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People should lose crystals when PKed

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People at 0% exp currently lose completely nothing when PKed. Its my opinion that there should be atleast some penalty involved for being PKed. Considering you are not PKed for nothing and the PKer takes a big risk when he flags on you. Therefore I suggest having people that are PKed to lose crystals just like the PKer would when he dies. Whatcha think? Any other ideas for punishment to people PKed?

 

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sure as long as there is a drop % for weapon/armor if the PKer dies

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So.. promite greifing?
 

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sure as long as there is a drop % for weapon/armor if the PKer dies

I second that, as fisher and trader drop their fishies and trades.

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sure as long as there is a drop % for weapon/armor if the PKer dies

A PKer already loses enchantment levels when he dies at negative karma. Potentially losing a weapon/armor piece worth 100million+ seems like extreme punishment for a failed PK attempt.

So.. promite greifing?
 

Promote PvP, not griefing. This is a PvP game afterall??

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No a player killed by pkers should not lose crystals. 

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I second that, as fisher and trader drop their fishies and trades.

A 20k fish doesn't compare to a 100million weapon/armor piece. You are being unreasonable.

No a player killed by pkers should not lose crystals. 

Then what punishment for players being PKed do you suggest? The 1% exp loss is worth 5 minutes of grinding for the person being PKed. So that's absolutely nothing. And that exp loss is 0 when you are at 0% exp which many people capped at lvl 55 are.

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Promote PvP, not griefing. This is a PvP game afterall??

If you honestly think some people won't PK. just for the sake of ruining others gear. then you haven't been on the internet long enough.

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Dumbest thing I've read in a while.

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As long as I support death penalty, that would be too harsh. Death should be always punished, but not this way.

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Considering you are not PKed for nothing...

Stopped reading after that. Sorry man, I agree that in a perfect world, people would have respect and only PK people that were doing something to deserve it, and when there was a possibility for a fair and honorable fight, may the best hero win.

We don't live in that world. This is a world of d-bags.

People PK because they are bored, or to cause farmers and fishers pain and frustration. They do it because they are lonely, angry, jealous sociopaths. They do it because they are trolls.

I am sure there is lots of honest PK to defend territory and whatnot, but for every one of those you make things easier for, there are 10 griefer sociopaths that will thank you for making it easier for them to troll and harass innocent farmers.

No thanks.

The biggest problem with adding balanced PVP to a game is that you can NEVER count on the player base to be mature and respectful. EVER.

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If you honestly think some people won't PK. just for the sake of ruining others gear. then you haven't been on the internet long enough.

Well if you have a person doing that to you then I am sure you deserve it in some way.

Dumbest thing I've read in a while.

Explain yourself

As long as I support death penalty, that would be too harsh. Death should be always punished, but not this way.

What punishment would you suggest? The 1% exp loss currently in place is a joke.

Stopped reading after that. Sorry man, I agree that in a perfect world, people would have respect and only PK people that were doing something to deserve it, and when there was a possibility for a fair and honorable fight, may the best hero win.

We don't live in that world. This is a world of d-bags.

People PK because they are bored, or to cause farmers and fishers pain and frustration. They do it because they are lonely, angry, jealous sociopaths. They do it because they are trolls.

I am sure there is lots of honest PK to defend territory and whatnot, but for every one of those you make things easier for, there are 10 griefer sociopaths that will thank you for making it easier for them to troll and harass innocent farmers.

No thanks.

The biggest problem with adding balanced PVP to a game is that you can NEVER count on the player base to be mature and respectful. EVER.

Well then what if we increased the stakes on both sides? For the PKer and the person PKed. Even the jealous sociopath will think twice before killing a random fisherman for which he gains nothing if he is severely punished for it.

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Dumbest thing I've read in a while.

Sums it up.

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Well if you have a person doing that to you then I am sure you deserve it in some way.

See, that is your problem right there. It is either plain inexperience or naiveté if you honestly believe that griefers and trolls only bully, harass, and hurt people that deserve it.

That is simply NOT the case. In fact to a troll, the less a person deserves to be tormented, the more fun it is to torment them. They GET OFF on hurting the innocent. It is the whole way they gain a sense of importance in their sad and desperate lives.

Griefers specifically go out of their way to find innocent defenseless people minding their own business then intentionally set about ruining their day FOR NO REASON. That is the whole point.

That is why people call them "sociopaths."

 

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A PKer already loses enchantment levels when he dies at negative karma. Potentially losing a weapon/armor piece worth 100million+ seems like extreme punishment for a failed PK attempt.

Promote PvP, not griefing. This is a PvP game afterall??

why failed? if you fail not a problem you just flagged, if you are in negative karma from PKing hordes of people then you should lose weapon/armor if you die. That makes it fun. 

I am up for me even as a positive karma dropping but the chance for armor should be like 2% and 1% for weapon, but for PKer it should be 6% armor 3% weapon etc. 

This way you can see way more PVP and tears. 


So you lose crystals now and what? If I go and farm all the velia fishers I'll get more than your crystal.

Basically I want Lineage 2 PK system please

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Sums it up.

Explain yourself

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What punishment would you suggest? The 1% exp loss currently in place is a joke.

I'm used to 4% lose with possible lose lvl (Lineage 2). But I think in this game 1% is enough. So add possible lose lvl would be enough.

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why failed? if you fail not a problem you just flagged, if you are in negative karma from PKing hordes of people then you should lose weapon/armor if you die. That makes it fun. 

I am up for me even as a positive karma dropping but the chance for armor should be like 2% and 1% for weapon, but for PKer it should be 6% armor 3% weapon etc. 

This way you can see way more PVP and tears. 


So you lose crystals now and what? If I go and farm all the velia fishers I'll get more than your crystal.

Basically I want Lineage 2 PK system please

I am oke with that if the stakes are upped on both sides like you explain here. If the PKer has a chance to lose armor/weapon, then the victim aswell.

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Well if you have a person doing that to you then I am sure you deserve it in some way.

Well if logging into the game is a reason, sure..

I have at least one example where I can even mention a name.
Server is Jordine, channel Mediah J2 -> I am auto pathing from Trent to Calpheon, when I am suddenly, for no reason, PK'd by a guy called Superhuman, I have never seen the man in my life and I had certainly done nothing to offend him (unless he really doesn't like Sorcs autopathing)

Anyways, he kills me while I am alt+tabbed, with only the Chat as proof he did it.
Then of course I confront the guy and ask him why. his answer "I kill everyone on sight"


Now.. if I had also lost my crystals because of this, would that have been fair?

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See, that is your problem right there. It is either plain inexperience or naiveté if you honestly believe that griefers and trolls only bully, harass, and hurt people that deserve it.

That is simply NOT the case. In fact to a troll, the less a person deserves to be tormented, the more fun it is to torment them. They GET OFF on hurting the innocent. It is the whole way they gain a sense of importance in their sad and desperate lives.

Griefers specifically go out of their way to find innocent defenseless people minding their own business then intentionally set about ruining their day FOR NO REASON. That is the whole point.

That is why people call them "sociopaths."

 

So what do you think about the idea of more punishment for the PKer aswell then so griefers are punished but moral PKing is rewarding.

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No a player killed by pkers should not lose crystals. 

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If this went both ways then sure, if player killed a PK'er the PK'er drops crystals as well, not loose, but drop for the player to pick up, and vice versa.

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Well if logging into the game is a reason, sure..
I have at least one example where I can even mention a name.
Server is Jordine, channel Mediah J2 -> I am auto pathing from Trent to Calpheon, when I am suddenly, for no reason, PK'd by a guy called Superhuman, I have never seen the man in my life and I had certainly done nothing to offend him (unless he really doesn't like Sorcs autopathing)

Anyways, he kills me while I am alt+tabbed, with only the Chat as proof he did it.
Then of course I confront the guy and ask him why. his answer "I kill everyone on sight"


Now.. if I had also lost my crystals because of this, would that have been fair?

I've never had that happen to me yet(300 hours played) nor have I ever heard of this before. There is a very very small amount of negative karma people in the game that kill on sight. You were very unlucky for this to happen to you. It's not fair but its RNG really. One person drops 5 ogre rings, one person dies to that one in a million negative karma PKer. Shit happens.

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You can lose crystals when getting PKed. It's just a very low chance if you are at max karma.

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Then what punishment for players being PKed do you suggest? The 1% exp loss is worth 5 minutes of grinding for the person being PKed. So that's absolutely nothing. And that exp loss is 0 when you are at 0% exp which many people capped at lvl 55 are.

I guess you're not above level 55.

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