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How could this happen? [Berserker vs Ranger]

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I was hunting ogres and a ranger reduced its HP by half in one attack xD

10/10 troll. 

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As we are -----ing noobs!

 There fixed it for ya :).That explains all.

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Do anyone know if Berserker's awakening weapon will change this, or should I switch to a competent class ASAP?

This submissive thought frustrate me. Its like if we couldn't have any hope. Do anyone know if our shitness will change some day?

I made full grunil instead of grunil+taritas having a possible rerrol after lvl55 in mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybqg8qg6aYk

p.s. Equally geared/skilled Berserker will destroy Ranger ( especially pre +20 )

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I was hunting ogres and a ranger reduced its HP by half in one attack xD

Dude he was using the shotgun macro wich makes it spamming that skill in one second and it seems that he does only one shoot but he does it 5x times , i have a guildie that can do it 4x times without a macro but not that fast , is not one single attack there are 5x or more done in a second 

 

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Dude he was using the shotgun macro wich makes it spamming that skill in one second and it seems that he does only one shoot but he does it 5x times , i have a guildie that can do it 4x times without a macro but not that fast , is not one single attack there are 5x or more done in a second 

 

He could be using packet exploit 

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He could be using packet exploit 

no packet exploit this is a common thing used by allot of rangers, try doing pvp against Noname from harmony and you will see first hand  he abuses that macro allot, if u get him by surprise you can melt him away easy even if he's 56 but if he sees you he insta spamms that shotgun macro. probably next time ill meet him in open world will record and make an official exploit report so ppl like him dont abuse that stuff anymore

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no packet exploit this is a common thing used by allot of rangers, try doing pvp against Noname from harmony and you will see first hand  he abuses that macro allot, if u get him by surprise you can melt him away easy even if he's 56 but if he sees you he insta spamms that shotgun macro. probably next time ill meet him in open world will record and make an official exploit report so ppl like him dont abuse that stuff anymore

Always thought he was a sorc. It would seem he has been lying to us.
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On the bright side, you don't need to record your next meeting as he's a streamer, you can just go to his past broadcasts and grab your evidence right from the source!! 

Go get him!

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Hey boys i am that guy called NoName and no i am sorceress my friend. :D

And if you are interested in me check me out at : www.twitch.tv/chambadude, appreciate it :).

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Nice clickbait double forum account boi.

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Something is wrong with zerker DP not mitigating certain types of damage. That's the problem I believe.

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Its the fact that 187AP at that stage in the game isnt really much when most folks are running around with 240+AP. Hes AP isnt really going to chuck peoples HP as someone who probably has 240+ like that ranger. At the end of the day Giant isnt a mad deeps class hes a group class with insane utility.

Heres a vid of some current 1v1 he did last night.

 

 

I was thinking this ranger's damage seemed low.  I also have 190+ DP and a geared ranger does much more damage to me than what you see in that movie.  Read the description of the movie:

"keep in mind hes only at 101 AP/154 DP in these fights (im at 109/193)"

That said, it also kind of sucks that berserker needs level 55 to get the good version of BWS, which is pretty much necessary to win that fight.  Without BWS he'd probably be losing most of those fights even though he outgears the ranger considerably.  Keep that in mind when you see a berserker that is under 55 complaining about losing to a ranger.

 

 

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I was thinking this ranger's damage seemed low.  I also have 190+ DP and a geared ranger does much more damage to me than what you see in that movie.  Read the description of the movie:

"keep in mind hes only at 101 AP/154 DP in these fights (im at 109/193)"

That said, it also kind of sucks that berserker needs level 55 to get the good version of BWS, which is pretty much necessary to win that fight.  Without BWS he'd probably be losing most of those fights even though he outgears the ranger considerably.  Keep that in mind when you see a berserker that is under 55 complaining about losing to a ranger.

 

 

Jamrock has been shitting on rangers since KR. Yes the ranger ap was low but you also see Jam NEVER grabed him once? Thats the main way to kill rangers. I watch him duel alot of players and rangers in particular hes grab chain does at least 60-70 percent of the ranger hp. Im not saying a ranger can never beat giants because I do it all the time but a GOOD giant will not lose to a ranger. Between lava pierce, shake off and stomp stuns the giant will get to you and kill you.

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"Jam NEVER grabed him once?"

He was mostly killing him with stomp and BWS. He did try to grab him a few times early but got quite a few desyncs and RNG IMMUNES. He also grabbed air a few times. He does land some full grab chains later which kills the ranger outright. Honestly though, grabs are just not that reliable. That is why he was using BWS into stomps mainly.

In the arena, anyone that knows they will be fighting a giant would be smart to use a grapple resist neck. The necks are cheap and you could swap them out depending on what you are fighting. Between that and desyncs the chance of doing 4 chained grabs isn't that good.

"but a GOOD giant will not lose to a ranger"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLnnKQEfwso

Are you saying he is not good or are you saying he is good. I'm getting confused.

You want to know what doesn't lie?  Market prices.  I haven't logged in a few days, would you mind telling me what the low/high is on Yuria bows and Yuria axes?

And then try to explain why it's that way if berserkers are owning rangers all over the place.

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"Jam NEVER grabed him once?"

He was mostly killing him with stomp and BWS. He did try to grab him a few times early but got quite a few desyncs and RNG IMMUNES. He also grabbed air a few times. He does land some full grab chains later which kills the ranger outright. Honestly though, grabs are just not that reliable. That is why he was using BWS into stomps mainly.

In the arena, anyone that knows they will be fighting a giant would be smart to use a grapple resist neck. The necks are cheap and you could swap them out depending on what you are fighting. Between that and desyncs the chance of doing 4 chained grabs isn't that good.

"but a GOOD giant will not lose to a ranger"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLnnKQEfwso

Are you saying he is not good or are you saying he is good. I'm getting confused.

You want to know what doesn't lie?  Market prices.  I haven't logged in a few days, would you mind telling me what the low/high is on Yuria bows and Yuria axes?

And then try to explain why it's that way if berserkers are owning rangers all over the place.

So much wrong with this post. You link a vid of a ranger who vastly outgears Jam in a pvp situation where having a +18 weapons lets you hit like a truck. I said unless the ranger out gears the giants the giant should win. Next thing you will do is link the video of the ranger deleting the giant who has all that dp lol.

Also what the heck does the prices of weapons have to do with ANYTHING hahaha? A weapon is cheap so that class MUST lose to alot of rangers or hell everyone with that logic.

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Your something special lol. Just so you know a +15 yuria axe and +15 yuria bow both are going for the same price here on edan not to mention both of there +15 liverto are going for the same price also. Guess this kinda ruins w/e point you was trying to make :(

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Your something special lol. Just so you know a +15 yuria axe and +15 yuria bow both are going for the same price here on edan not to mention both of there +15 liverto are going for the same price also. Guess this kinda ruins w/e point you was trying to make :(

No, it just means you don't understand supply and demand and how the marketplace works.  In order for an item to settle into a price determined by it's demand enough of that item would have to have been sold on the market.  When an item first goes up it is assigned a value by the game.  The +15 weapons account for the black stones that have been invested into them which is why the game assigns them a high default value. 

As an example, there is a +15 green KREA staff on the market right now at 27 million.  According to history, there have only been four traded on the server.  It's low price is higher than the low price on +15 blue Yuria axes.  Do you seriously think that there is more demand for the +15 Krea staff than the +15 Yuria axe?  No?  Okay, then let's move on to the next point.

Let's look at the history of +15 blue Yuria longbows compared to +15 blue Yuria axes.  According to history, there have been 216 blue longbows traded and only 64 blue axes traded.  That is not enough for the item to reach a price determined by it's demand.  That is why I was using the base weapons because they have been sold enough for those to reach their equilibrium price.  That is, the price determined by their demand. 

There have been 41,458 base Yuria longbows traded and 28,341 base Yuria axes traded.  That is more than enough for those items to reflect their demand.  Here are the lows on all of the weapons:

Yuria Amulet   214K

Yuria Blade  212K

Yuria staff   193K

Yuria longbow  173K

Yuria Shortsword  144K

Yuria Longsword  81K

Yuria Axe  45K

The blade is high at the moment since the Musa/Maehwa are new and the weapons are in demand.  A few weeks ago the axes were 70K+.  What this means is that a lot of people have stopped playing warrior and berserker and moved on to other classes and people are not rerolling to play warriors and berserkers.  The price of the weapons is tied directly to the demand of the weapon.  The demand of the weapon is low since not many people are not playing that class.  People do not play a class when it is not performing well relative to other stronger classes.  That is nature of MMO players.

 

 

 

 

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No, it just means you don't understand supply and demand and how the marketplace works.  In order for an item to settle into a price determined by it's demand enough of that item would have to have been sold on the market.  When an item first goes up it is assigned a value by the game.  The +15 weapons account for the black stones that have been invested into them which is why the game assigns them a high default value. 

As an example, there is a +15 green KREA staff on the market right now at 27 million.  According to history, there have only been four traded on the server.  It's low price is higher than the low price on +15 blue Yuria axes.  Do you seriously think that there is more demand for the +15 Krea staff than the +15 Yuria axe?  No?  Okay, then let's move on to the next point.

Let's look at the history of +15 blue Yuria longbows compared to +15 blue Yuria axes.  According to history, there have been 216 blue longbows traded and only 64 blue axes traded.  That is not enough for the item to reach a price determined by it's demand.  That is why I was using the base weapons because they have been sold enough for those to reach their equilibrium price.  That is, the price determined by their demand. 

There have been 41,458 base Yuria longbows traded and 28,341 base Yuria axes traded.  That is more than enough for those items to reflect their demand.  Here are the lows on all of the weapons:

Yuria Amulet   214K

Yuria Blade  212K

Yuria staff   193K

Yuria longbow  173K

Yuria Shortsword  144K

Yuria Longsword  81K

Yuria Axe  45K

The blade is high at the moment since the Musa/Maehwa are new and the weapons are in demand.  A few weeks ago the axes were 70K+.  What this means is that a lot of people have stopped playing warrior and berserker and moved on to other classes and people are not rerolling to play warriors and berserkers.  The price of the weapons is tied directly to the demand of the weapon.  The demand of the weapon is low since not many people are not playing that class.  People do not play a class when it is not performing well relative to other stronger classes.  That is nature of MMO players.

 

 

 

 

LoL? 

There are a lot of reasons people might not be playing Berserker, aside from the "OPness" of a class. Personally, I would never play it because of the character. 

Plus it's not like it's so easy to drop a class a reroll to another one. Also, those rerolling Ranger are doing it because of world bosses. Ranger was the class with the highest playerbase at launch, and those players were mostly PvErs, who, being the majority, also determine the high demand of Yuria Longbows. 

Really, taking into account market prices to determine the strength of a class, especially in game such as this (with a heterogeneous playerbase), is plain wrong.

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Yep berserkers are pretty rare but that's because of the class itself and not the power of the class like the person above said.
The class simply doesn't appeal at all to a lot of people. To me personally the character looks ugly and I don't like the fighting style at all.
Just my impression but I think that's quite a common opinion which leads to few people playing the class.

I didn't even think about that point above but it's also true a LOT of people in my guild rerolled a ranger or witch as an alt account to use for field bosses so their main doesn't lose exp. 

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LoL? 

There are a lot of reasons people might not be playing Berserker, aside from the "OPness" of a class. Personally, I would never play it because of the character. 

Plus it's not like it's so easy to drop a class a reroll to another one. Also, those rerolling Ranger are doing it because of world bosses. Ranger was the class with the highest playerbase at launch, and those players were mostly PvErs, who, being the majority, also determine the high demand of Yuria Longbows. 

Really, taking into account market prices to determine the strength of a class, especially in game such as this (with a heterogeneous playerbase), is plain wrong.

But amazingly enough, the three classes that are considered the weakest also have the lowest demand for their weapons.  What an amazing coincidence.  People flock to what is perceived to the strongest because a vast majority of people will take the path of least resistance.  Delude yourself all you want, but that won't change.

Yep berserkers are pretty rare but that's because of the class itself and not the power of the class like the person above said.
The class simply doesn't appeal at all to a lot of people. To me personally the character looks ugly and I don't like the fighting style at all.
Just my impression but I think that's quite a common opinion which leads to few people playing the class.

I didn't even think about that point above but it's also true a LOT of people in my guild rerolled a ranger or witch as an alt account to use for field bosses so their main doesn't lose exp. 

OH, because you don't like melee based classes that means hardly anybody does.  Got it.  The bersker is a high risk/low reward class in both open world PvP and end game PvE.  That is why it doesn't appeal to a lot of people. 

 

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But amazingly enough, the three classes that are considered the weakest also have the lowest demand for their weapons.  What an amazing coincidence.  People flock to what is perceived to the strongest because a vast majority of people will take the path of least resistance.  Delude yourself all you want, but that won't change.

That are "considered" the weakest at what? And by whom? Casual lvl 52 with no actual experience of either top level play or gear?

Solo PvE? Zerk, Warrior, Valkyrie?
Arena PvP? Blader, Ranger, Witch?

Large scale PvP? Tamer, Blader, Sorc? 

OH, because you don't like melee based classes that means hardly anybody does.  Got it.  The bersker is a high risk/low reward class in both open world PvP and end game PvE.  That is why it doesn't appeal to a lot of people. 

No, I like both assassin type melee and tanky warrior/valk style classes. My main was actually Valk until CBT2.
I don't like the looks, animations or style of the zerk and neither do MOST other people I've talked to. Doesn't mean nobody does but it does mean it won't be a popular class.

Zerk is one of the top 3 most "powerful" and important siege classes and considered one of the strongest in both 1v1 and PvE after awakening. I still have 0 interest in it. 

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Non-casuals (your term) don't make decisions on what class to play because they are ugly.  Next you will be telling me that people buy the tree suit because they like the way it looks

Also, the price on the axe was over 100K at one poiht.  What happened there?  A bunch of people who were playing berserker just all of the sudden one day decided they didn't want to play it anymore because it was ugly?  The amount of delusion and rationalization here is pretty impressive.

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Non-casuals (your term) don't make decisions on what class to play because of what they look like.  Next you will be telling me that people buy the tree suit because they like the way it looks

Also, the price on the axe was over 100K at one poiht.  What happened there?  A bunch of people who were playing berserker just all of the sudden one day decided they didn't want to play it anymore because it was ugly?  The amount of delusion and rationalization here is pretty impressive.

Some definitely do. For me it's multi-purpose. I like the looks a lot more than the conqueror costume so I only wear the conq costume when actually grinding.
Normally I wear the tree costume with conq daggers so my name isn't hidden. It's definitely useful for other purposes though but has nothing to do with this discussion.

Axes were over 100k at one point... okay? what's your point? All of them were the same price initially since that's set by the game and only adjusts over time. Yuria axes also drop a lot more than anything else at rhutum.
But this has nothing to do with anything either as we already concluded zerk isn't a popular class so... what was your point? 


 

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LoL? 

There are a lot of reasons people might not be playing Berserker, aside from the "OPness" of a class. Personally, I would never play it because of the character. 

Plus it's not like it's so easy to drop a class a reroll to another one. Also, those rerolling Ranger are doing it because of world bosses. Ranger was the class with the highest playerbase at launch, and those players were mostly PvErs, who, being the majority, also determine the high demand of Yuria Longbows. 

Really, taking into account market prices to determine the strength of a class, especially in game such as this (with a heterogeneous playerbase), is plain wrong.

Nop, classes like berserkers, tamer, valk and warrior became rare and from day to day it became worse. Next in a row are blader and plum - right now they are just on hype. It is obvious completely broken game balance is first reason why ppl make reroll.

Next stage of this move will be quick the game - because not everybody do like broken, boring and OP range classes.

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Zerks are the most shit on class in this game... plain and simple. I dont wanna hear a -----ing ranger or any other god damn class for that matter saying otherwise. You level one up, you pvp on one, you do world boss fights on one... Then you tell me otherwise.

 

Level 55 Berserker Full +15 Gear, +15 Kzarka 

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