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PSA: Daum is aware that outfits are expensive but will not lower prices. End of discussion.


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Hey, hey. Some of us whales aren't calling you entitled. We're paying for your additional content -and- agreeing that their prices are anti-consumer, overpriced, etc. I don't want to be just playing with a few other folks with fatter wallets come a year from now. 

Try not to paint everyone with a disposable income the same, mmkay? 

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I would probably drop some cash in the shop if I could actually get into the game when I want to play.

Costumes are pricey but they are kind of gorgeous too. But the server issues are a plague and there just isn't much incentive to buy things when you can't even play the game without being ejected from the server every 10-20 minutes.

 

I'm glad they feel they are getting a return on investment... unlike many MMOGs that have kicked the bucket in recent years.

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I think it says a lot to the state of MMo design today when the price is the hottest thing in contention and not the fact that buying from a cash shop is simply.. not fun? All the whales on here saying others are entitled for wanting things without earning them make me rage. You didn't -----ing earn your costume you daft -----, you clicked a buy now button. Whoopdee -----in doo. So many proud whales in here, you all realise you're a -----in blight and embarrassing yourselves?

A sub is better than a cash shop for one key reason. You actually have to play the game to get the shit you want. CRAZY THOUGHT THAT.

Anyway...

The costumes are a joke at the price they are. The dye system is appalling. The VALUE is not there at all to anyone with a rational viewpoint. Even your prodigal DAUM admitted their shit is over priced.

And you wanna talk about supporting the game? You mean this game with SHIT TIER voice acting, piss poor translation, bugs that should have been fixed over a year ago, ----- all staff, volunteer community support (LOL!)... I mean we could go on. The game is pretty good most of the time to be fair, but it's being handled by a company who are either naive in the extreme or completely predatory. Evidence seems to point to both. Combo!

If DAUM put half the effort into polishing this game as they did polishing their pearl shop experience(TM) then perhaps.. just perhaps, I'd buy into their price structure. But they don't and deep down you all know it. If you haven't seen a -----ing stupid bug that should not be there in this stage of the games life then you are either in deep, deep denial or some kind of PVP stevie wonder machine.

Of course, I'm just a poor though right? Do me a -----in favour. I have honestly never seen a playerbase of such ass kissing, company loving freaks as this one. Actually, I've seen some, but I suppose when you're protecting your over priced financial investment as well as your time investment, the stakes are higher.

Have a like and a +1. Well said. The state of MMO design is pretty much in shambles unless you love RL money grab casinos with short attention span spam fest combat and communities dominated by the dumbass 12 y/o "GIT GUD" mindset. I guess the Internet has finally gotten the MMO genre it deserves. Maybe Pantheon will be the MMO genre savior but I won't hold my breath.

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people need to find ways to justify their foolish spending habits on overpriced virtual goods, so they say it's fine because they have a job. 

It's not foolish if you can afford it. We have differing opinions and people value money differently. Nobody is right or wrong, it's all based on your life situation.

 

To some people $5 is a substantial amount of money. To others it's pocket change. I have no problem spotting people $3 here and $5 there when they need it because I can afford it no problem. Other people have to balance their checkbooks to lend someone a dollar then absolutely need it back in 3 days. There is nothing wrong with either situation.

 

Nobody is foolish because everybody has different situations.

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so anyone wanna compare bank statements or something, or can we all stop ousting anyone who refuses to buy into the cash shop on principle as poor?

If anything, the people who don't buy pearls are rich!

Source: I buy them and I am super poor. ;-; Teach me your ways of self control.

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It's not foolish if you can afford it. We have differing opinions and people value money differently. Nobody is right or wrong, it's all based on your life situation.

 

To some people $5 is a substantial amount of money. To others it's pocket change. I have no problem spotting people $3 here and $5 there when they need it because I can afford it no problem. Other people have to balance their checkbooks to lend someone a dollar then absolutely need it back in 3 days. There is nothing wrong with either situation.

 

Nobody is foolish because everybody has different situations.

I have to respectfully disagree. I think 30 dollars for an in-game costume that only works on a single character (in a game that strongly encourages multiple characters to maximize energy) is objectively absurd and foolish. Some may not care if it's expensive or foolish and buy it anyway but that doesn't change the nature of the purchase.

It's true that not everyone values money the same but money (brace for it) has an objective value regardless of how much people place their own value on it and 30 dollars is equal to the entire cost of the game (or another game) and this is just a single costume on a single character. What about underwear? What about the pet casino game? What about the dye casino game? What about buying inventory/bag space (when again the game almost forces you into buying more with the 3,000 different things to collect and hoard for turn ins, crafting etc..). Yes, you can find inventory expansion in game but no it's not enough unless you are a masochist or just vendor everything.

It's probably true that if you play the game long term the expense probably evens out with the cost of a sub eventually (depending on how foolish you are with purchases) but you can easily spend the equivalent of 2 years of subscription before you even hit 1-2 months and before you even know if you will play the game long term. All the cost is front loaded which isn't good value for most people. If you end up quitting after 2 months it ends up being obscenely expensive compared to what you might spend on a typical game. You may not care. You might be able to afford it. That doesn't make it less foolish.

I know some will say you don't *need* to buy all of this and that is true but it doesn't change the fact that to experience most of these elements you do have to pay because in most cases there aren't in-game options for what you can find in the cash shop. So your choice is to be excluded from highly desirable items or pay a huge premium that may or may not turn out reasonable down the line.

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Well from a business standpoint, why would they lower the prices when idiots keep buying them?

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Because from a business standpoint, they are going to bleed customers who view it as the only way to customize their characters and as a greedy cash grab.

And when we whales get disheartened from the lack of people to show off our fancy outfits too, then we'll leave as well.

From a business standpoint, it would be better for them to think longer term. 

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So people complain if its Play to win,   and then complain to pay for costumes.    I bought every costume for my tamer among other items.   Maybe people should quit wanting things and work towards a better job to afford the item.

and speaking of b2p expansions.  I hope they do make buy to pay for future expansions.  Ones that will not be connected to current world chats also.  That will not allow access with the 7 day keys.

 

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Its not about whether people can afford the costume or not, its about not getting value for the amount of money you spend on the costume, $30 for 1 costume for only one class is not worth it at all, basically new costumes will come out and people will buy the new one leaving the last costume in the bank or worst deleting them. That is basically Daums plan, bring something new to cashshop people go and buy them without thinking.

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Logic is something you should omit on internet discussions. Just read a thread in Elsword where people claim it is not p2w, and someone was telling it was not p2w as anyone can buy cash shop stuff from other players lol.

Anyway, BDO is a standard f2p KR mmo in design; and I am happy with what I get in return of my money without needing to be delusional about what the game really is. People apparently need more self-justification and guilt for the money spent. Piece of advice: make peace with the money you are wasting for that guilty pleasure. 

PS: No the money you spend is not going into supporting the development, it is only supporting the licensing DAUM NA/EU is paying for the core game, and rest is piling their pockets.

Chill 

I'd say I have some arguments about Elsword's "P2W" System, considering they do have events where most of the costume pieces and accessories can be obtained for free, but for the most part you will eventually have to invest some money into that game. ----- its gambling system.

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Please don't forget to vote here.

 

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Cash shop purchasers are the ones supporting the game.  So more respect for our foolish purchases then ~

Actually everyone playing supported this game more than enough by spending $30-100 on it despite Daum only translating and running servers. You are just getting ripped off. 

 

They've made over 12 million dollars in the first month which way more than either of those two things could ever hope to cost. And guess what? They aren't going to use that money to make this game any better. Congrats on being gainfully employed though. You're not special. People who are employed AND experienced savvy consumers know that just because you have cash in hand doesn't mean you should just throw it at anything. So no, no one respects your foolish purchases. In fact you're only making things worse for everyone.

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The outfits aren't expensive. 

If you spend $100/month on buying outfits, dyes, XP boost deals etc. and play only 100 hours/month (we all play WAY more) then you just got to play the game for $1/hour even though you could have played it for free. How much money do we spend going to see a movie? Or out to dinner? 

It's worth the money and I'd happily pay even more if they raised the prices for how many hours of enjoyment I've gotten out of this game. 
 

ah yes, good goy the prices are just fine, spend more shekels for favors from your noselords

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Personally I am happy with Daum for saying they will not change the prices. They're being open about how they will do the costumes instead of leaving customers to keep asking over and over again expecting a change.

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Guys you are not getting it! They make alot more money currently with this pricy cash shop. Just example: i been against steep price, but had to bend over and bought 2 pets + 8inv slots. This ia not much, but totaled its like 25€ and this is ontop of the 30€ buy in. Now my friend, he started yesterday and before he was lvl 10 he bought full costume set, dyes, 3 pets, and something else also. 

Ppl buy for hundrends from the pearl shop. Does not matter if you didnt buy.

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TL;DR: Daum will not make costumes cheaper. They are swimming in money from whales buying both sets of Kibelius outfits for one character and spending hundreds on the dye system. They are aware that it is expensive and they have no intention to change it.

While I agree that costumes are overpriced, I don't think any amount of discussion will ever bring about change when Daum is making money anyway. Therefore it is pointless to talk about it any further. 

Korean version differs from NA/EU... I think the prices are fine and it has not stopped me from buying a lot.

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Korean version differs from NA/EU... I think the prices are fine and it has not stopped me from buying a lot.

Same here.  

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I spent several hundred euros on the game near the start, but have all but stopped spending any money whatsoever due to flagrantly anti-consumer practices. My last 10,000 pearl transaction has gone half unspent for over a month. I exchanged my free pet and got the same T2 back a third time running, but I won't be spending any more pearls to continue that particular charade.

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