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Content seriously need to come out sooner, and here's why

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@GM_Jouska

 

Edit: Let me clear things up a bit, because its obviously clear people keep thinking this was a "Oh I'm qutting" or "I rushed everything now complaining about content". Someone has my original post down there somewhere so whatever.

 

There is a good amount of content in this game. There isn't much to do.

These two things are VERY different because one tells me how many different things there are in the game but one tells me what I am actually doing. I believe what someone at ArenaNet once said: it's the minute to minute gameplay, what you are actually doing as a person playing the game.

 

Here's the list of things of what I think counts as content in the game CURRENTLY FOR NA/EU that in its own system is a feature of BDO and not every MMO. Feel free to disagree:

  • Gathering
  • Farming
  • Trading(NPC)
  • Trading(Market)
  • Horse Breeding/Training
  • Processing
  • Crafting through Houses/Worker Gathering
  • Fishing
  • Exploring
  • Quests/Contribution
  • Knowledge (Heavily gated by energy, by the way)
  • PvE: Grinding (for money, guild mission, leveling, boss scrolls). Building gear can also fall into this category but since it can be achieved by multiple means I don't want to include it.
  • PvP: Open World PK
  • PvP: Battlegrounds
  • PvP: Guild Disputes

We good? 

Now here's the list of things you can do mostly AFK or doing something else in game or not (To qualify, 80% of the time you should be pressing buttons or actively paying attention)

  • Farming(Waiting for plants to grow, which can take hours)
  • Trading(NPC)
  • Trading(Market)
  • Horse Breeding/Training
  • Processing
  • Crafting/Worker
  • Fishing(even with the minigame, most of the time spent is AFK or doing non-fishing related thing)

Now here's the list of things you can't do very often, don't happen very often, or require a lot of special circumstances generally making them uncommon to do over long periods of time:

  • Exploring: Once you explore almost everything (which can be done in a few days, I know because I have done it and I didn't even rush it) there is no more to explore.
  • Quests/Contribution: Most quests are basically the same thing anyway and can almost be in the same category as grinding.
  • Knowledge: Same thing. These are almost like achievements.
  • PvP: Open World PK: Karma prevents people from engaging in world PvP as a regular thing.
  • PvP: Guild Disputes: Requires two groups to wage war on each other.

So what's left?

  • Gathering, which is gated by energy to some degree. Even with this 50% of the time you are not doing anything but waiting, albeit in short periods. It builds up very quickly.
  • PvE: Grinding/Leveling
  • PvP: Battlegrounds
  • Fishing: If you are actively fishing with the minigame. With this you can't really AFK it but 90% of the time spent fishing is waiting and doing basically nothing fishing related. I include this here because technically it is something you do need to pay attention to.

 

Yea, there's content. Most of it is spent waiting though. Next time you log on to BDO try to catch yourself when you are simply sitting there at your computer waiting for a task to finish.

I don't want to compare BDO to other MMOs because BDO is not like other MMOs, but I think its important to point out that:

  • Some MMOs have active open world PvP
  • Many MMOs have dungeons/raids
  • Many MMOs have organized arena
  • Few MMOs have minigames that are there for the sake of the minigame and not a mechanic of something else (like BDO's fishing/harpooning)

Guess what Valencia brings? By the time Valenica rolls out we will have basically all those. Horse Racing. Open world PvP that is viable. Dungeons. 3v3 Arena.

In fact, people who really know what Valencia brings shouldn't even be complaining because the amount of content additions (such as new things to craft and achieve) are actually VERY MINIMAL. We get a higher level cap, some few new items to make, but that's pretty much it. It's not an expansion's worth of things to take in but rather small additions to the game.

 

People who complain about an equalized arena: you do not matter to the game. End of story. It's an instanced based thing that has no impact on the outside world of arena where people test ONLY skill against skill in an organized, uninterrupted setting. In every single MMO in existence where there is an equalized arena is often times one of the most popular aspect of the game, period. It does not ruin MMOs, it vastly improves it. It is a mode where people can invest ALL of their time into and play only for arena. That is how good it is.

3v3 Arena will come, because it already has to KR some time ago. Why do you think the arena in Altinova is closed off, yet if you manage to get inside it you can PvP? That arena is the 3v3 arena for KR.

 

Do I not care about the content of the game? Of course I do. I do everything the game has to offer, and it has a lot. The issue is that I can AFK 70% of the game, do dailies and then do whatever. I don't play casually, and I don't play hardcore. There is not enough to do, and I feel that Valencia and other content updates will turn that 70% AFK into 30%, even though its the same amount of stuff to do, if not more, because while I could have been AFKing I could have been doing Arenas, open world PvP, etc etc. Even now, I am  AFKing most of my activities. I accomplish cooking, alchemy, horse training/breeding, farming, fishing, gathering(through workers), and crafting as I sit here re-writing this thread, checking for a few seconds every 10-30 minutes or so.

 

See all those people who said "goodbye"? They didn't read. It was a hypothetical situation.

 

Whether or not these things should come sooner or not is my opinion, and I believe that until those things do come out the game is basically incomplete.

And you know what, for all that disagreeing you guys sure are ironic. So much about sandbox and finding your own path to do things, but are against more options? lmao.

 

I think we can all agree on one thing though: the new class delay for ninja/kunoichi.

There is literally almost no reason to delay it that long. I can wait 2-3 weeks more for ninja to come (largely thanks to blader) but not a month, and here is where everything comes together.

This is a class I want to main. I barely played it in JP, thus get that notion out of your heads assuming I have been playing KR before all this because now you are making an ass out of you and me. I have my reasons to main this class, and I'm sure you have reasons to main yours.

I can't see any good reason to delay this class other than to space content updates which, honestly, is a terrible idea since its ONLY a class. Content stays the same, class lets you go about it differently.

Is it because of Balance? Balances have basically been done already, if there were any. It's not like they have to review it, balance it from scratch, and then implement it. I don't think Ninja/Kunoichi was even touched to begin with.

Localization/Translation? Also a joke. This is something that can literally be done in a day easily. Someone from the community could probably do it.

There are obviously a lot more things that need to be done when implementing a new class. The new weapons (off-hand for ninja), the workshops, etc. Gotta translate though too (most of which is basically copy and paste though...). Classes don't get localized voices, so throw that out.

I'm just not seeing it. Feels like they are just delaying it for the sake of delaying it. Sigh.

If Ninja doesn't come out for another month, that's another month of me basically not doing much with the game. Leveling and grinding kind of pointless and not fun. PvP with a class you barely enjoy ain't exactly exciting either. That leaves almost nothing to do, really, because the rest is essentially AFK.

 

 

I'm a bit curious because EVERYONE fails to mention: even in my old post, I mentioned the things you basically do AFK. So what exactly is there to do other than that I haven't listed yet, because there is clearly so much to do?

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Goodbye my friend

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Yeah seeya mate.

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I know how you feel. Even though my main character is a Ranger this still bother me. Like what if one of the future classes that's not out yet I end up wanting to main instead? All this time would have been for NOTHING. All my life skill and battle levels will be gone. especially if I want to unlock my mains name, i would have to delete them and remake them as a new class, losing everythIng I have worked on thus far.

 

I think we need Class change tickets, even if they were in the cash shop it be worth it to me. 

It is also keeping me from buying cash costumes/outfits, since those are not only character bound, but Class locked (even if it is available for other classes). Another cash grab I am sure, they want me to buy costumes for my Ranger, then delete her, those costumes be useless/gone and have to repurchase everything for her new class. what they don't realise is this is just preventing me (and probably many others) from buying anything at all.

It's like they just want us to wait and not play, or throw money away and waste time on something that might end up wiped.:(

 

There has to be a solution...

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I disagree i dont want new content to come any faster, i would prefer it a bit slower tbh and im hc player.

But i also agree that all classes released in korea should be released asap eu/na to let all people play what they want and not fall more behind.

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blah blah

Youre the type that will say the same thing 2 weeks after valencia. If you are bored now, you will be bored with more content. There's tons of stuff to do in this game, just gotta think outside the box.

 

Only thing i agree with is Ninja/kunoichi need to come out sooner than later. Not having your main in a game like this sucks.

 

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Don't play other countries versions of games then come on here and dictate how and when updates should come.

You want all that? Go back to RU/KR whatever the hell version you played that you weren't supposed to.

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New game?

Woah seriously? You're kidding right? You mean those half-assed MMORPGs they're chugging out?

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Youre the type that will say the same thing 2 weeks after valencia. If you are bored now, you will be bored with more content. There's tons of stuff to do in this game, just gotta think outside the box.

If you can't list any examples then I highly doubt your words.

Valencia introduces viable open world PvP due to karma.

New game?

Woah seriously? You're kidding right? You mean those half-assed MMORPGs they're chugging out?

(Lineage Eternal is excempted)

Overwatch is the main contender.

 

Not responding to any more forum-goers, I'm trying to get the attention of someone important.

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You know your game doesnt have a sandbox mmo community when they tell everyone they can to leave and think the game will turn out better for it.

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Only thing i agree with is Ninja/kunoichi need to come out sooner than later. Not having your main in a game like this sucks.

you haven't heard?

ninja/kunoichi aren't going to be released in EU/NA. daum said that they don't agree with stealth mechanics.

instead we're getting those little girls with shields. :x

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Not responding to any more forum-goers, I'm trying to get the attention of someone important.

@GM_Jouska

 

 you will be waiting a while.

 

 

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You mean an MMORPG that hasn't been out for 10 years already and just got ported over to the West doesn't have as much readily available content as a 10 year old MMORPG?

Shocker.

Be realistic, and patient. Enjoy the game as it is, there is more than enough to do, more than enough PvP (no we do not need 'equalized' e-sports PvP, stop that), and plenty to do in preperation for your incoming main class, you should probably have a bunch of alts anyway in the game. Level horses, grind money, enhance gear, PvP, etc.

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40 days after start and you want full game content from kr? you are serious or joking? 

you're a forum mod plz stop posting

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you haven't heard?

ninja/kunoichi aren't going to be released in EU/NA. daum said that they don't agree with stealth mechanics.

instead we're getting those little girls with shields. :x

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"There isnt much to do" lol mental. see ya buddy thanks for opening up a farming spot

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I dunno what to say. :-\ Any gaming time I spend every week, which is a pretty extensive amount of time, since this game has released has been spent right here in BDO. I play an average of 3-4 hours a day on weekdays and at least 6 a day on weekends, and despite this I am slowly building a backlog of things I want to do in game but don't have enough time to. I have enough crap queued up on my "do want to knock this out" list that I will probably need another 3-4 months just to clear out what is currently on there. And that's with me basically skipping a ton of quests and earmarking them as "do later". 

This is a sandbox game; I have been playing these since the late 90s. The idea is that you find and make your own fun, and can't expect much help from the game in that regard. I hate that this genre isn't for everyone, but sometimes that's just how it goes.

I hope you eventually find something enjoyable to do in BDO, but if not... good luck in whatever game you do play!

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iam prepared myself for Ninja/Kunoichi with other character classes

 

i have two full gear sets +15 and a s***load of Blackstones (160 Weapon and 200 Armor) and it grows each day

Tree Belt at +3, witch earring +3 x2 mark of shadow +2 x2 also 20 Scrolls for ExP Boost and much Buffood in Stock

so im ready for the Leveling Phase at release of Ninja 

 

im bored now...maybe i will skip some days and wait until mid/end May until i play again

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Just make your own content. It's a pretty big world.

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40 days after start and you want full game content from kr? you are serious or joking? 

There are some key features definitely missing to the point of saying yes this doesn't exactly qualify too well as a full release game. It would help if it were actually a translated game instead of a modified game. The lack of forethought on some key changes is unsettling and definitely kills the hype for this game though I'm hoping semi optimistically that they learn from their mistakes and press forward.

We got hyped for BDO, not "BDO : Censored Edition" with just as many gold sellers and bots as the prior just minus proper community interaction. Again semi optimistically hoping, but the "semi" comes from the current track record.

To answer your point a lot of people are expecting a lot more content because they don't understand the process of developing a game, but when it's brought into the context of a translation job (as BDO was advertised) it's assumed we will have at least nearly equal content. Again the problem is it's a modified game that is being restructured for an audience that is yet to play the game. AKA stereotypical 'Western MMO Players' who for some odd reason are very hesitant to even buy into BDO. Till this game gets out of the 'Fixing Phase' for their start up issues it's commonly still being referred to as just another early access title.

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We got a major content update a month after launch and we have 2 classes incoming next week.

You have got to be fvcking kidding me.

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@GM_Jouska

 

Most of the time I spend in game is AFK.

Life skills, horse training, is mostly spent waiting. It's not a very active thing.

Exploration and quests aren't exactly things that can occupy someone for long and can be finished within a few days.

That pretty much leaves grinding and leveling. For people like me who want to main Ninja/Kunoichi leveling is kind of pointless since our mains technically remain at level ZERO.

PvP is very limited.

 

You know, so much people boast about how much content this game has yet when they give me their extensive list of things to do half of it ends up being part of the same thing and most of it is basically done AFK or every once in a while.

 

There really isn't much to do.

 

Most of the actual fun from the game comes from PvP. While battlegrounds is a good filler it is by no means a substitute.

 

We really need these things ASAP:

1) Equalized Arena PvP

2) Ninja/Kunoichi

3) Valencia

4) Node Wars

 

And making us wait for it is not a good idea. This isn't a matter of patience of but interest.

There are new games coming out, I'm getting increasingly bored of waiting for stuff in BDO and taking a break for a month basically means I should forget about being competitive at all so why even return. The only thing really keeping me here right now is that there isn't anything really better but that may change within a month and when it does...

so you are +15 ultimate gear, +15 liverto pri or duo accessories already? Color me impressed!!! If not then guess there's more content you need to complete first. Tired of hearing this, you want it all right away only to be here 3 months from all that with the same complaint. Just find a new game 

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equalized arena 

lmao 

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1) ----- off

2) no

3) no

4) yes. this should have been out before mediah and before they addressed people -----ing about blader. only reason i can see why theyved held off putting it out is because of the rampant server issues. if this doesnt come out on 20th with blader, i'll be taking a hiatus from the game until it comes out

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I personally don't see any problem getting all the content KR has. It's not like they aren't developing more content so it's not the end if we get it all.

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