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The Issue With Elion's Tears


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There will be a TL;DR at the bottom of this post.

 

Backstory: I was farming Shadow Knights at Abandon Monastery and I can usually control the entire back area of the cave to myself. Another players was farming there I told them to leave, they didn't leave so I PK'd them. We've had previous wars with said guild so it wasn't like we weren't used to killing one another. After the first death he pearled, second death pearled, killing him 6 times pearling each time. Ok I was out of karma now and he wasn't leaving obviously so I declared war on his guild to make it easier on my lack of karma. 15 minutes pass and the war begins. Killing him over and over, more and more pearls spent on elion's tears.

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That's 38 GvG kills and 6 PK killing. $22 well worth spent?

What's the issue?: This player spamming tears didn't have any negative effect on me but it made me think more about it as it's happened more than just this one occurrence. Recently in GvG facing another guild in a larger scale more like 30 v 30 if one of the guilds is using Elion's Tear on death they will eventually win, because they paid more money. Now my guild is guilty of it as any other guild might be but I think there could be a simple solution to fix the spam of Elion's Tear. There's many possible solution but the most reasonable would be adding a cooldown to the Elion's Tear itself or allowing it to only be usable once the respawn timer is about half way down.

 

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Spamming Elion's Tear in larger scale pvp can create a significant advantage for the players using them, equally some form of pay to win. I understand pay to convenience but I'm not sure how much of a convenience it is if it can turn the tides of a fight.  
 

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look guys im supporting development 

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Should have a cool down.

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Should have a cool down.

A one minute cooldown would probably just be enough if not longer.

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Try to PvP at lv 56+, 1% of xp loss hurt so much. The other guy will just use Tear and continue to try to kill you.

This is the very definition of P2W, when the others guy has close to your gears and skills, you either run away or take big xp loss which results into hours of grinding gone.

Bosses as well, Tears up and never worry about going to run away or loss of loots.

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Try to PvP at lv 56+, 1% of xp loss hurt so much. The other guy will just use Tear and continue to try to kill you.

This is the very definition of P2W, when the others guy has close to your gears and skills, you either run away or take big xp loss which results into hours of grinding gone.

Bosses as well, Tears up and never worry about going to run away or loss of loots.

Maybe they can make it PvP based. So if you are killed by a player it gives it a cooldown to use instant respawn on point of death. I'm fine with people using Elion's Tear to spawn back at town or node. Maybe I should of thought of this portion more but the part that is very pay to win in my eyes is being able to respawn back instantly where you just died.

If they just removed the instant spawn where you died it would fix it all to be honest. Elion's Tear to node or town would be very reasonable to me.

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I made this exact thread addressing this issue a couple days ago, everyone that posted basically called me an idiot, although I'm sure 99% of the people who posted aren't even above 50. I don't think people realize how incredibly abusive tears can be.

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A one minute cooldown would probably just be enough if not longer.

That or if you are killed by a player, using a tear automatically shoots you to the nearest town.

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That or if you are killed by a player, using a tear automatically shoots you to the nearest town.

That'd be a good solution.

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What's the point in wasting tears when you keep getting rekt? It's like throwing your money out the window. 

@CM_Jouska Please look for a fix to this.

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I think they'd make it cost more before nerfing it.  This is a business after all.

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If anything business decision wise it seems like working as intended. Also....

Come one guys it is not p2w, it is just convenience. Nothing you can not get in game. You can farm for that %1 xp, riiiiight? :D

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I think there needs to be a better option than receiving an exp loss when killed.  Perhaps lose Energy instead and maybe even 15,000silver or some far number from your bags and that 15,000silver goes to your killer.  That way said person who keeps coming back and back will either want to run away and bank his silver before coming back.  And at the very least won't have Energy to do other activities?

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p2w, case in point prove me wrong.

 

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I think there needs to be a better option than receiving an exp loss when killed.  Perhaps lose Energy instead and maybe even 15,000silver or some far number from your bags and that 15,000silver goes to your killer.  That way said person who keeps coming back and back will either want to run away and bank his silver before coming back.  And at the very least won't have Energy to do other activities?

I think the exp loss will always be in place.

All they need to do is make the elion's tear spawn you at town or node not at origin of death.

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I made this exact thread addressing this issue a couple days ago, everyone that posted basically called me an idiot, although I'm sure 99% of the people who posted aren't even above 50. I don't think people realize how incredibly abusive tears can be.

Idiot... lol jokes but seriously i agree it hurts me inside that people who keep using these seem to have soooooooo many...

I like Alcohol to much to by pearls, This means i can never win

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I am just sad he didn't take that money and buy a cute costume. Look good, play good. It explains everything here D:

 

Also.. yesh.. tears and stuff.. cool downs.. <insert intelligent commentary here>

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There will be a TL;DR at the bottom of this post.

 

Backstory: I was farming Shadow Knights at Abandon Monastery and I can usually control the entire back area of the cave to myself. Another players was farming there I told them to leave, they didn't leave so I PK'd them. We've had previous wars with said guild so it wasn't like we weren't used to killing one another. After the first death he pearled, second death pearled, killing him 6 times pearling each time. Ok I was out of karma now and he wasn't leaving obviously so I declared war on his guild to make it easier on my lack of karma. 15 minutes pass and the war begins. Killing him over and over, more and more pearls spent on elion's tears.

NV7MiIi.png

That's 38 GvG kills and 6 PK killing. $22 well worth spent?

What's the issue?: This player spamming tears didn't have any negative effect on me but it made me think more about it as it's happened more than just this one occurrence. Recently in GvG facing another guild in a larger scale more like 30 v 30 if one of the guilds is using Elion's Tear on death they will eventually win, because they paid more money. Now my guild is guilty of it as any other guild might be but I think there could be a simple solution to fix the spam of Elion's Tear. There's many possible solution but the most reasonable would be adding a cooldown to the Elion's Tear itself or allowing it to only be usable once the respawn timer is about half way down.

 

TL;DR

Spamming Elion's Tear in larger scale pvp can create a significant advantage for the players using them, equally some form of pay to win. I understand pay to convenience but I'm not sure how much of a convenience it is if it can turn the tides of a fight.  
 

These Elion's tears are made for people like you, who think they bought the spot or some shit. Fk off with the qq, the Elion tear is as BS as your thread is.

 

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This happens when two people, who don't know when to quit, meet each other. I can almost hear the kaching of DAUM's cashier here in the Netherlands :)

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Or remove the possibility to use them if you get killed by a player. They are nice for world bosses when you don't want to lose days of grinding in 10m

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These Elion's tears are made for people like you, who think they bought the spot or some shit. Fk off with the qq, the Elion tear is as BS as your thread is.

 

I don't think you read the post or understand a part of the game.

The spam of Elion's Tear is for the circumstance where it'll give another player or group of  players a dramatic edge over other players in a fight by instant respawning where they had died.

As for the part of the game there's flagging and war declarations in the game for a reason and I'll use them if I feel the need to claim a farming spot on a channel for however long I desire.

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I don't think you read the post or understand a part of the game.

The spam of Elion's Tear is for the circumstance where it'll give another player or group of  players a dramatic edge over other players in a fight by instant respawning where they had died.

As for the part of the game there's flagging and war declarations in the game for a reason and I'll use them if I feel the need to claim a farming spot on a channel for however long I desire.

then dont qq when he will keep reviving with his tears just to ruin your day. What about sharing a damn spot jesus christ..

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then dont qq when he will keep reviving with his tears just to ruin your day. What about sharing a damn spot jesus christ..

-----ING TROLL TARD!

Do you comprehend what you read or just want to troll no matter how dumb it makes you look and no matter how off of topic you are?

Did you read anything he typed at all or just want to troll asap?

-----ing child go troll elsewhere or learn to -----ing read!

I can't believe people are spamming these things like that.  I have used a few, but ----- that rather spend the pearls on better things.

What a waste!  Did he even kill you once?  I mean it looks like he wasted how many potions and was still left at point a?  Holy stupid batman lol

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-----ING TROLL TARD!

Do you comprehend what you read or just want to troll no matter how dumb it makes you look and no matter how off of topic you are?

Did you read anything he typed at all or just want to troll asap?

-----ing child go troll elsewhere or learn to -----ing read!

I can't believe people are spamming these things like that.  I have used a few, but ----- that rather spend the pearls on better things.

What a waste!  Did he even kill you once?  I mean it looks like he wasted how many potions and was still left at point a?  Holy stupid batman lol

wut?

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wut?

Well did you read his post?

He wasn't complaining about dying or anyone ruing anyone's day.  He took a situation where someone he KEPT KILLING kept using tears to res and noticed that in big gvg battles this can be a big factor.

I mean in a tight gvg fight, it can come down to who has more pots and res elixirs to spam will win not who is better necessarily.

Make more sense now?

 

 

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