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Keep Korean names for Blader & Plum (Musa & Maehwa)


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I think it would be much more lore-accurate (and interesting) if we kept the names Musa and Maehwa for Blader and Plum, respectively.  This is especially considering that Musa and Maehwa come from the region known as the "Far East" (Ninja, Kunoichi, and Tamer also come from this area).  I suggest this because "Blader" sounds somewhat awkward to many, and "Ronin"/"Samurai" (as I've seen him called) are inaccurate considering both classes were based more on Korean swordsmanship.  I would suggest this for Tamer as well, but I don't know quite what her intended name is, or if it isn't just a catchall rather than something specific.

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(As an aside: It would be great to see the "Far East" some day!)

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I think it would be much more lore-accurate (and interesting) if we kept the names Musa and Maehwa for Blader and Plum, respectively.  This is especially considering that Musa and Maehwa come from the region known as the "Far East" (Ninja, Kunoichi, and Tamer also come from this area).  I suggest this because "Blader" sounds somewhat awkward to many, and "Ronin"/"Samurai" (as I've seen him called) are inaccurate considering both classes were based more on Korean swordsmanship.  I would suggest this for Tamer as well, but I don't know quite what her intended name is, or if it isn't just a catchall rather than something specific.

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(As an aside: It would be great to see the "Far East" some day!)

I agree, Blader and Plum just sound...a little too generic and off. What exactly is a Plum in the context of a class name? Googling Plum's definition, none of these make sense: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plum , Are they just...extremely valuable and wanted women? That seems just...off for a name. IMO.

And Blader is -just- as bad if not worse because...Yeah, I get why it's named Blader, it's just super generic and boring. It's like naming it Blademaster or something. Just meh.

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I agree, Blader and Plum just sound...a little too generic and off. What exactly is a Plum in the context of a class name? Googling Plum's definition, none of these make sense: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plum , Are they just...extremely valuable and wanted women? That seems just...off for a name. IMO.

And Blader is -just- as bad if not worse because...Yeah, I get why it's named Blader, it's just super generic and boring. It's like naming it Blademaster or something. Just meh.

Yeah, Blader's even weirder since it's not even a real word.  It's like naming the Warrior "Sworder" or the Ranger "Bower".  :S

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+1, especially the fact that they are supposed to be Korean warriors. I think RUS named Blader as Ronin but can't be 100% sure because of google translate ;p I think it's important to retain the original idea of the devs

Tamer/Beast Master's name in Korea is 금수랑 and I don't have a clue on how you read it, could read Korean a bit long ago.

And yup, seeing the Far East sounds awesome.

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+1, especially the fact that they are supposed to be Korean warriors. I think RUS named Blader as Ronin but can't be 100% sure because of google translate ;p I think it's important to retain the original idea of the devs

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nah it's Musa in RU 

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Not only are they more lore accurate but they sound ridiculously better, too. I hope they consider this.

As for Tamer, I personally think Beast Master would do just fine. Maybe Summoner, even, though I'd rather they save that for a more magic-based pet class if they ever make one.

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nah it's Musa in RU 

It's Musa in the client because of the patch we're using but see here https://gamenet.ru/games/blackdesert/post/15UCHV/

If you google translate it's Ronin or something (Ронина)

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It's Musa in the client because of the patch we're using but see here https://gamenet.ru/games/blackdesert/post/15UCHV/

If you google translate it's Ronin or something (Ронина)

oh okay I see

I thought the english patch was just roughly translating the Russian hence Musa

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oh okay I see

I thought the english patch was just roughly translating the Russian hence Musa

Nah, if we were translating Russian directly we'd be seeing things like the Shai called something else and Florin called "The Shire".  Mithrandir was also in there for a while before it got changed.

The major Russian lore changes are pretty cringey.

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I agree, Blader and Plum just sound...a little too generic and off. What exactly is a Plum in the context of a class name? Googling Plum's definition, none of these make sense: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plum , Are they just...extremely valuable and wanted women? That seems just...off for a name. IMO.

And Blader is -just- as bad if not worse because...Yeah, I get why it's named Blader, it's just super generic and boring. It's like naming it Blademaster or something. Just meh.

Her name comes from some of her combos I think. Petals of the plum tree fly along with her slashes and I guess the name is a reference to that.

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Her name comes from some of her combos I think. Petals of the plum tree fly along with her slashes and I guess the name is a reference to that.
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Or are the names of the attacks based from her name? See what I did there? haha

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Plum and Blader do indeed sound wierd

But I just can't say Kunoichi without error xD We don't use the combination "oichi" so how do we speak that correctly?

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Plum and Blader do indeed sound wierd

But I just can't say Kunoichi without error xD We don't use "oichi" so how does that sound correct?

Kunoichi is an actual title that's used for female ninja though, more modernly. So it makes sense that that's her class name atleast in comparison to Plum or Blader which are both just entirely made up for whatever reason. o.0

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I think a more regionally appropriate name for this release would be fine. The literal name for the classes in the Korean client is "blader" and "plum". Go translate it from the Korean site if you'd like. Actually they even reference the female class as "f.blader" at various points. 

They do need a better name. I'm just not sold on your choice.. it's equally as strange as the other two options presented in this thread. At least to me. 

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I think a more regionally appropriate name for this release would be fine. The literal name for the classes in the Korean client is "blader" and "plum". Go translate it from the Korean site if you'd like. Actually they even reference the female class as "f.blader" at various points. 

They do need a better name. I'm just not sold on your choice.. it's equally as strange as the other two options presented in this thread. At least to me. 

The problem is, most people look at Blader and assume "Samurai" but they're Korean based and that's Japanese. So you need to think a generic name in order to avoid confusion and cultural mistakes. Hence...Blader. But Blader still isn't a word and Plum still has zero definition as to why a female based swords-woman is called such a thing.

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I think a more regionally appropriate name for this release would be fine. The literal name for the classes in the Korean client is "blader" and "plum". Go translate it from the Korean site if you'd like. Actually they even reference the female class as "f.blader" at various points. 

They do need a better name. I'm just not sold on your choice.. it's equally as strange as the other two options presented in this thread. At least to me. 

Musa means "Warrior", though.  I'm not saying it doesn't mean "Blader" literally 'cause it very well might, but it's just a language variant of saying the equivalent of "Swordsman".  I'm really not sure about the connotation/connection to "Maehwa", as "Plum", but Musa fits and is just another word for "Warrior" in a different language and fits the culture they're inspired by, so that's why I presented it.

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And for context, in the Korean game the classes are called by their English names.  Sorceress, for example, in KR is the phonetic spelling of "Sorcerer".  Literally the sounds "Soseoleo", which in Korean sounds exactly like "Sorcerer".

Warrior is "Wolieo" which with the pronunciation sounds exactly like "Warrior".  Ranger is "leinjeo", so-on and so-forth.  You can hear how the pronunciation works.  The same goes for all of the classes, except for Tamer, Musa, and Maehwa.

I cannot begin to tell you what Tamer's means because it translates to "geumsulang" which is why I hit a brick wall with that one, however in Chinese the word for beastmaster is "De shòuwáng" so maybe it's related to that since her skills use Chinese?  But in Korean Beastmaster is "yasu wang", so I'm guessing it's more close to the Korean definition.  Still, no idea.  Could be that it's something that a Korean player would understand more.  But Musa follows the same principle as all of the others.  It's named a specific way, likely as it would be referred to in-universe.  I'm assuming Maehwa is the same way.  What I'm saying is that if you asked a "Blader" character "What do you call your profession back home?", he'd probably say Musa, same for Maehwa and what she does/is.

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Plum still has zero definition as to why a female based swords-woman is called such a thing.

I dug into the concept a bit, and I'm wondering if it's related to a female version of Hwarang?  Korea seems to have a history of "beautiful warriors" being associated with flowers, so it might make sense from the definition of her being referred to as a "Plum Flower" warrior.

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According to the Samguk Sagi and Samguk Yusa, two bands of females called Wonhwa (원화, 源花, "original flowers") preceded the Hwarang.

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I dug into the concept a bit, and I'm wondering if it's related to a female version of Hwarang?  Korea seems to have a history of "beautiful warriors" being associated with flowers, so it might make sense from the definition of her being referred to as a "Plum Flower" warrior.

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There is a korean fairytale about a warriorlady/princess Born from a plumtree... I'm pretty sure it's from this fairytale..

Maehwa simply means plum

Plum is a sweet fruit and Young females sometimes are called "sweet as a plum" aswell in Korea.. (rather old dynasties) this could be the 2nd origin

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I dug into the concept a bit, and I'm wondering if it's related to a female version of Hwarang?  Korea seems to have a history of "beautiful warriors" being associated with flowers, so it might make sense from the definition of her being referred to as a "Plum Flower" warrior.

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Hm...Interesting. I still think they could do better then Plum, there's better flowers out there surely. Plum just still seems so off unless you really dig into it's meaning and at that point...Just leave what it is. haha "Foreign sounding class name" verse "Class name with a foreign and pretty hidden context but spelled out in english."

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There is a korean fairytale about a warriorlady/princess Born from a plumtree... I'm pretty sure it's from this fairytale..

Maehwa simply means plum

Plum is a sweet fruit and Young females sometimes are called "sweet as a plum" aswell in Korea.. (rather old dynasties) this could be the 2nd origin

I'm not finding anything on it, but it could just not be online or something?  Searching "매화" only brings up the blossoms/branches, whereas if you search "자두" you get the actual fruits.  So there's clearly a different connotation between the words, I just don't know what it is.  :S

Hm...Interesting. I still think they could do better then Plum, there's better flowers out there surely. Plum just still seems so off unless you really dig into it's meaning and at that point...Just leave what it is. haha "Foreign sounding class name" verse "Class name with a foreign and pretty hidden context but spelled out in english."

Yeah, it seems pretty esoteric/unknowable from the perspective of a Western audience.  I don't really mind that too much though, but I'm sure it'd bug other people.  They could just as easily call her something like "Flower Warrior/Knight" or "Blossom Warrior/Knight" or something.

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I'm not finding anything on it, but it could just not be online or something?  Searching "매화" only brings up the blossoms/branches, whereas if you search "자두" you get the actual fruits.  So there's clearly a different connotation between the words, I just don't know what it is.  :S

Yeah, it seems pretty esoteric/unknowable from the perspective of a Western audience.  I don't really mind that too much though, but I'm sure it'd bug other people.  They could just as easily call her something like "Flower Warrior/Knight" or "Blossom Warrior/Knight" or something.

End of the day, it's not a big deal at all. I just really wish Blader didn't have that generic of a name, Plum is easier to understand now that it has some explaination. Blader still just sounds so meh to me.

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End of the day, it's not a big deal at all. I just really wish Blader didn't have that generic of a name, Plum is easier to understand now that it has some explaination. Blader still just sounds so meh to me.

Probably about 40% of the people I've introduced to the game have gone "Bladder?" as a joke.  It just sounds so awkward.  :S  But yeah, I can handle Plum.

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I'd rather we actually secure an implementation timetable for them first.

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I'm not finding anything on it, but it could just not be online or something?  Searching "매화" only brings up the blossoms/branches, whereas if you search "자두" you get the actual fruits.  So there's clearly a different connotation between the words, I just don't know what it is.  :S

Yeah, it seems pretty esoteric/unknowable from the perspective of a Western audience.  I don't really mind that too much though, but I'm sure it'd bug other people.  They could just as easily call her something like "Flower Warrior/Knight" or "Blossom Warrior/Knight" or something.

probably not online.. have it in one or two korean fairytalebooks, many fairytales also aren't even translated into any other language but stayed korean only.. havn't seen an english one so far for this specific though.

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