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marketplace bots? fact or fiction? what is the plan?

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so i dunno how the rest of you feel about the marketplace. for me it is just becoming a constant source of frustration. i will try to buy a popular item. so yes, i do search, yes, i do a refresh, and yes as soon as it pops up before i can even click the purchase button it goes gray again. so there are at least several problems, i am more than willing and interested to hear more

problem 1 - with my tinfoil hat on i truly think there are scripts peeps are running to grab items when they need it and there is no way for me to humanly click faster. if this is actually happening is Daum doing something about this?

problem 2 - i am just even slower than i think. in which case because i cannot win the clicking game i am never gonna get the item. never had this problem with any mmo i have played in the last 10 years that has auction house, marketplace etc. but again, maybe i am just terribly slow, bad ping, etc. 

problem 3 - maybe there are other issues i do not know about

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if bots, scripts etc are causing the problem how difficult will it be for Daum to dectect them and ban them?

this could be asking for an incredible amount of work to be done, but is there possibilities of peeps posting 'orders' on the marketplace? like i post an order for item A with the money to pay for it. a player who finds or crafts item A sees the order and sells me the item. no fuss, no muss. or does this open up all kinds of possibilities for even more abuse?

all i can truly say is that at times i feel the approach that Daum is taking to combat gold sellers etc is hurting the game a lot more than it is helping with all kinds of restrictions etc. 

what does everybody else think about how the marketplace is working out?

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Fact, like gold sellers.

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all i know is that searching on the internets (a veritable treasure trove of misinformation) pretty much everybody seems to agree and confirm that there are marketplace scripts/bots for this game. if so, then this is most likely the source of my frustration, and i have seen from several other posts others are getting frustrated too.

it would be great to see a post from the devs. even if they just tell me that i am too slow to click on the buy button and there are no magical bots or scripts it would be nice to know. and if they are working on a solution would be nice to know.

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Even though theres a video showing about market place program, apparently in the eyes of fanboys theres none lol.


So you decide.

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well at this point for me the marketplace might as well not exist. so i am now playing an mmo where i cannot trade, and there is no marketplace/auctionhouse. ugh . . . i realize they have to fight botters etc but you have to still design a game that is enjoyable. i think they forgot that part.

you cant just make every step of the game frustrating as heck and then just say 'cause gold sellers'

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They need better captcha. The current captcha they use hurts human eyes but does little to stop scripts.

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Popular items have a bidding system on them, pretty much an RNG chance of buying items that are in very high demand. They'll have a purple B icon on the top left corner of the items icon, and basically you have like 30 seconds to click buy, do the captcha, and accept to place a bid. Then it goes to a random person that placed a bid

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forshure there is bots.. 100%  i dont no how they are doing it but its being done

 

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captcha #s are read in memory via their ascii code, doesn't matter how hard the captcha is to read to humans

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Popular items have a bidding system on them, pretty much an RNG chance of buying items that are in very high demand. They'll have a purple B icon on the top left corner of the items icon, and basically you have like 30 seconds to click buy, do the captcha, and accept to place a bid. Then it goes to a random person that placed a bid

prob is not for those rare items.

prob is about common materials mostly.

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prob is not for those rare items.

prob is about common materials mostly.

Not from what i've heard, i see no lack of common materials on the market. Not to mention a worker can pull 1000+ materials in a day or two

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well the worst possible experience i have had so far was waiting for grunil gloves. i saw the item go from gray to color and then to gray again. basically it was a less than one second blink of color/active. and then the number sold increased. so i am not really sure what is going on. it was def not 30 seconds at all. it was less than a second.

i guess my question is, are the devs just gonna leave this system alone? is there a plan to improve it?

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well the worst possible experience i have had so far was waiting for grunil gloves. i saw the item go from gray to color and then to gray again. basically it was a less than one second blink of color/active. and then the number sold increased. so i am not really sure what is going on. it was def not 30 seconds at all. it was less than a second.

i guess my question is, are the devs just gonna leave this system alone? is there a plan to improve it?

I've bought out grunil pieces in about a second during the first/second day of mediah release. People are just beating you to it. I'm not saying there are no bots, but they're not as bad as you think. The system works, but demand for new items exceeds supply. Nothing you can do to fix that

Grunil gloves arn't on the bidding system, just fyi.

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Pure myth

Look at 5'30

 

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ummm, crap. is that what i think it was? did that script just click purchase and complete the captcha faster than i can even blink? ugh . . . . 

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Popular items have a bidding system on them, pretty much an RNG chance of buying items that are in very high demand. They'll have a purple B icon on the top left corner of the items icon, and basically you have like 30 seconds to click buy, do the captcha, and accept to place a bid. Then it goes to a random person that placed a bid

Uh... 30 seconds? Come on, I was trying to buy desired item and it disappears at most 2 seconds after appearing, normally 1 or even less (yeah, I even used timer with milliseconds to determine whether I'm so slow or others are incredibly fast)

 

I would also be in doubt like OP about the marketplace and the possibility to buy a popular item. It's NOT impossible (I won once), but is incredibly frustrating to play "Fast and Dead" game against scripts (I assume there are). My ping is < 20ms so that's not an issue. But if I spend more than a second on click+captcha - I can't buy an item, it's already sold. I do not believe ALL of players have such amazing reactions. I can assume 2,3,5 attempts to lose against such fast guys - but when it happens all the times - it makes me wonder - is it truly humans are doing that.

 

well the worst possible experience i have had so far was waiting for grunil gloves. i saw the item go from gray to color and then to gray again. basically it was a less than one second blink of color/active. and then the number sold increased. so i am not really sure what is going on. it was def not 30 seconds at all. it was less than a second.

i guess my question is, are the devs just gonna leave this system alone? is there a plan to improve it?

Heh, I was trying to get exactly that. I won on boots after couple of attempts, but after half an hour racing with bots on gloves I gave up - honestly, I have better things to spend my time on rather than standing near marketplace trying to beat bots.

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Pure myth

Look at 5'30

 

cyka blyat

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Uh... 30 seconds? Come on, I was trying to buy desired item and it disappears at most 2 seconds after appearing, normally 1 or even less (yeah, I even used timer with milliseconds to determine whether I'm so slow or others are incredibly fast)

 

I would also be in doubt like OP about the marketplace and the possibility to buy a popular item. It's NOT impossible (I won once), but is incredibly frustrating to play "Fast and Dead" game against scripts (I assume there are). My ping is < 20ms so that's not an issue. But if I spend more than a second on click+captcha - I can't buy an item, it's already sold. I do not believe ALL of players have such amazing reactions. I can assume 2,3,5 attempts to lose against such fast guys - but when it happens all the times - it makes me wonder - is it truly humans are doing that.

 

Heh, I was trying to get exactly that. I won on boots after couple of attempts, but after half an hour racing with bots on gloves I gave up - honestly, I have better things to spend my time on rather than standing near marketplace trying to beat bots.

End up just Spam talking to the NPC that sells the Armor -and if he Dosent like you /wave which I had to do.

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yeah thats totally true, it was so hard for me to get the grunil gloves :( stupid scripts 

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Can't edit my post, but altho there are scripts and probably bots, they are still rare and around very specific items, the vast majority of other missed sniping opportunities are simply other players being quicker.

 

Regards

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Can't edit my post, but altho there are scripts and probably bots, they are still rare and around very specific items, the vast majority of other missed sniping opportunities are simply other players being quicker.

 

Regards

Glad someone gets it.

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Pure myth

Look at 5'30

 

This was posted in a few threads before and yet we still ahve fanboys who think because the dude speaks russian means only russians do it LOL.

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End up just Spam talking to the NPC that sells the Armor -and if he Dosent like you /wave which I had to do.

where is the npc that sells grunil stuff btw? my highest toon is only 35 (i am playing around a lot at the lower levels)

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where is the npc that sells grunil stuff btw? my highest toon is only 35 (i am playing around a lot at the lower levels)

Mevo Muranan, the Armor vendor in Altinova.

 

Regards

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where is the npc that sells grunil stuff btw? my highest toon is only 35 (i am playing around a lot at the lower levels)

From the Blacksmith in Mediah  2:10 

 

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