Undoubtedly either on one end ^ will happen  I don't mind being in a group but I want to do my thing my own way 

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If you think grouping can stop me, good luck.

I see most groups chasing those same 7 mobs and taking forever to kill them. "More xp" okay, keep telling yourself that, especially when you're using the system wrong. 

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Never found it took ages to kill anything, most things lasted a few seconds, I'm just putting this out from a new players point of view and it helped me a lot, just trying to help others people need to stop putting sour twists on everything...

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Sure lets group, im killing these mobs over here solo while ur over there killing those, o what was that, hmm gz with that ogre or mark of shadows

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*joins group*

- Oh wait guys gotta swap on alt tend my sunflowers brb

- Hm I have no more space in bags can you wait til I go put all this junk in some bank I still have space in, shouldnt take more than half an hour...

- My dog is hungry I have to go cook him some food. And make 300ish beer and teas when I am already at it.

*picks every flower, stone and cuts trees on the way*

- Hey there is some quest guy over there gimme sec...... oh hes sending me on top of that mountain anyone wants to go with me?

- These mobs are so boring I want to go level my horses and ride around in a wagon :( 

Join groups? I dont think so :P 

lol just kick them if they expect u to wait. And if they not making headway in about 10 min or so, tell them you are going to replace them with someone there.

 

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*joins group*

- Oh wait guys gotta swap on alt tend my sunflowers brb

- Hm I have no more space in bags can you wait til I go put all this junk in some bank I still have space in, shouldnt take more than half an hour...

- My dog is hungry I have to go cook him some food. And make 300ish beer and teas when I am already at it.

*picks every flower, stone and cuts trees on the way*

- Hey there is some quest guy over there gimme sec...... oh hes sending me on top of that mountain anyone wants to go with me?

- These mobs are so boring I want to go level my horses and ride around in a wagon :( 

Join groups? I dont think so :P 

groupie nah... I will join but I will leech. mwhahahaha. pretend to fight while leeching. 

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lol just kick them if they expect u to wait. And if they not making headway in about 10 min or so, tell them you are going to replace them with someone there.

The problem is, I am not any better. There are so many things to do in game I can never stick to one for long.

Yesterday I loaded my wagon and my bag with all the lvl 10 and up delivery quests items I had in my quest log for ages and went around determined to do them all. Then on the way I found another quest with nice reward so I thought meh its just a little distraction I will do that in no time. Then I found another, then another, then one of them sent me to gather something and I found a meadow full of wild herbs and got lost in gathering them, then I saw a gray ? for NPC I havent discovered yet and went to talk to him and bingo got another quest..... Then I saw my farm is up for harvesting and relogged alt to do that but her bag was full so I went to marketplace to sell some seed and when I was already there browsed a bit found nice necklace but my storage was full and I relogged another alt to swap some things around. Then I saw that alt had energy bar filled up and went to melt some copper and tin not to waste it...... Then I saw I got some CP I was looking for to start a fleece production and went to invest the node....

In the end I am still only at the second delivery quest on my first character even though I traveled all over the map and spent the entire day :P 

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*joins group*

- Oh wait guys gotta swap on alt tend my sunflowers brb

- Hm I have no more space in bags can you wait til I go put all this junk in some bank I still have space in, shouldnt take more than half an hour...

- My dog is hungry I have to go cook him some food. And make 300ish beer and teas when I am already at it.

*picks every flower, stone and cuts trees on the way*

- Hey there is some quest guy over there gimme sec...... oh hes sending me on top of that mountain anyone wants to go with me?

- These mobs are so boring I want to go level my horses and ride around in a wagon :( 

Join groups? I dont think so :P 

Lol

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In my wildly inept opinion at a week old, I have decided that grouping is for leveling alts with guild mates and/or grind groups.

Leveling your first character, different story - Kat explained it pretty well previously in the thread. It's typically an annoying cycle of chaos and wait, or wait and then chaos, and inevitably people just get annoyed and it's completely immersion breaking most of the time, in my experience.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's probably a great idea to group up to knock out a few quests together if everyone is ready. Or kill a boss. Or grind a patch of mobs or do something you don't have to wait on anyone for. But most of the time, no thank you. I find solo to be much more enjoyable on the first character, at least until mid levels.

It's simple really - on their first character everyone has so much to read, learn and do that besides story, there's very little to keep you on the same quests at the same time as your friends UNLESS you all log in and do exactly the same thing and log out at the same time everyday. :P That's why I have the opinion that at least low level first characters should do most stuff alone.  YMMV!

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Geetings fellow BDO players!

An important thing that I'm noticing a lot of players not doing is grouping in areas. This is a fairly obvious game mechanic most of you will know and do however I've noticed a tonne of people declining groups and not getting anywhere (Also getting edgy and harassing others for accidently taking kills and the like due to the fast paced natures of group play!) >:(

Grouping will allow:

- Much much faster exp 9_9

- Faster and sometimes better loot £££

- Faster questing which in turn allows a lot of benefits from the rewards, invent space and more.

- Lets not forget social player and making friends :x

I'm usually a very solo player but I have grouped often in this game and it really does matter especially when levelling! I make groups wherever I go if there are players around! Make sure you just group the local players if you are doing same quests and such!

Regards,

Halbard

If you can prove the better loot id like to see a parse of 10000 mobs. One in Parties and the other not in parties. Until then this post is useless as I can kill faster and not need to worry about your position and if the loot is set to a fair setting. That's my thought. Also, in solo play you will kill more mobs and essentially get more loot. Now if you all had luck +5 I might try it but until then enjoy.

 

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If you can prove the better loot id like to see a parse of 10000 mobs. One in Parties and the other not in parties. Until then this post is useless as I can kill faster and not need to worry about your position and if the loot is set to a fair setting. That's my thought. Also, in solo play you will kill more mobs and essentially get more loot. Now if you all had luck +5 I might try it but until then enjoy.

 

Your reply seems more like an attack than a helpful suggestion and you come across very selfish, not sure if this is the case apologies if not. I may be wrong about the loot. As a warrior until level 37 killing anything was a pain and took an eternity, could rarely get the kill on any of my quest mobs as all other class had much higher dps and would just steal the kill. Also this really comes down to whether you prefer to play alone of group, I personally prefer to socialise and group up.

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Your reply seems more like an attack than a helpful suggestion and you come across very selfish, not sure if this is the case apologies if not. I may be wrong about the loot. As a warrior until level 37 killing anything was a pain and took an eternity, could rarely get the kill on any of my quest mobs as all other class had much higher dps and would just steal the kill. Also this really comes down to whether you prefer to play alone of group, I personally prefer to socialise and group up.

He likes solo efficiency yet you require a team of other players to carry you through killing mobs, and he's selfish? 

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Your reply seems more like an attack than a helpful suggestion and you come across very selfish, not sure if this is the case apologies if not. I may be wrong about the loot. As a warrior until level 37 killing anything was a pain and took an eternity, could rarely get the kill on any of my quest mobs as all other class had much higher dps and would just steal the kill. Also this really comes down to whether you prefer to play alone of group, I personally prefer to socialise and group up.

I tossed you a like for sharing your opinion. I am not attacking by any means or trying to be selfish. This is the way I played in D3 and the way loot drops work are similar. AS it is now there are several loot options for parties and many are being manipulated into what they think is good loot practices while they cant even afford to buy beer. I understand some of you would like groups maybe your character can tank 20 mobs and needs some one to wipe them I get it. That's what guilds are for IMO. I'm sorry to here that you are having a hard time killing mobs. I would ask are you upgrading your weapons to at least +5 because I mainly craft and I can destroy purples literally in solo play. Food buffs and knowledge of combos does some serious damage but I'm sure not all classes share the same mechanics but from what I have seen they do seem somewhat balanced unless you talk about Wizard in starting areas.

When min and maxing which not all players will do you do what is most effective all the time. That is why the question of what Weapon is best is laughable because we have Demi-Beasts, Humans, and Beasts. Its important to note you can craft and buy these items and enhance them through gems. You don't fight humans with a +10 beast damage weapon if you get my drift that stat is wasted in that case. I understand about the Kill stealing and avoiding the guides and finding the appropriate monsters may net you more kills per hour which directly = more drops.

I'm sorry if I came off as an ass but this is how min/max is tested. Large parses of info have to be tested because averages only work out on large number samples. You can see this in many Grinding games such as D3  and others. This is how I prefer to play because it maximize my gold/items per hour and  essentially that is what I'm after when killing mobs.

Once again I apologize if I came of snide, rude, or obnoxious, it is rather to prove a point that without info it is more of a rumor and adds little value to the way things actually work.

 

I decided to add one more thing here. To communicate falsely on these forums and mislead other is more selfish than actually spreading bad and false information. I am providing ways you can verify your gold per hour by easy tasks such as stop watches at 1 hour empty inventories. Vendor everything at the end of that hour and seeing what you come up with. Repeat again to complete a halfway accurate parse per hour of that area is now completed.

THESE MUST BE CONTROLLED so an example is a hour at Naga Camp A or B. and things influence the rates per hours such as number of campers, how many mobs you should kill but are already dead(to many campers). The best test is if you can find a solo area with NO players around and grind it for an hour twice. Each time selling everything to vendors and if and when you do get those higher items that are desired and sell instantly those go to market regardless. These count towards that money - the taxes which can be hefty. I personally like to vendor nearly everything as it creates money in the game instead of taking a large portion out and donating to the guild that is gonna kill you one day or another. There are many ideas on this subject and you are entitled to yours. As a crafter I do not have the luxury of choosing what items I should trade in because the time it take I can make more farming so I drop a lot of them. This is my choice and it is very balanced way to do things IMHO!

But why you say. Good question. It's because I need to do things fast and efficient. I will only play so much as all of us will. Efficiency is key and filling my inventory and not being able to loot that black stone because I have 10-20 mobs bashing my brains in and I cant drop one item to loot that black-stone is frustrating and it is happening to me with a lot of good items(as such this is balance because it promotes me to kill smaller packs if I want or care about the items). This happens frequently but it makes this life like and more realistic I like it.

 I can pull less mobs but why, its really the exp I need and Black-stones seem fairly common. Crafting is keeping me fed and I am more than content grinding when its grinding time.

 

I hope this sheds some light to why I said what I did and if it is not making much sense to you. I suggest looking into the topic more. We don't farm mobs that take 5-10 minutes to kill when we can kill 50-100 in that same time because of the way loot tables work. That's as far in as I'm going for now but I really do hope this advice help you.

 

The same goes for crafting.. I wont be cooking beer until I reach guru for the same reason. or I wont be making bronze ingots to cap. It's not effiecient and it wastes my time. This has to make sense if you want to reach the end-game upper tier of things

Thanks,

Ryan

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