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Kzarka weapon +15 for 150Mk

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what do u think about one Kzarka weapon +15 for 150Mk is worth or not ?

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ofc, top weapon ing if u can afford it, get it, weapon alone costs around 100mil, 50mil for +15 doesnt seem like much.


Once Valencia update comes in for good, we'll have new world boss, Red Dragon - he will drop Nouver Off-hand weapon/shield and along with Kzarka they will form a set (set bonus).

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ofc, top weapon ing if u can afford it, get it, weapon alone costs around 100mil, 50mil for +15 doesnt seem like much.


Once Valencia update comes in for good, we'll have new world boss, Red Dragon - he will drop Nouver Off-hand weapon/shield and along with Kzarka they will form a set (set bonus).

Yep but in like 2 month u think the price will decrease so hard ?

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Once Valencia update comes in for good, we'll have new world boss, Red Dragon - he will drop Nouver Off-hand weapon/shield and along with Kzarka they will form a set (set bonus).

Boss weapons don't offer a set effect. The 10% resistance is coming from the Nouver offhand alone, no need for a Kzarka weapon.

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Boss weapons don't offer a set effect. The 10% resistance is coming from the Nouver offhand alone, no need for a Kzarka weapon.

This was the impression I had.

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ofc, top weapon ing if u can afford it, get it, weapon alone costs around 100mil, 50mil for +15 doesnt seem like much.


Once Valencia update comes in for good, we'll have new world boss, Red Dragon - he will drop Nouver Off-hand weapon/shield and along with Kzarka they will form a set (set bonus).

Liverto + nouver doesn't give a set bonus ? didn't find any info on item description about this bonus

or is it because of the same rarity that is applied, both are gold

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Also keep in mind that there is no difference in ANY of the "Boss" Weapons AP, it comes down to the Bonus you want.

People will try and tell you that there are hidden stats that are different for AC or whatever, these people have no proof and are stuck in the "Typical MMO Theme park gear design mentality" that because it came out "after" it's better.

Liverto +3 Crit

Kzarka +3 Attack/Cast speed

It's arguable that attack speed is "better", but in the end they equalize out.

And before you people start flaming me, go look at the stats, rarity aside (and there is no proof that rarity for "boss gear" has any other effects other then their stated effects), opinions have no weight, hidden stats if they exist are hidden and NO ONE has any proof what they are.

So, in the end it comes down to which bonus you want, and cost if you buy it.

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Also keep in mind that there is no difference in ANY of the "Boss" Weapons AP, it comes down to the Bonus you want.

People will try and tell you that there are hidden stats that are different for AC or whatever, these people have no proof and are stuck in the "Typical MMO Theme park gear design mentality" that because it came out "after" it's better.

Liverto +3 Crit

Kzarka +3 Attack/Cast speed

It's arguable that attack speed is "better", but in the end they equalize out.

 

So, in the end it comes down to which bonus you want, and cost if you buy it.

so they are both good and are equal in the end nice info 

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Also keep in mind that there is no difference in ANY of the "Boss" Weapons AP, it comes down to the Bonus you want.

People will try and tell you that there are hidden stats that are different for AC or whatever, these people have no proof and are stuck in the "Typical MMO Theme park gear design mentality" that because it came out "after" it's better.

Liverto +3 Crit

Kzarka +3 Attack/Cast speed

It's arguable that attack speed is "better", but in the end they equalize out.

 

So, in the end it comes down to which bonus you want, and cost if you buy it.

Thanks you have been wondering about this, and well for me that means im going liverto then either can give me a total 5/5 attack speed/crit hit, but I will have to do less regemming of my other stuff to do it with liverto then (playing Tamer)

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Also keep in mind that there is no difference in ANY of the "Boss" Weapons AP, it comes down to the Bonus you want.

People will try and tell you that there are hidden stats that are different for AC or whatever, these people have no proof and are stuck in the "Typical MMO Theme park gear design mentality" that because it came out "after" it's better.

Liverto +3 Crit

Kzarka +3 Attack/Cast speed

It's arguable that attack speed is "better", but in the end they equalize out.

And before you people start flaming me, go look at the stats, rarity aside (and there is no proof that rarity for "boss gear" has any other effects other then their stated effects), opinions have no weight, hidden stats if they exist are hidden and NO ONE has any proof what they are.

So, in the end it comes down to which bonus you want, and cost if you buy it.

You have no proof either.

And Yellow > Blue.

Makes no sense that a blue item that you can get almost everywhere ( especially once they implement the black seals ) would equal to a weapon that you can only obtain from Kzarka.

If it wasn't better, it wouldn't be harder to get, and it wouldn't be more expensive. People wouldn't even bother buying it if this was the case.

 

No proof, but its logical. And koreans made tests.

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Lol very little about this game is logical. I would not bank on "it makes sense!" at all. What would make sense is to have the yellow item that's harder to get be visibly better. Why would you make it better and then hide it from players? 

Nothing about the gear in this game makes any sense. Logic will get you nowhere. 

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You have no proof either.

And Yellow > Blue.

Makes no sense that a blue item that you can get almost everywhere ( especially once they implement the black seals ) would equal to a weapon that you can only obtain from Kzarka.

If it wasn't better, it wouldn't be harder to get, and it wouldn't be more expensive. People wouldn't even bother buying it if this was the case.

 

No proof, but its logical. And koreans made tests.

By that logic a Ultimate Yuria should also be better than Liverto? since that is yellow as well and depending on your luck can be just as hard to get as a liverto, so please DO SHOW SOME PROOF, I yet to have seen any

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so they are both good and are equal in the end nice info 

what end?

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You have no proof either.

And Yellow > Blue.

Makes no sense that a blue item that you can get almost everywhere ( especially once they implement the black seals ) would equal to a weapon that you can only obtain from Kzarka.

If it wasn't better, it wouldn't be harder to get, and it wouldn't be more expensive. People wouldn't even bother buying it if this was the case.

 

No proof, but its logical. And koreans made tests.

I do have proof, I can see the things I'm talking about, hidden stats are hidden so talking about them means nothing until we have data on them.

you are stuck in the gear design from other games, ther is NO difference between blue yellow for boss drops, you are guessing there is because YOU want there to be, but with the absence of proof you must default to none.

The Koreans tests are so full of wholes (same as NA/EU/RU/JP) it's ridiculous, everyone is guessing, go find them, then translate them, they guess just as much as you do.  In the end you can only test what you know, not what you assume, this game has so much RNG it's amazing it holds together.

What it comes down to is you want to see colors and stats like you would if you where playing a typical theme park mmo, and you cannot get past it, so you say this "HAS" to mean this because that's what I'm used to, etc.

You can believe what you want, I'm obviously not going to convince you...

 

 

If you actually looked at all the gear by type and analyzed their stats the game is extremely horizontal as far as gearing is concerned, their are a few tiers yes, startish gear, standard gear, and boss gear.

However, once you enhance it you get huge gear discrepancies, comparing +x to +y, but once everything is +x then it's relatively horizontal again, even at +20 ALL the gear is much closer to equal even boss gear, then at +15.  The problem is that there is a huge difference between +15 and +20, so much that  it's game breaking.

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Only if you have nothing better to spend your money on.

tldr liverto with 5 ap gem = green yuria in terms of damage on human targets.

Kzarka also has same AP ads liverto...

I have a maxed ultimate yuria. I have a +13 kzarka sitting in my bank until i have the memory fragments and stones to finish it.

I wish I had bought a ogre ring and pri accessories instead. Would have given me a flat 10 AP increase vs. this weapon that will be marginally better.

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so they are both good and are equal in the end nice info 

not really, Kzarka give more ACC and Scale more AP when enchance after +15 than a liverto (+16/+20)

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not really, Kzarka give more ACC and Scale more AP when enchance after +15 than a liverto (+16/+20)

uhm... no. a +17 liverto has the same AP as a +17 kzarka. They scale exacly the same way up to +20

Also there have been accuracy tests done with a +17 liverto and +17 kzarka and there was a 0.5% difference in accuracy. This little difference can be just because of RNG.

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not really, Kzarka give more ACC and Scale more AP when enchance after +15 than a liverto (+16/+20)

You have ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that Kzarka gives more accuracy, that is a guess and a bad one at that. The AP scaling is also incorrect, please stop spreading missinformation

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Boss weapons don't offer a set effect. The 10% resistance is coming from the Nouver offhand alone, no need for a Kzarka weapon.

Set effect is accuracy from what was told

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By that logic a Ultimate Yuria should also be better than Liverto? since that is yellow as well and depending on your luck can be just as hard to get as a liverto, so please DO SHOW SOME PROOF, I yet to have seen any

Liverto is a rare item. Yuria can be obtained from npc and lots of mobs. Yuria is not a rare item no matter if you upgrade it to yellow.

If i can google, you can google too i believe. But i don't like those inven korean tests. Google translator is garbage. And i nowhere said they are right or 100% accurate. all i said other people say otherwise about kzarka vs liverto. Its up to you who you believe, but you won't find it out unless you test it out yourself.

There are also topics about liverto vs yuria on this forum. And some people showed some wierd test results. They said they dealt more dmg with yuria.

When i switched from +15 yuria to +13 kzarka on KR the difference was already huge.

So don't believe anything you read or see on the forum. Your best bet is to test out everything your self, then decide. I do the same.

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You see things, koreans see things. you say things, koreans say things.

Still no proof from either side, just words. Proof will not exist for this thing unless PA decides to reveal the stupid hidden stats. Because it doesn't matter what you write, no one will believe you unless you provide any visual proof.

 

Once i get a Kzarka i will see my self and compare them.

Set effect is accuracy from what was told

its false. The item nowhere says "set effect". It says Item Effect and Enhancement Effect

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Liverto is a rare item. Yuria can be obtained from npc and lots of mobs. Yuria is not a rare item no matter if you upgrade it to yellow.

If i can google, you can google too i believe. But i don't like those inven korean tests. Google translator is garbage. And i nowhere said they are right or 100% accurate. all i said other people say otherwise about kzarka vs liverto. Its up to you who you believe, but you won't find it out unless you test it out yourself.

There are also topics about liverto vs yuria on this forum. And some people showed some wierd test results. They said they dealt more dmg with yuria.

When i switched from +15 yuria to +13 kzarka on KR the difference was already huge.

So don't believe anything you read or see on the forum. Your best bet is to test out everything your self, then decide. I do the same.

You see things, koreans see things. you say things, koreans say things.

Still no proof from either side, just words. Proof will not exist for this thing unless PA decides to reveal the stupid hidden stats. Because it doesn't matter what you write, no one will believe you unless you provide any visual proof.

 

Once i get a Kzarka i will see my self and compare them.

its false. The item nowhere says "set effect". It says Item Effect and Enhancement Effect

You realize the reason people say they are the same is because you can actually tell by datamining it? I don't have the sheet saved but I am sure you will come upon it if you search around. Both have the same raw scaling values. They are exactly the same.

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Liverto is a rare item. Yuria can be obtained from npc and lots of mobs. Yuria is not a rare item no matter if you upgrade it to yellow.

If i can google, you can google too i believe. But i don't like those inven korean tests. Google translator is garbage. And i nowhere said they are right or 100% accurate. all i said other people say otherwise about kzarka vs liverto. Its up to you who you believe, but you won't find it out unless you test it out yourself.

There are also topics about liverto vs yuria on this forum. And some people showed some wierd test results. They said they dealt more dmg with yuria.

When i switched from +15 yuria to +13 kzarka on KR the difference was already huge.

So don't believe anything you read or see on the forum. Your best bet is to test out everything your self, then decide. I do the same.

You see things, koreans see things. you say things, koreans say things.

Still no proof from either side, just words. Proof will not exist for this thing unless PA decides to reveal the stupid hidden stats. Because it doesn't matter what you write, no one will believe you unless you provide any visual proof.

 

Once i get a Kzarka i will see my self and compare them.

its false. The item nowhere says "set effect". It says Item Effect and Enhancement Effect

Yellow Yuria is just as rare as a Liverto, probably more so, if you ever tried to make one you would know that.

The difference in the +15 Yuia and +13 kzarka is minimal (if attacking humans), the +3 attack speed should be noticeable if you had +0 on the Yuria build, but if you had +3 attack speed from another source (crystals) and used the Yuria you would see no real difference between the +15 Yuria and the +13 Kzarka, in fact the Yuria would probably perform slightly better, even at +15 Kzarka.

But people will see what they want to see.

Your missing the point on the proof, i'm saying that my information is based on the proof that we (everyone) can see and test, I don't use hidden stats as they are hidden and i don't see any real differences from the supposed hidden stats that I can say are from them.  My proof as you say is still better then assumptions and guesses that you are using as your rebuttal.

 

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lol guys yuo all so wrong im playing on kr server and can tell you tat Liverto have much more dmg on +16-20 and more aacurasi and kzarka have same stas like Livero but hidden atack boost more 25%

Yria a trash wepon for nubs on Korean an Ru servers sorry

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Only if you have nothing better to spend your money on.

tldr liverto with 5 ap gem = green yuria in terms of damage on human targets.

Kzarka also has same AP ads liverto...

I have a maxed ultimate yuria. I have a +13 kzarka sitting in my bank until i have the memory fragments and stones to finish it.

I wish I had bought a ogre ring and pri accessories instead. Would have given me a flat 10 AP increase vs. this weapon that will be marginally better.

Dammmn you have a kzarka. I'm jelly. What class are you? I pretty much have all the other BiS, liverto +15, ogre ring, tree belt, 2 duo marks, 2 pri witch's earrings. Well BiS, some default, some upgraded as you can see. Have 150 AP. BUT I WANT A KZARKA SO BADLY. And I want to drop it myself like I did with everything above (except for 4-5 marks, some or all of these of them in exchange for livertos that I sold, so I feel like I'm getting money to roughly even the cost out, to help me with getting 2 duos).

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Dammmn you have a kzarka. I'm jelly. What class are you? I pretty much have all the other BiS, liverto +15, ogre ring, tree belt, 2 duo marks, 2 pro witch's earrings. Well BiS, some default, some upgraded as you can see. Have 150 AP. BUT I WANT A KZARKA SO BADLY. And I want to drop it myself like I did with everything above (except for 4-5 marks or so to help with getting 2 duos).

Sorc. I've only done 8 kzarkas. I get drops everytime, but never bundle. I bought this off the market. I was going to buy a ogre ring, but none had been available. My finger got itchy when I saw it pop up. 

Ironically, the day after, 3 ogre ring were posted.

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