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Horse Breeding / Findings MegaThread

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Posted (edited)

so x2 T7 lv 30 can't give you T8 female ?

Edited by Eyolis

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Is it me or this calc is completly wrong ?

Out if x2 T7 lv 30 i get max T6 male lol

Yes, its wrong.

 

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Hard to tell whats up with any of the calcs. I know our ratio is higher but I have three T7 mares and not one stallion. Which is... a bit of an issue if I need a T7 Stallion. Balls. ;-;

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Yes, its wrong.

 

After changing stuff arround i finally got it but i'm wondering if our ratio is 10 or 11 since they wrote last patch 'increased chance'

Because else, we can't get T8 female out of 2x T7 lv 30

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Thanks for this... 

As a relatively new breeder I've been trying to figure out how you calculate the Grade.  Basically how I would know what level I need to reach a certain threshold.  I know I can use the breeding calculators to do that, but is there a formula I can use for myself?  I know that a pair of T6s at 22 is 700 because that's what was posted awhile back, but how do the levels translate to numbers? 

I am 1000% sure grade formula for non-death parents is  

GRADE = 130 + 65 x Average_Tier_Parents + region_code/2 * Combined_Level.

with Deaths (1/2% loss per parent) use:  

Horse(Tier, Sex, Level) =(100+Sex*30 + 65 * Tier + region_code * Level) * (1-num_death *0.5)

Region_code = 9, EDIT 9/27/16, I must assume data below needs an upgrade because i think Region_code >= 10, because otherwise a Tier 8 would be impossible..... formula above for grade is correct just use a region code of 10 to allow for Tier 8's 

Grade_with_death = Average (Grade_male, grade_female) =  (Grade_male+Grade_female)/2

I have this in my spread sheet and it all ways matchs the grade. I can calc n Min_breed and max_breed exactly too.

Nd = 1 + int (Grade/50)

Normalized Grade = 50 * Nd

 

 

 

 
MinFawn = 135 + 20 * Nd 

MaxFawn =  if Nd <= 15, then  MaxFawn =135 + 31 * Nd

Nd 16, MaxFawn =600

Nd 17, MaxFawn =600

Nd 18, MaxFawn =630

 

Nd 19, MaxFawn =660

Nd 20, MaxFawn =660

Nd 21, MaxFawn =660

 

 

 
RangeFawn = 11 * Nd = MaxFawn - MinFawn

 

 

But the Percentage i get from Min breed and Max breed are slightly different than the calculator for some reason. (maybe he is using ceiling and floors in strange way ???)

for example if I breed a two tier 1 horses, Lvl 1, no death, I get  Tier 1 Female chance = 14/44 = 31.11%, Tier 2 Male chance 30/44= 68.18% but he gets 33.33% and 66.67

I make a table starting at tier 1 Male min breed = 130, add 30 for a Min Female, add 35 for Max female.

then if i increase it by 65 for tiers it makes my table of Tiers, possible Males and Females as function of MinFawn and MaxFawn.

 

 

  TIER

           Tier

           low

          male

   Tier      high      male

      Tier     High  female

 

     Delta          Male   Delta Female
1165195   230   |    3035
2230260295  |    3035
3295325360  |    3035
4360390425  |    3035
5425455490  |     3035
6490520555  |    3035
7555585620  |    3035
8620650685  |    3035

(I pulled all these numbers and equations from the original horse breed spreadsheet data which was supposedly data mined and what the calc was built from)

Also the original spreed only tells if breed is possible but does calc percentage chance

His Table - Datamineddecoding
NdGradStallion minMare Maxmin tiermax tier
10155166FALSE1(M)
2501751971(M,F)1(M,F)
31001952281(F)1(M,F)
41502152591(F)2(M)
52002352902(M,F)2(M,F)
62502553212(M,F)3(M)
73002753522(F)3(M,F)
83502953833(M,F)4(M)
94003154143(M,F)4(M,F)
104503354453(F)5(M)
115003554763(F)5(M,F)
125503755074(M,F)6(M)
136003955384(F)6(M,F)
146504155694(F)7(M)
157004356005(M,F)7(M,F)
16750455631 6005(F)7(M,F)
17800475662 6005(F)7(M,F)
18850495693 6306(M,F)8(M)
19900515724 6606(M,F)8(M,F)
20950535755 6606(F)8(M,F)
211000555786 6607(M,F)8(M,F)

Orginal Data mined spreadsheet which calculator is based on:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iNZxInZcRKs0yAQds8nkGMX05lh2G1OUWjV6nu43M4k/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1453843359

 

Edited by Indigoblades
Fixed the Maxfawn, On 9/27 i decided region code must be 10 or greater because people have recieved tier 8's, Note: Horse calculater websight has region code of 9 which must be an error with the latest patch.

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Region_code = 9

Where did u get that info from ? It is the number related to this RU calc ? Because it cannot be 9.

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Yeah.. wasnt here for a long time, but well.. T8 i guess. 

Parents Mama: T7D (lvl 30) and Papa T7G (lvl 30) = T8 A(i guess) Male :)

Sorry for the dark screens :D

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Yeah.. wasnt here for a long time, but well.. T8 i guess. 

Parents Mama: T7D (lvl 30) and Papa T7G (lvl 30) = T8 A(i guess) Male :)

Sorry for the dark screens :D

2016-08-10_11457771.JPG

2016-08-10_11472096.JPG

very nice!

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Yeah.. wasnt here for a long time, but well.. T8 i guess. 

Parents Mama: T7D (lvl 30) and Papa T7G (lvl 30) = T8 A(i guess) Male :)

Sorry for the dark screens :D

2016-08-10_11457771.JPG

2016-08-10_11472096.JPG

Grats on your T8. Can you go through the list of skills and see if there is anything new than t7 can learn please.

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Yeah.. wasnt here for a long time, but well.. T8 i guess. 

Parents Mama: T7D (lvl 30) and Papa T7G (lvl 30) = T8 A(i guess) Male :)

Sorry for the dark screens :D

 

 

Congrats! :)

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Jusy want to share my pain......

I was breeding horses since RU server started(that's about one year playing), running them all nights nonstop... and so far i got ONLY ONE *****g t7 horse! 

RNGesus hate me more then everyone!

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I guess you would mean these here for the new skills? Didnt even know about that hehe

And thanks for the gratulations. Acctually i cant believe it. I had soooo many trys for my first T7. Its been like 24 or something and now just the first one pops :D

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i have only 1 x t7 male and 1x t7 female, will it be better to breed the 2x t7 or justmake t6+t7 like t5+t6 was before?

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Yeah.. wasnt here for a long time, but well.. T8 i guess. 

Parents Mama: T7D (lvl 30) and Papa T7G (lvl 30) = T8 A(i guess) Male :)

Sorry for the dark screens :D

2016-08-10_11457771.JPG

 

so much gz! :D Hope he gets all the good skills

Edited by Fjearyl
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So T8 looks again just like T7 sayans..? O.o that´s... kinda lame

but gratz anyway, obviously! You made it look so easy!! :D

Edited by RainbowRat

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Bleh -.- im not the Number One with T8 ... 

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I guess you would mean these here for the new skills? Didnt even know about that hehe

And thanks for the gratulations. Acctually i cant believe it. I had soooo many trys for my first T7. Its been like 24 or something and now just the first one pops :D

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Ah I almost Forgot about those skills. Back and Front kick turn into AoE, Sideways move goes crazy fast and IA procs twice. I NEEEEED one of these babies. Thanks for sharing that part I was wondering...

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so far I have got 2 x T6 and 1 x T7 post patch, so WELL DONE KinyaCoE SOOOOOO lucky!!! :)

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Where did u get that info from ? It is the number related to this RU calc ? Because it cannot be 9.

 

I only said that formula's i presented mimics the calculator (not if the calculate is 100& correct in all cases). It definitely is for lower tiers i think but at higher tiers somehow color theory effects breeding inways no one can explain. (or Daum has/had a bug in higher grade breeding). My previous post have stated i question how accurte the calc is at higher grades (breeding for tier 7 in layman terms).

 

In DIRECT response to your questions:

1. Where did u get that info from ?: On his Horse Breed Calculator page he has links to math behind the Calculator. I follow that to more links and you will find the spreadsheet.

2. It is the number related to this RU calc ? The original spreadsheet was derived from other region BDO calcs. I assume its the russian one but cant say. He states on his calc page the math behind the calc, which goes to forums which goes to the google spreadsheet horse calculator that i had a link to in original post. 

3. Because it cannot be 9. Region code is 9 in the original spreadsheet. the spreed sheet is pain to use so the calculator is great and it gives lots of other useful info and it is updated..

Also the region code in the formula below always match's the Calculator results.

with no death, I use raw_grade = 130 + 65 x Avg_tier_parents + 4.5 x combined level of parents. (4.5 = region code/2, for a region code = 9)

and it match's the calc perfectly every time. Now daum could have changed the region in one of the latter patch's and his calc doesn't reflect that. 

Calc link:

http://www.blackd.de/horse/?mt=1&ml=30&md=0&ft=1&fl=30&fd=0

 

Edited by Indigoblades

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It was 9 before they said they increased chances to get higher horse tiers, wasn't it ?

Edit : Yes it cannot be 9 for us or we wouldn't have T8 available. It is actually 10 or 11 i assume.

Nvm, i think we're talking about different things.

Edited by Eyolis

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It was 9 before they said they increased chances to get higher horse tiers, wasn't it ?

Edit : Yes it cannot be 9 for us or we wouldn't have T8 available. It is actually 10 or 11 i assume.

We will know if its 11 if some God-Blessed person breeds a mare. I would assume the chances for a T8 mare are abysmal.

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Great on the T8!!!

Patch notes show 5 T8 skins available. 

The "sell" level has been increased to 14 and above that there is Imperial Training (??). Need to figure out how that works.

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  • Registering fee for the Market Place has been removed.

Did anyone see this? Does this mean they removed the tax from selling horses on the market? O.o

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Grats:)) Good luck to all !!!

Here are the stats t8 29-30 lvl

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I had assumed we were now on Regional Rate 10 (moved up from 9 which we were on).

 

Grats on the T8!!

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