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Karma System needs a rework.

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It really does.

 

Its completely horrible atm , i've not been above 100k karma for 4 days now. The penalty is way too high compared to how much you can actually gain. I only Pk-ed people that came into my spot killing 2-3 mobs messing my whole pull. If i kill a guy i need 20-30 mins to get karma back by killing mobs. But of course that wont happen because 3-5 mins later another one comes with his friend walking around killing 3 mobs as 2 people after like 30 seconds.

We need PK to secure spots , it hurts me way too much to see some random walk in hitting 1 mob from my spot , moving ahead killing 2-3 mobs in the next one i mean come the ----- on dude.

Daum has a few different ways to solve this problem:

1. increase channels (worst one)

2. reduce PK penalty (mid worst)

3. increase Karma rate from mobs (the best , it rewards people that grind and try to protect their spots while having the same penalty for people that just wanna PK)

 

P.S: Im only putting this rant out because in 24h of grind i didnt drop any Mark of Shadow while in two occasions some random that was killing 1 wizzard from my 15 mob pack got a ring right infront of my eyes.

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oh sorry, i dint know you had written down your name on those mobs

 

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Have you tried telling them to leave? You make it sound like you kill them on the spot.

That could be your problem.

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Have you tried telling them to leave? You make it sound like you kill them on the spot.

That could be your problem.

I always ask them nicely to leave but my charname is Arrogance so most people just think im beeing a -----.

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Increased karma rate from mobs sounds ok. 

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I see plenty of people PK for spots. The only issue is that it is a 20 second walk back for those that died. You make the karma penalty as light as you think it needs to be, then it will be useless for what it is meant to do.

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I always ask them nicely to leave but my charname is Arrogance so most people just think im beeing a -----.

instead of 20+ mobs why not less? people will be people and mobs are there for everyone tagging them doesnt mean you own them

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OP lacks social skills. Ask them to group and level faster.

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OP might need to learn that game isnt supposed to be a online fps where you kill ppl in sight ?

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I've been grinding at various places, PKing everyone I see.

You have two options:

1) Party and suck it up

2) PK and get -karma.

I usually pick #2 and I've been around -300k to -500k for the majority of the last few days. If they form a party, I kill them, or occasionally run away if they're too strong/too many.

As an avid PVP/PKer I have no issues with this system.

Blah blah punishment too harsh : Don't die

Blah blah no rewards: There shouldn't be rewards for PKing.

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Change game mechanics rather than the way I play?

I thought this was a PvE player argument.

Sarcasm.

If the karma penalty is too high for killing people that are 'spoiling your pulls'... then... try joining the dots in another way.

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No it doesn't need a rework and as I have mentioned in other posts similar to yours ......that isn't your spot.

It is an mmo and not a single player game so there is no spot that you own as no-one owns it.  So either group up, put up with it or move elsewhere. If you decide to PK them then that is on you, so put on your big boy pants and live with the appropriate punishment that was given. 

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I always ask them nicely to leave but my charname is Arrogance so most people just think im beeing a -----.

Because you are being an ass - if you are not capable of sharing mobs and have to PK you suffer the consequences for it - tough shit go cry me a river.

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Because you are being an ass - if you are not capable of sharing mobs and have to PK you suffer the consequences for it - tough shit go cry me a river.

damn that's some bad social skills friend, and on the topic of sharing mob pulls, if I spend my time grouping the Mobs together why should someone else get to take the loot from it.

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So basically you want the game to change to make it easier on you. What kind of PK are you?

When you can't stand the heat, don't do any kitchen work ;-)

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I dont want the game to be easier , all im asking is for a more balanced system.

 

I have no interest in grouping up , im killing them fast enough to clear a whole pack of 10-15 mobs in under 15 seconds. Why should i split my chances of getting loot by grouping up with every guy that shows up on the spot i've been grinding for hours and asks for a party?

 

Im not complaining about the penalty , im complaining about the time needed to get karma back from killing 1 guy. I honestly see no point into having to grind mobs for 30 mins just to afford to PK once

 

Im not a PKer im just a guy that wants to grind without every -----ing pleb coming into my spot every 5 mins. If a guy comes in and he reks my shit im fine with that , thats the food chain.

 

FYI : I dont complain about KSers , if they can KS me it means that they can probably kill me too , again its the food chain. The game's RNG is simply too strong to afford to be nice.

If you think its funny or normal for you to grind in a spot efficiently for days without getting anything , having to put up with people who kill 1-2 mobs out of a full room and drop rare stuff while they go "grouppe?" in all chat , ----- YOU.

 

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I dont want the game to be easier , all im asking is for a more balanced system.

 

I have no interest in grouping up , im killing them fast enough to clear a whole pack of 10-15 mobs in under 15 seconds. Why should i split my chances of getting loot by grouping up with every guy that shows up on the spot i've been grinding for hours and asks for a party?

 

Im not complaining about the penalty , im complaining about the time needed to get karma back from killing 1 guy. I honestly see no point into having to grind mobs for 30 mins just to afford to PK once

 

Im not a PKer im just a guy that wants to grind without every -----ing pleb coming into my spot every 5 mins. If a guy comes in and he reks my shit im fine with that , thats the food chain.

 

FYI : I dont complain about KSers , if they can KS me it means that they can probably kill me too , again its the food chain. The game's RNG is simply too strong to afford to be nice.

If you think its funny or normal for you to grind in a spot efficiently for days without getting anything , having to put up with people who kill 1-2 mobs out of a full room and drop rare stuff while they go "grouppe?" in all chat , ----- YOU.

 

Time needed to get karma back from killing is part of the penalty. This is a social multiplayer game. If you cannot stand people coming into a grind spot you are at, you should probably play a different game because that is never ever going to change.

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You are heavily penalised for PKing, this is intentional and the entire purpose for the karma system. if you don't want to have to deal with the penalties, then either party up with people in grind spots or don't PK them. Your behaviour and attitude needs a rework, not the karma system.

 

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, as they say.

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It really does.

 

Its completely horrible atm , i've not been above 100k karma for 4 days now. The penalty is way too high compared to how much you can actually gain. I only Pk-ed people that came into my spot killing 2-3 mobs messing my whole pull. If i kill a guy i need 20-30 mins to get karma back by killing mobs. But of course that wont happen because 3-5 mins later another one comes with his friend walking around killing 3 mobs as 2 people after like 30 seconds.

Research MMORPG

I dont want the game to be easier , all im asking is for a more balanced system.

 

I have no interest in grouping up , im killing them fast enough to clear a whole pack of 10-15 mobs in under 15 seconds. Why should i split my chances of getting loot by grouping up with every guy that shows up on the spot i've been grinding for hours and asks for a party?

 

Im not complaining about the penalty , im complaining about the time needed to get karma back from killing 1 guy. I honestly see no point into having to grind mobs for 30 mins just to afford to PK once

 

Im not a PKer im just a guy that wants to grind without every -----ing pleb coming into my spot every 5 mins. If a guy comes in and he reks my shit im fine with that , thats the food chain.

 

FYI : I dont complain about KSers , if they can KS me it means that they can probably kill me too , again its the food chain. The game's RNG is simply too strong to afford to be nice.

If you think its funny or normal for you to grind in a spot efficiently for days without getting anything , having to put up with people who kill 1-2 mobs out of a full room and drop rare stuff while they go "grouppe?" in all chat , ----- YOU.

 

Can you share your grinding spot, server, channel?

I'm just going to watch.

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I dont want the game to be easier , all im asking is for a more balanced system.

 

I have no interest in grouping up , im killing them fast enough to clear a whole pack of 10-15 mobs in under 15 seconds. Why should i split my chances of getting loot by grouping up with every guy that shows up on the spot i've been grinding for hours and asks for a party?

 

Im not complaining about the penalty , im complaining about the time needed to get karma back from killing 1 guy. I honestly see no point into having to grind mobs for 30 mins just to afford to PK once

 

Im not a PKer im just a guy that wants to grind without every -----ing pleb coming into my spot every 5 mins. If a guy comes in and he reks my shit im fine with that , thats the food chain.

 

FYI : I dont complain about KSers , if they can KS me it means that they can probably kill me too , again its the food chain. The game's RNG is simply too strong to afford to be nice.

If you think its funny or normal for you to grind in a spot efficiently for days without getting anything , having to put up with people who kill 1-2 mobs out of a full room and drop rare stuff while they go "grouppe?" in all chat , ----- YOU.

 

Sorry! i cant see your claim you have setup around the spot and took your bright red marker and written down "my spot no entry"

its a mmorpg its not Your spot and if someone goes into a spot it means THEY want to play too

if you want your OWN special place play single player games or something

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Ah another one of these and all the carebears attack it like vultures with one of the 3 replies. They either compared it real life events, tell YOU to go away by switching channels or give you the it's not your mobs you don't own it reply. Clearly these guys have never played a open world mmo and are use to instances. OP no matter what you do or say you're in the wrong here on these forums. You can explain to these people why this system is terrible til your blue in the face and they will refuse to listen to you anything you may suggest. 

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have you tried asking them to join your group instead of pk?  then shut up and deal with it

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 Wow this is one of the biggest circle jerks i seen in my life rofl.....

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Ah another one of these and all the carebears attack it like vultures with one of the 3 replies. They either compared it real life events, tell YOU to go away by switching channels or give you the it's not your mobs you don't own it reply. Clearly these guys have never played a open world mmo and are use to instances. OP no matter what you do or say you're in the wrong here on these forums. You can explain to these people why this system is terrible til your blue in the face and they will refuse to listen to you anything you may suggest. 

Played Lineage 2, love Lineage 2. Penalties here are even softer than lineage 2.

You should also read the entire thread because there is a player that is basically perma red saying that the penalties are fine.

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Played Lineage 2, love Lineage 2. Penalties here are even softer than lineage 2.

You should also read the entire thread because there is a player that is basically perma red saying that the penalties are fine.

Penalties are much harsher then Lineage II. Least with L2 if you had a friend nearby you could hand em your gear and kill em kill you til you're white again. Not to mention delvling, going down a gear rank or if your stupid enough losing your skills. The only thing good about this system is getting karma isn't as difficult as lowering your pk score in l2. I cba to read this entire thread cause all it took was 3 glances at the replies to see this wasn't gonna go anywhere lol

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