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Paid expansions with lower price Cash shop.


Paid Expansion/Updates or Free Expansion/Updates   284 votes

  1. 1. Which would you prefer?

    • Paid expansion/updates and lower price cash shop.
      66
    • Free expansion/updates and leave cash shop as is.
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Hello Community!

Daums very own CM_Jouska and Rick Van Beem recently did a Q&A.

Can be found here

Q&A YouTube

In Game Cash Shop question Starts at 13:50

Rick stated, " Yes.... but on the other hand if you look at the amount of content you get for.. lets say you buy a 30 euro package... I mean there are indie games that cost as much, and you know.. don't get me wrong but I do think we have a very strong... proposition with Black Desert Online, and yes, I mean we have a cash shop, and we have tried and I think successfully to eliminate the cash shop of any pay to win items, and that is also a bit of our lively hood that will make sure we can get the other content updates to you also for free. You know in the end we are still running a business, and ya know we still need to make revenue, it's as simple as that."

The question is do we like or rather agree with this? Or would we rather have lower price cash shop with paid expansions/updates?

As a buy to play game we all paid the base price there are no "free to play" players. I then have to wonder is a cosmetic outfit worth as Rick stated " there are indie games that cost as much"? I have no issue with a cash shop, honestly, I do not even have a large issue with the current prices. I am not going to buy many costumes at the current price of $29, where I would buy almost all if they were more reasonably priced at $15-20. However, that is me, not speaking for others here, which is why I am making this thread.

Personally I would be willing to to pay for expansion/updates if it would lower the cash shop prices. The claim that the high cash shop prices is to keep the games future content free, seems a bit silly. There are a few dozen games on the current market that are completely free yet have more reasonable prices on their cash shop. Granted content and team sizes varies company to company. 

Please let Daum know what you think!

Please try and keep it civil.

Thanks! 

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No thank you, I like it how it is.

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Absolutely not.  Optional items should be pricey if it means mandatory content updates (you can't opt out and still play) are free.  

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absolutely prefer it the way we have it right now.
Why would I want a mandatory payment for everyone?

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Hit the wrong option.


I would prefer subs with no shop.

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Hello Community!

Daums very own CM_Jouska and Rick Van Beem recently did a Q&A.

Can be found here

Q&A YouTube

In Game Cash Shop question Starts at 13:50

Rick stated, " Yes.... but on the other hand if you look at the amount of content you get for.. lets say you buy a 30 euro package... I mean there are indie games that cost as much, and you know.. don't get me wrong but I do think we have a very strong... proposition with Black Desert Online, and yes, I mean we have a cash shop, and we have tried and I think successfully to eliminate the cash shop of any pay to win items, and that is also a bit of our lively hood that will make sure we can get the other content updates to you also for free. You know in the end we are still running a business, and ya know we still need to make revenue, it's as simple as that."

The question is do we like or rather agree with this? Or would we rather have lower price cash shop with paid expansions/updates?

As a buy to play game we all paid the base price there are no "free to play" players. I then have to wonder is a cosmetic outfit worth as Rick stated " there are indie games that cost as much"? I have no issue with a cash shop, honestly, I do not even have a large issue with the current prices. I am not going to buy many costumes at the current price of $29, where I would buy almost all if they were more reasonably priced at $15-20. However, that is me, not speaking for others here, which is why I am making this thread.

Personally I would be willing to to pay for expansion/updates if it would lower the cash shop prices. The claim that the high cash shop prices is to keep the games future content free, seems a bit silly. There are a few dozen games on the current market that are completely free yet have more reasonable prices on their cash shop. Granted content and team sizes varies company to company. 

Please let Daum know what you think!

Please try and keep it civil.

Thanks! 

Remember those games you speak of also uses a premium sub option or a gem to gold/cash to gold option.

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Remember those games you speak of also uses a premium sub option or a gem to gold/cash to gold option.

That's a very fair point.

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as is..

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That's a very fair point.

note that aside from gw2, most outfits are character bound in other games.

plus, BDo outfits are 20$, the 9$ consists of the weapon and subweapon.

Edit: also, other games like Tera intentionslly make cheaper costumes and also a variation (usually recolor/texture or something) that is locked behind an RNG box.

other games also can book your weapon or downgrade, and they sell enchantment cash shop items.

thats the real cash grab. And it doesnt exist in bdo.

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Free expansions is more content to keep more people playing the game, the people complaining about the cash shop are still playing and still paying lol. 

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Where is the free expansion, remove p2w items from the cash shop, but keep the cosmetic items in the cashshop option?

Good little goys, always wanting to throw shekels at mroe p2w items

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I wonder if some people voting for paid expansions realize that a cheaper cash shop means mandatory fees for everyone when expansions roll around.  I wonder how you can think the optional cash shop prices are unfair, but a mandatory fee for all players is fine?

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I am 100% ok with the current cash shop. The prices are a good balance for what it pays for, and I get free future content updates free. I love the buy to play model, it's great for those with little money to throw at games for a subscription and then content updates.

Normal subscription fee is 15$ a month, plus the game, plus the cost of each expansion. I think BDO is a great deal.

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Rick is just bad at marketing and clearly has no clue about the prices in the gaming sector, I don't remember the last time I saw an indie game selling for 30 euro

Take for instance both Warframe & Path of Exile, both indie companies, both released their games free to play, both have reasonably priced cash shops and probably have just as much content as BD and both are quite successful

Then there's the question of, how do the Free regions get free content if they don't have the buy in entrance fee yet has similar cash shop prices

If you look at it logically you'll see he's just spouting typical marketing BS, sad thing is so many people buy into the BS

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note that aside from gw2, most outfits are character bound in other games.

plus, BDo outfits are 20$, the 9$ consists of the weapon and subweapon.

Edit: also, other games like Tera intentionslly make cheaper costumes and also a variation (usually recolor/texture or something) that is locked behind an RNG box.

other games also can book your weapon or downgrade, and they sell enchantment cash shop items.

thats the real cash grab. And it doesnt exist in bdo.

And what makes you think if sales get low they won't start selling enchanting itmes? like every other f2p model?

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No thanks. Quite happy with current pricing and structure. It's a great deal.

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I am 100% ok with the current cash shop. The prices are a good balance for what it pays for, and I get free future content updates free. I love the buy to play model, it's great for those with little money to throw at games for a subscription and then content updates.

Normal subscription fee is 15$ a month, plus the game, plus the cost of each expansion. I think BDO is a great deal.

Normally $15 a month gives you access to all aspects of the game, so you can have access to everything.

Items/outfits/pets/housing items and all CS Premium items that are craftable

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Who's freeloader now? Paying for content is much bigger support than for damn outfits and overpriced cash shop items, but I guess f2p players don't like this :P

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Voted to keep as is, would i have complained if stuff was cheaper? ofcourse not, everyone likes cheap stuff :P the current prices don't break me though.

Sure cheaper costumes would be nice, although costumes pluss weapons are not THAT more expensive then what i've seen before, i'm used to about 15$ for a costume and about 8 to 10$ for a weapon skin, the total there makes it just 5ish$ more expensive, so they have "almost" hit that sweet spot, occasional cash shop sales will probably happen anyways.

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No thanks. I'd rather not gate off the community.

The cash shop is expensive, no doubt, but I'd much rather have the cash shop stay as it is and allow for people not interested in paying more still be able to participate in everything and have access to every class. Tearing down a small cosmetic wall to put in actual content walls is just not something I can get behind and it has nothing to do with being cheap.

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You do know all other BDOs get content for free, right? They're F2P. And have cheaper CS than ours.

Argument "CS is expensive but you get free updates!" is just stupid. xD This is a B2P game with F2P Cash Shop and their reason for it is "At least you get free content!".

Do you think RU purchases Mediah or Valencia update? JP? KR? No!

No F2P games have purchasable DLCs. Not a single one! xD

It's like saying "Well we're ripping you off but at least we're not ripping you off!"

 

Either make the game purely B2P or purely F2P, they shouldn't be allowed to do both and then try to look good for not making the game pure P2P.

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And those other versions have black stones in the cash shop, the costumes sellable on the market so people can pretty easilly buy silver and weapon/armor upgrades by swiping their credit card.

Would that be preferable? :P thats the difference between our two version, makes the small bonuses on that god awfull leaf suit i wouldn't pay 1$ for look alot better ^_^

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No. There's people who just won't buy cash shop items period. If that happened you've just heavily reduced your population, had players quit and have less people joining the game.

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Expansions divide players. This invalidates your whole point.

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Hello Community!

Daums very own CM_Jouska and Rick Van Beem recently did a Q&A.

Can be found here

Q&A YouTube

In Game Cash Shop question Starts at 13:50

Rick stated, " Yes.... but on the other hand if you look at the amount of content you get for.. lets say you buy a 30 euro package... I mean there are indie games that cost as much, and you know.. don't get me wrong but I do think we have a very strong... proposition with Black Desert Online, and yes, I mean we have a cash shop, and we have tried and I think successfully to eliminate the cash shop of any pay to win items, and that is also a bit of our lively hood that will make sure we can get the other content updates to you also for free. You know in the end we are still running a business, and ya know we still need to make revenue, it's as simple as that."

The question is do we like or rather agree with this? Or would we rather have lower price cash shop with paid expansions/updates?

As a buy to play game we all paid the base price there are no "free to play" players. I then have to wonder is a cosmetic outfit worth as Rick stated " there are indie games that cost as much"? I have no issue with a cash shop, honestly, I do not even have a large issue with the current prices. I am not going to buy many costumes at the current price of $29, where I would buy almost all if they were more reasonably priced at $15-20. However, that is me, not speaking for others here, which is why I am making this thread.

Personally I would be willing to to pay for expansion/updates if it would lower the cash shop prices. The claim that the high cash shop prices is to keep the games future content free, seems a bit silly. There are a few dozen games on the current market that are completely free yet have more reasonable prices on their cash shop. Granted content and team sizes varies company to company. 

Please let Daum know what you think!

Please try and keep it civil.

Thanks! 

I don't agree with either choice. Usual disclaimer - don't get me wrong because I love the game etc etc.

This cash shop content has already been paid for three times over - in KR, JP and RU. Production costs have more than been covered and then some. What Daum EU have is effectively a satellite office, and you can bet they try to run it on as small a budget as possible. Then of course there's the box price... yes it doesn't cover all costs, but it's also a revenue stream for a tiny office that no other region has had.

Prices are greedy high, this has got nothing to do with keeping the lights on, or a choice between free content (like every other region) and pay to win. It has everything to do with absolutely maximising the margins by double dipping customers and it's the one big failing this version of the game has so far.

And those other versions have black stones in the cash shop, the costumes sellable on the market so people can pretty easilly buy silver and weapon/armor upgrades by swiping their credit card.

No they don't, they have blackstones in the LOYALTY store. And yeah, cash shop stuff is sellable on the AH. That isn't really that big of a deal, certainly not the issue people here make it out to be.

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