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I have 35 failstacks...


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What should I do with them?

Been watching some enchanting guides but not fully clear. I was trying to get some armor up got to about 15 failstacks decided to carry on trying on my weapon +13 to +14 but kept failing.

Now I realise that's enough, time to use stacks elsewhere. So should I get some marks of shadow to attempt to enchant those? or what? basically guides say failstacks are sort of an investment, for example If I got 2 mark of shadow and enhanced them i'd easily cover the stones I "Wasted".

Any advice?

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yes, I wouldn't use a huge stack like that on regular stuff. use an alt to enchant your regular stuff for now. Save this for witch earrings or MOS, imo.

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normal marks of shadow would be a waste, get a pri and try for a duo. Pri MoS should be done after 15

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I have 56 at the moment.  I failed a Duo Mark of Shadows attempt at 55 to give me 56.  =D  I guess I'll save them for smashing some Ogre rings together.  I'll probably blow them up too.

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I have 56 at the moment.  I failed a Duo Mark of Shadows attempt at 55 to give me 56.  =D  I guess I'll save them for smashing some Ogre rings together.  I probably blow them up too.

oh god... painful.

Any of you guys have a % success chance table for jewelry? or is the weapon the only one that exists? just wondering what my chances are of losing marks of shadow for example when attempted with 35 fails.

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oh god... painful.
Any of you guys have a % success chance table for jewelry? or is the weapon the only one that exists? just wondering what my chances are of losing marks of shadow for example when attempted with 35 fails.

I've scoured the Net and haven't seen one yet.   Nothing but speculation and what kind of dances you must do in order to succeed.

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I've scoured the Net and haven't seen one yet.   Nothing but speculation and what kind of dances you must do in order to succeed.

It doesn't help that the table changes depending on the quality of the ring as well.

Green > Blue > Orange all have different tables.

I'd love to know what it was myself but I also take note of what people say they were successful at upgrading individual pieces at.  I've heard of people failing PRI MoS at 25 stacks back to back and people succeeding at 15 stacks.

Needless to say I think that once you're at 25 stacks you're better off spending them on accessories only.  Personally I'd save anything with 20 or above.

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It doesn't help that the table changes depending on the quality of the ring as well.

Green > Blue > Orange all have different tables.

I'd love to know what it was myself but I also take note of what people say they were successful at upgrading individual pieces at.  I've heard of people failing PRI MoS at 25 stacks back to back and people succeeding at 15 stacks.

Needless to say I think that once you're at 25 stacks you're better off spending them on accessories only.  Personally I'd save anything with 20 or above.

Yeah, any time someone in my guild succeeds at enchanting rare jewelry I always inquire about the amount of stacks they had.  I've successfully PRI'd two Marks of Shadow at 11 and 13 fail stacks.   I've successfully PRI'd one Witches Earring at 13 fail stacks.  I know someone who blew up 4 pairs of witches earrings from 15-18 fail stacks.  I know someone who blew up some ogre rings at 26 fail stacks.  The important thing to take away is that even with the maximum (not that we actually know if there is a max) amount of fail stacks for a particular piece of jewelry, it can still fail.  =D

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Yeah, any time someone in my guild succeeds at enchanting rare jewelry I always inquire about the amount of stacks they had.  I've successfully PRI'd two Marks of Shadow at 11 and 13 fail stacks.   I've successfully PRI'd one Witches Earring at 13 fail stacks.  I know someone who blew up 4 pairs of witches earrings from 15-18 fail stacks.  I know someone who blew up some ogre rings at 26 fail stacks.  The important thing to take away is that even with the maximum (not that we actually know if there is a max) amount of fail stacks for a particular piece of jewelry, it can still fail.  =D

Yeah, knowing what the actual cap of the failstack was per piece and what it's maximum succeed percentage would be pretty clutch to know.

I imagine things like Ogre rings likely cap out at something like 30-50% success at some high number of failstacks. There is just no way for a single user to produce enough statistically relevant quantity of data to figure these things out on his own, and anything some random person says on the internet is suspect.

For example my first enchant attempt in the game was with those Rings of Good deeds...and it succeeded. I've since Tried a dozen times to make PRI rings of good deeds with 4-5 failstacks and failed every one so I assume blue PRI accessory upgrades you'd want a failstack of 8-10 on...I realized it's just not worth making a PRI Ring of good deeds after coming to that conclusion.

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did a pri witch earring at 15, succeed. :P

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i would do at least 25 even then i failed 2 mos so bad rng for me and ----- the system lol

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I follow a very simple system:

  • I/+16   = 0-20
  • II/+17  = 20-30
  • III/+18 = 30-40
  • IV/+19 = 40-50
  • V/+20  = never tried before

The price of the item is THE major factor in how many fail stacks i use. Making a fail stack has a cost and so does a failed or successful enchant. 

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Fail stacks stop scaling after 25. Just fyi.

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Fail stacks stop scaling after 25. Just fyi.

I know, I was trying to force it.

Gamblers psychology at work. Knowing when to quit is main thing when it comes to gambling.

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I follow a very simple system:

  • I/+16   = 0-20
  • II/+17  = 20-30
  • III/+18 = 30-40
  • IV/+19 = 40-50
  • V/+20  = never tried before

The price of the item is THE major factor in how many fail stacks i use. Making a fail stack has a cost and so does a failed or successful enchant. 

I failed for +1 with 32 stacks and you're going for +3 with it? lol talk about optimism

 

 

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I know, I was trying to force it.
Gamblers psychology at work. Knowing when to quit is main thing when it comes to gambling.

It would only have been a mistake had you succeeded. Now you have a nice 35 failstack to use which you will need at some point in the future.  Failstacks only cap at 25 on weapons/armor.

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I've made 2x Witch earrings and 2x MoS to PRI with 20 fail stacks each, no fail.

If you have 35 fail stacks you should go for DUO on Witch or MoS, or go for PRI Ogre Ring. Enchant your items on different character and keep the fail stacks.

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I failed for +1 with 32 stacks and you're going for +3 with it? lol talk about optimism

 

 

It's more of a mathematical equation and not optimism and it all depends on the cost/rarity of the item you're enchanting.

You have a large chance to fail on most blue/orange upgrades no matter how many stacks you have. At some point the stacks themselves become worth more than the extra percentage chance of success multiplied by the cost of the accessory you gain by increasing the stack further.

 

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Fail stacks stop scaling after 25. Just fyi.

only on green, 35 on blue

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only on green, 35 on blue

Interesting... i'll definitely save my stacks for MoS or Witchs etc. I'll just go to an alt to continue with my armor until I can try with a pair of marks.

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Anything above 20 I would save for jewelery. I wouldn't do accessories with less then 20 stacks, but that's just me. I did my PRI witches at 20, PRI shadow at 25 and then a DUO shadow at 30 all succeeded.

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I failed for +1 with 32 stacks and you're going for +3 with it? lol talk about optimism

I had +18's going for 19 in KR. My +18 Kzarka was made using that same system as it were one grade higher just to be safe. If i was constantly waiting until i had higher fail stacks it would have taken forever. I also made two sets just so i always had my 18s untouched. 

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What should I do with them?

Been watching some enchanting guides but not fully clear. I was trying to get some armor up got to about 15 failstacks decided to carry on trying on my weapon +13 to +14 but kept failing.

Now I realise that's enough, time to use stacks elsewhere. So should I get some marks of shadow to attempt to enchant those? or what? basically guides say failstacks are sort of an investment, for example If I got 2 mark of shadow and enhanced them i'd easily cover the stones I "Wasted".

Any advice?

Uhhh I'm going to go ahead and counter your request for advice by asking for advice myself.

Can you just make a short guide of how the ----- you achieved 35 failstack!?

Please?

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I've failed at PRI witch x2 at 25 failstacks. Some of you guys have some awesome luck :P

Uhhh I'm going to go ahead and counter your request for advice by asking for advice myself.

Can you just make a short guide of how the ----- you achieved 35 failstack!?

Please?

Have terrible RNG luck. That's the true secret.

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Uhhh I'm going to go ahead and counter your request for advice by asking for advice myself.

Can you just make a short guide of how the ----- you achieved 35 failstack!?

Please?

yeah bad luck, first 15 stacks came from trying to get +9 heve to go up... wouldn't budge, then I thought well i'm at +15 lets smash a few weapons into my +13 yuria, no dice. I'm thinking ----- that was 20 stones! i could have just forced. But oh well....

I went from +11 to +13 on my bow with 2 stones though... so I guess i had to be punished for that lol.

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